Open Question to Scott

[Guest comment]

Scott I think you're a very hot guy. Someone who I will attempt to hire this year. The following two questions are for clarification and in no way is meant to attack or be disrespectful. I would like a very simple to the point answer ... and regardless of your answer I will accept it and move on.

When I do approach you regarding your services and we discuss my interests you'll quote me your fee. Now lets assume you've informed me the fee is "X" and I say to you the following: Scott I feel that is a little high based on my interests, as we discussed, is this amount flexible at all?

A) Your reply to me is ________________?

And will you feel offended by my statement? Yes / No ONLY Please

I also want to add that most likely you fee will be acceptable to me and the above exchange won't even take place. But I'm trying to understand your mindset. Also, I ask this crafted question in open forum as I feel others might be getting the wrong impression from you and the narrow scope of this post might change their false understanding.

[TotallyOz]

While you are waiting for Scottt, I'll add my two cents which was not asked for but I just love sharing.

I feel that most escorts are open to negotiations. However, it all depends on their need at that moment. Most I know are willing to negotiate for longer stays and weekends. Also, if the destination is appealing to them, they will go down in fees a great deal. I have taken boys to Montreal for Black and Blue in years past and the rate was great. But, I am not demanding on them sexually or time wise. I am also very up front with them with my expectations and theirs.

I don’t ever ask an escort to change his rate for one hour or two. However, if they are someone I want to spend large amounts of time with, I will tell them: “hey, I am going to Brazil for a week. I’ll pay XXX for the week plus all your expenses. I’ll also make sure you have a good time.” I don’t consider this a negotiation but rather an offer. If they come back and say, I’d love to go but will you pay XXX, I normally will say that is not something I can afford.

When I ran an escort agency in years gone by, our rates were never negotiable. They were set in stone. At least they were set in stone up to the overnight rate. Anything beyond that was discussed.

I think each escort has a set rate for an hour, two, etc. I think it is changeable depending on the circumstances.

I hired Scott about a month ago. I asked him his rate and paid what he requested. I did not offer less. If it were not something I could afford, I would have simply said no. I really enjoyed my time with him and I hope to see him again in the future. However, I am not much of a one-hour guy and as long as he is getting the big bucks, he should continue to go for it. At this point in time, I don’t see a trip to Thailand as a good business move for him at the rate I pay.

I once had a escort I had hired on many occassion who wanted to go to Europe with me. I was not interested in an escort for the trip so I told him I would happily pay his expenses and his hourly rate for each time we had sex. He was thrilled and went with me. I can not tell you what a bad move this was for me. I should have said I'd pay the hour rate for each time I wanted sex not everytime he woke me up to play. I still had a great time but was too tired at the end of the night to really enjoy the day and too tired at the end of our nooner to enjoy the night. I also got inducted into the mile high club on that trip and enjoyed that the most.

[Guest ScottAdler]

Hey comment,

Thanks for the attempt at opening the lines of communication and allowing a chance for clarification. I know you asked for simple answers but they're really not possible because of a multitude of confounding variables. I will do my best to keep the answers brief and to the point.

>When I do approach you regarding your services and we discuss

>my interests you'll quote me your fee. Now lets assume you've

>informed me the fee is "X" and I say to you the

>following: Scott I feel that is a little high based on my

>interests, as we discussed, is this amount flexible at all?

>A) Your reply to me is ________________?

Sorry, I feel the rate that I've set for my time is fair but I'll let you know if I change my mind.

> And will you feel offended by my statement? Yes / No ONLY

>Please

This is CERTAINLY not a yes/no answer I think the problem for a change in these forums is word choice and one person reading into meaning differently than the intended context.

I'll be annoyed and slightly upset, depending on the number I might be insulted, and offended might be a general term to describe all the above. Will I go into my bathroom shut the door and sob? Probably not.

I would probably rather you simply answer, "Sorry, the rate is out of my price range at this time."

That way my answer can be, "No problem, have good one and good luck!"

.... OR ....

I could reply, "Hmmm, I could use the money regardless at this time -- are you willing to make some accomodations time wise? (or something of the like"

The point is that by you simply saying the price is out of your range it gives me more possible options to respond gracefully to you. I can decide to lower my rate for you or simply wish you the best in hopes you change your mind when you realize I'm not looking to bargain.

I'd say about 80% of the time the aforementioned exchange occurs the client comes back and says that he's decided to splurge and it works out. Thus I have this image that 80% of the time, clients are trying to get a better price before they make their decision. As a price comparison shopper I can respect that but it's my opinion that this area of business is an exception to that rule.

What you'll really love is my upcoming response to Oz

[Guest ScottAdler]

>I feel that most escorts are open to negotiations. However,

>it all depends on their need at that moment. Most I know are

>willing to negotiate for longer stays and weekends. Also, if

>the destination is appealing to them, they will go down in

>fees a great deal. I have taken boys to Montreal for Black

>and Blue in years past and the rate was great. But, I am not

>demanding on them sexually or time wise. I am also very up

>front with them with my expectations and theirs.

Perfect response and right on point. Since we keep going back to the law everything Oz wrote is a mitigating circumstance which makes negotiations perfect If a client is working with me on airfare and the destination is desireable I'm happy to work with them on a price. Add to that someone who isn't sexually demanding and really does want companionship.

>I don’t ever ask an escort to change his rate for one hour or

>two. However, if they are someone I want to spend large

>amounts of time with, I will tell them: “hey, I am going to

>Brazil for a week. I’ll pay XXX for the week plus all your

>expenses. I’ll also make sure you have a good time.” I don’t

>consider this a negotiation but rather an offer. If they come

>back and say, I’d love to go but will you pay XXX, I normally

>will say that is not something I can afford.

If you open with an offer I almost think that's the most efficient in situations like that. Weekend, week rates are almost never quoted on reviews sites or even escort pages because there are so many of the mitigating circumstances mentioned above. You haven't negated an escort's quoted rate you've given them the option to accept or tell you what they'd prefer. I think what annoys me is when dealing with hourly a rate is quoted then a "counteroffer" is given for an HOUR. Longer periods sure, there's a reason to expect a price break but with hourly -- come on

>When I ran an escort agency in years gone by, our rates were

>never negotiable. They were set in stone. At least they were

>set in stone up to the overnight rate. Anything beyond that

>was discussed.

Bingo

>I hired Scott about a month ago. I asked him his rate and

>paid what he requested. I did not offer less. If it were not

>something I could afford, I would have simply said no. I

>really enjoyed my time with him and I hope to see him again in

>the future. However, I am not much of a one-hour guy and as

>long as he is getting the big bucks, he should continue to go

>for it. At this point in time, I don’t see a trip to Thailand

>as a good business move for him at the rate I pay.

Well depends when we're going and how many little boys I get to have at my disposal to carry my bags (Inside Joke ... back off vultures)

>I once had a escort I had hired on many occassion who wanted

>to go to Europe with me. I was not interested in an escort

>for the trip so I told him I would happily pay his expenses

>and his hourly rate for each time we had sex. He was thrilled

>and went with me. I can not tell you what a bad move this was

>for me. I should have said I'd pay the hour rate for each

>time I wanted sex not everytime he woke me up to play. I

>still had a great time but was too tired at the end of the

>night to really enjoy the day and too tired at the end of our

>nooner to enjoy the night. I also got inducted into the

>mile high club on that trip and enjoyed that the most.

You poor thing ... my heart bleeds for you But seriously, I genuinely hope this thread by comment gives people a LITTLE more perspective. My motto has always been context and making things black and white than I'm morally opposed to negotiations are simply incorrect.

[Guest twinklover]

"But seriously, I genuinely hope this thread by comment gives people a LITTLE more perspective."

It certainly does give me more perspective. Your postion, as stated in this thread thus far, is understandable and reasonable. I get it. I also get what you probably mean by "demeaning". Some asshole bottomfishing client emals or speaks to you and proposes fees and activities as if you were a street hustler. I agree that's classless and insulting to you. But from the feedback on this thread and others, you also should have a perspective on where many clients are coming from, including many of the "gentleman clients" who frequent this site.

[Guest RR]

Very well put everyone. And I can say from personal experience Scott is very easy to speak with. Rates can be a hard subject sometimes. We are not all car salesemen. To negotiate down the price on an hour session is just embarrassing! I have never questioned an hour rate.

Scott's rates are high, but you get what you pay for I am told and Scott is tob shelf. Just read all of his reviews and spend a few minutes on the phone with him and you will know that for sure. He is coming to see me in March. I am so looking forward to it.

I have been desiring to see him for almost a year and just never got my schedule cleared. I am eagerly waiting with bells on! lol

RussianRob

[TampaYankee]

> I also get what you probably mean by

>"demeaning". Some asshole bottomfishing client emals

>or speaks to you and proposes fees and activities as if you

>were a street hustler. I agree that's classless and insulting

>to you.

I disagree and I think most thoughtful individuals would unless they want to play the victim.

Based on your premise: Some asshole bottom fishing client emals or speaks to you...

That 'some asshole bottom fishing client' is classless is a tautology. One equals one. No math required.

I do not get insulted by street trash or anyone else I do not respect, no matter what they say. To be insulted to is imbue weight to their remarks. I limit that to people I respect or to people I extend the presumption of respect. That would not be 'some asshole bottom fishing client'. His remarks amount to no more than trash blowing in the wind. If that is grounds for feeling insulted then it's going to be a long insulting life.

[Guest ScottAdler]

>> I also get what you probably mean by

>>"demeaning". Some asshole bottomfishing client

>>emals or speaks to you and proposes fees and activities as if

>>you were a street hustler. I agree that's classless and

>>insulting to you.

>

>I disagree and I think most thoughtful individuals would

>unless they want to play the victim.

>

>Based on your premise: Some asshole bottom fishing client

>emals or speaks to you...

Perhaps it should be clarified that I didn't coin the phrase " asshole bottom fishing client" as you keep using it in the "you" context as if I said it. People like to blow things out of proportion here ...

>I do not get insulted by street trash or anyone else I do not

>respect, no matter what they say. To be insulted to is imbue

>weight to their remarks. I limit that to people I respect or

>to people I extend the presumption of respect.

This is one premise I can’t keep stressing enough. You are the client, I am the escort. It is NOT relevant how the client would feel because they don’t experience these exchanges the same way. I try to approach EVERY legitimate inquiry with the utmost respect. The reason I’m feeling insulted is just what you said above – I do into the “transaction” respecting the person and then they disrespect me. Yes I can brush it off easily but initially it’s just insulting.

[TampaYankee]

>Perhaps it should be clarified that I didn't coin the phrase

>" asshole bottom fishing client" as you keep using

>it in the "you" context as if I said it. People

>like to blow things out of proportion here ...

>

Maybe so... like my response.

Scott, I didn't refer to you or imply with respect to you at all. I was responding to twinklover's posted comment. If he was using your earlier comments or views without quotes, I don't know. I assume not. I'm not sure I read all earlier posts.

My focus is: Who should be taken seriously as 'insulting'. No more, no less.

FWIW

[Guest ScottAdler]

>Scott, I didn't refer to you or imply with respect to you at

>all. I was responding to twinklover's posted comment. If he

>was using your earlier comments or views without quotes, I

>don't know. I assume not. I'm not sure I read all earlier

>posts.

"Based on your premise: Some asshole bottom fishing client emals or speaks to you..."

Again back to my point. You addressed Twinklover's comment but you phrased it to him as if he were an escort. He's not an escort thus calling it "his" premise when he's referring to mine and saying a client emails "him" when you're doing a hypothetical with my premise.

Perhaps if you're going to respond to something like this you should read all other posts in the subthread so as not to ..... insult

>My focus is: Who should be taken seriously as 'insulting'. No

>more, no less.

I agree. Taken seriously and actually insulting are different. Someone can insult me and I still don't take them seriously ... Riptide is a perfect example

[TampaYankee]

Try as you may, my comment was neither directed to you nor about you. I'm sorry if that offends but that isn't intended either.