Tipping; Once Again

[Guest noy9000]

But I never view I'm being "tricked" by anybody. They are just being themselves and, if I think or expect them to act prudently with their money, I'm only tricking myself.

I've done all the neccessary pre-relationship talking with him, and he seem to have already understood. But it's over, and I don't really want to discuss about this now.

 

Relationships between a non-Thai, and a Thai can be very superficial; there may be some serious ones, but that's going to take alot more time of getting to know each other. It's best just to f*** around, until something right comes along the way - which normally don't happen from the bar.

 

 

 

[Gaybutton]

which normally don't happen from the bar.

 

I agree with that, but I also think it is a mistake to stereotype the bar boys to the degree that everyone simply assumes that all bar boys are dishonest, come from the farm, and the only thing they want from a relationship with a "farang" is money.

 

All bar boys are uneducated farmers who want nothing more than money from a "farang."

Boy "A" is a bar boy.

Boy "A" is an uneducated farmer who wants nothing more than money from a "farang."

 

I concede that is the case with the majority of bar boys, but I don't think that syllogism is valid. There is also still that minority out there. The trick is finding them.

[Guest noy9000]

I concede that is the case with the majority of bar boys, but I don't think that syllogism is valid. There is also still that minority out there. The trick is finding them.

I think that most relationship with any barboys (even if you find the minority) isn't likely to work, when both are in a relationship - there needs to be something in common. Most of us (I don't really mean myself, are too sophisticated & probably more intelligent (with rationale) than those from the bars (not all Thais).

 

In western nations, there're possiblities of adoption, or marriage but here - it's not quite possible. The only successful farang-thai boy relationship I know, runs a local karaoke bar together at Phaholyothin; there was something in common, and it's possible that love exist.

 

I'd asked a couple of foreigners (not farangs, Taiwanese & singaporean) who stays in Bangkok that I know of - about their BF. The thing in common is that there's no period of time of 'pursue' by either party, and the relationship is often established after sex. Although they have been together for a couple of years; I couldn't help but still feel that the attraction from the Thai (farmer boys or similar situation boys) is wealth or at least the promise of wealth in a few years.

[Guest noy9000]

Is the tipping to the waiters (if you take them on off) the same as the bar boys? I'd seen a guy 3 nights ago, and he is still on my mind.

 

I also wonder how frequent do customers off the waiters, I don't want to make a fool of myself - if it can't be done.

[Guest Kregger]

Is the tipping to the waiters (if you take them on off) the same as the bar boys? I'd seen a guy 3 nights ago, and he is still on my mind.

 

I also wonder how frequent do customers off the waiters, I don't want to make a fool of myself - if it can't be done.

Just flirt with the waiter. He will let you know whether he wants to be offed. Yes, you usually can, but not all waiters WANT to. Tipping is the same.

[Guest noy9000]

Thanks. I'll just walk towards him, and carry him towards my seat (sitting him pretty beside me).

 

I'm not sure why boys will want to work in gogo bars as waiters, particularly I believe that the wages should be the same as normal jobs. Is the tipping to the bars (not the boys) really that much, that at his end - it's worth burning the night oil?

 

Of course, they could be studying in the day (or not); most likely Ram. University, where attendence is not neccessary.

[Guest xiandarkthorne]

Posted by GB 'Mar 16 2007, 08:59 AM post='8239' -

This boy had no phone at all. The "farang" was willing to buy a phone for him, but wasn't willing to spend more than a few thousand baht for it. It wasn't good enough for the boy. The boy wouldn't even accept it unless the phone had a built-in camera. They're not happy with a phone unless it at least has the camera and MP3 capability.

 

The same thing happened to me in Hatyai. I told him what he could do with the rest of the afternoon and how he could do it, too.

 

...How many of you were in the middle of a sexual encounter and then the boy's phone rang? I'll bet there was a slight "time out" while the boy actually answered the phone to talk to some friend of his...

 

This also happened to me in Bangkok a few years ago. I waited for him 3 minutes, took out Baht20, handed it to him while he was still talking, picked up his clothes and pointed at the door.

 

I will forgive many things but not this. It happens all too often in my own country for me to put up with it on holiday - especially when I am paying top dollar for every minute the guy spends with me.

 

Why 3 minutes? It seemed like a reasonable amount of time for him to inform his friend that he was "busy".

 

Xi'an

[Gaybutton]

The same thing happened to me in Hatyai. I told him what he could do with the rest of the afternoon and how he could do it, too.

 

This also happened to me in Bangkok a few years ago. I waited for him 3 minutes, took out Baht20, handed it to him while he was still talking, picked up his clothes and pointed at the door.

 

In both cases you did exactly what, in my opinion, you should have done. My guess is the boy in Hat Yai knew why you were giving him the heave-ho, but I'd guess the boy with the phone in Bangkok left completely puzzled as to what he had done wrong. I'd guess it never even occurred to him that the person who took him "off" doesn't really appreciate it when right in the middle of a sexual encounter the boy answers the phone and holds a conversation. Have you ever had a boy actually initiate a phone conversation in the middle of a sexual encounter? My, how stimulating! I finally learned to ask boys to shut off their phone once we were wherever we were going.

 

Many of these boys have never been taught anything about telephone etiquette. Many "farang" have probably noticed that most of the time the phone conversation simply ends, without so much as a bye-bye. I'll bet I'm not the only "farang" who suddenly realized he is talking to himself because the person with whom he was talking simply hung up.

 

 

[Guest buaseng]

I'll bet I'm not the only "farang" who suddenly realized he is talking to himself because the person with whom he was talking simply hung up.

Perhaps he was trying to tell you that you have that affect on some people

[Gaybutton]

Perhaps he was trying to tell you that you have that affect on some people

 

Touch

[Guest noy9000]

How silly. I took off the waiter knowing that he is straight, and wouldn't do anything except masturbation - the reason is just because he has a devilish good looks (Hell, I love boys with single eyelids).

 

It was interesting, he was tickling all over when I kiss him over; french kissing was acceptable by him, but I vacuumed his tongue too hard. Blah Blah Blah...

 

Anyway, facts about waiters in gogo bars (in Silom):

 

Working hour: 2000 - 0100hrs

Monthly wages: 3,500THB (highly dependent on tips)

Off-fee: 600THB (quoted by mamasan, waiter)

Orientation: Straight (not ready to be having frequent gay activities, but still need the money occasionally somehow.. in my opinion, maybe extremely shy boys too)

Frequency offed: once per week (if he is popular), rarely twice.

 

From what I'd calculated myself: The waiter earns about 10,000THB per month (assuming that he gets 2,000thb whenever he gets 'offed' by someone else).

 

I still don't quite get it, are foreigners tipping the bars that much? Some bars have a huge crowd of waiters.