Guest comment Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 > >First of all, I accept your apology. Thank you. > Now I would like to >address some of your other comments. In choosing to label the >deceased as a predator, I relied on the information in >riptide's link. Subsequently I have read an article about the >conviction in a local newspaper. It does appear that he was >not required to register as a sex offender as the case was >pled down. But the fact is that he is on tape having sex with >a fifteen year old. This Corrigan kid was also underage when >he had sex and did a film for the deceased. At the very least, >the deceased had a very bad ability to detect underage guys, >but given his profession, I really doubt it. The predator >label seems fine to me. I fully agree that Bryan wrongly was involved both personally and professionally with minors. However, in both cases it is well documented that these boys lied to him about their age. One, Brent, even produced a fake ID. I don't feel this makes Bryan a predator as he didn't seek these two kids out according to the documents I've read. I feel we both can agree that Bryan wasn't in line to win any community service awards. >I am opposed to barebacking. Recently a friend found out that >he had 13 T-cells and PCP, I have no clue what this means but from your tone it doesn't sound good. I wish your friend better health. >Certainly older guys can choose for >themselves, but for a young guy to be offered money to >bareback on film is the height of social irresponsibility and >Kocis was that irresponsible, in my opinion. Fair enough. As I mentioned above he wasn't going to receive any awards for his community service. But again these young guys (sans Brent) were of legal age to make consensual decisions. I think your comments in the above paragraph open another avenue of discussion. That being age of consent versus one having the maturity and knowledge to consent. I think you'll find we're probably very close to the same mindset on that issue. > >Finally, riptide says he donated another $1000 to the existing >$2000 reward forthe capture of Kocis' killer. Funny, the >reward today is still $2000. (See Pennsylvania Crime >Stoppers) Please don't confuse some of my differences with you as support for riptide. I too feel he seems a bit over the top about Bryan's tragic death. I also find it as interesting as you do that he continues to donate money yet the reward fund remains the same.
Members Lucky Posted February 2, 2007 Members Posted February 2, 2007 Okay. I will withdraw my description of him as a predator. It is a moot point anyway.
Guest Barry Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 Are you capable of discussion, debate or even argument without littering your posts with insults? If you are, show us. If not, I'm afraid you've wandered into the wrong establishment.
Members Lucky Posted February 2, 2007 Members Posted February 2, 2007 Please note that Barry is speaking in response to post #49, not me!
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 I think the word "duh" is in order muffin
Members TampaYankee Posted February 2, 2007 Members Posted February 2, 2007 Tide, You are way over your quotient for vitriol. It only distracts from your arguments and is of no interest except possibly for the principals. Please reign it in. Thanks. TY
TotallyOz Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 >IF I knew that Oz owned a video production company where >barely legal guys were being encouraged to bareback, then, >yes, I would stop posting here. But I don't think that is the >fact as I have never seen anything to support it. I have always found it interesting that people pick and choose where they draw the line. When this site was started, there was a lot of controversy that I made money from a bareback website. Most of it was from evil doers on the other site. What I always found amusing is that for years, the hooboy site made the majority of its money from affiliates that have bareback sales on their site. What that told me was it is OK to link to sites that sell bareback videos and movies but not OK to own a site that was bareback related. It said that having big money being made from AEBN and TLA video stores was OK even if the top 10 movies downloaded were bareback but it was not OK to own a site that was bareback related. I had never quite understood the full argument. I believe any 2 consenting adults should be able to have any kind of sexy they want. I believe that any one person should be able to make all the decisions based on his body. I also think it is best to have an in depth conversation with sexual partners about their practices and if they bareback, I want to know. I think intelligent decisions are based on more knowledge. I have never swayed from this position. I have always believed that men who hookup with other men who are open about practicing bareback sex are making more intelligent decisions than those who hook up from other online sites that don't discuss it. Intelligent decisions are based in knowledge. If an escort barebacks with clients, I think the client needs to know this and make an informed decision whether or not they want to hire the guy. I don’t own a bareback video company. If I did, I would make millions. I guarantee you. I have never had the time or the energy to do this. I normally spend the majority of my time where I enjoy it. I love hookers. I love them in every shape and form. I love pimps and gogo boys and the like. Since I enjoy these things I spend my time on them much more than I do other things that I just make money from. Luckily, I am able to enjoy life and have the ability to do this. If I only spent time in the area where I made the most money, you would never see me here. You would most likely not see me on a gay website at all. I know many of you hate the smell of tuna, so I won't even go into great details. Truthfully, and please don’t spread this around; I am not a porn person. I don’t like it and never have. It has been many years since I watched a porn flick (at least 15). It is just not my thing. But, for those that love it, I don’t think I have a right to say you are not allowed to watch it.
Guest comment Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 Totally Oz, I agree with 99.8% of your comments above. The only area of concern for me is the "consenting adults." Consenting adults is just a legal term not a benchmark to determine if guys above or below said age have the emotional maturity to make a knowledgeable decision about barebacking. I'm sure we would find many on both sides of the "legal adult line" don't possess appropriate insight regarding consequences while others also on both sides of the line will. But I do acknowledge "consenting adults" is our only form of measurement and hopefully more than less will make the correct choices related to their lives. PS Tell us the name of the Tuna site, I would like to check it out :-)
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 >Consenting adults is just a legal term not a benchmark to >determine if guys above or below said age have the emotional >maturity to make a knowledgeable decision about barebacking. >I'm sure we would find many on both sides of the "legal >adult line" don't possess appropriate insight regarding >consequences while others also on both sides of the line >will. It's funny how I was just having this conversation about underage sex the other night in conjunction with Harry Potter on stage naked in England. If Kocis had sex in England with the aforementioned boy half of the controversy surrounding him wouldn't be an issue. I'm not advocating sex with 16 year olds (because the morality police will come after me) but it's strange how a country's imposed standards of morality becomes law and thus people get judged a pedophile in one country for something completely legal in another. Emotional Maturity is a very big issue. Kids growing up to soon and such. Does knowledge and function really speak to cognition? Is it even possible to come up with a universal test to keep everyone satisfied?
Members Lucky Posted February 3, 2007 Members Posted February 3, 2007 Well, good for you, Oz. Of course adult people should have the right to make decisions about their own behavior, and other people should have the right to profit from their stupidity. It's these profiteers who have drawn a line...all the way to the bank. So while the barebackers will end up counting their T-cells, the bareback promoters will end up counting their money, and everyone will live happily ever after, won't they? Just like cocaine dealers who are just giving people what they want...and they are...people that profit from human weakness only have to draw the line where their own conscience starts. As for me, the only line I draw is that I don't bareback. What other people do is obviously out of my control. As for my statement that you quote, yes, I would not want to associate with you if you were the owner of Cobra Video. That's my choice. You obviousy don't like porn, so you don't watch it. That doesn't make you any better or worse than anyone who does. And who is saying that people can't watch porn? Not me. But I don't have to associate with the Kocises of the world if I don't want to, and I don't. Except here, of course, where every kind of weirdo, including me, gets his say. In the end, we all go on with our lives and get a snicker out of the way someone responded to someone else. I do think that you are an upright guy, I just don't pat you on the back the same way that you do over the choices that you have made. Thanks, though, for giving me the forum to speak my piece. That I like!
Guest twinklover Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 >If Kocis had sex in England with the aforementioned boy half >of the controversy surrounding him wouldn't be an issue. Very true. I'm not advocating sex with 16 year olds either or approving of Mr. Kocis in any way. A legalist would argue that all of this irrelevant. He broke the applicable law. Here again we confront the distinction between law and morality, malum prohibitum versus malum in se. > Is it even possible to come up with a universal >test to keep everyone satisfied? The current legal standards are all arbitrary. Different societies seem to draw a line based solely on age. Enhancements may apply based on the kind of conduct and bad acts, such as the use of force. If I had to write the law, I'm not sure what I would do. But the presence or absence of actual meaningful consent would be the key factor to me. That would be a question of fact in each case. At some age any given person may not be able to consent meaningfully. How many of us have had sex while we were underage? I had a lot of it. And I was able to meaningfully consent, I think, since at least age 12. I'm not advocating this for everyone or as a universal standard. I'm simply reciting my experience as a sexually active minor.
TotallyOz Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 Thanks for your post. I was not tearing apart your earlier post at all. At least that was not my intent. I respect your views on the matter very much. My statement was more along the lines of there is a line for everyone. To each his own and everyone has to decide where that line is.
TotallyOz Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 And I was able to meaningfully >consent, I think, since at least age 12. I'm not advocating >this for everyone or as a universal standard. I'm simply >reciting my experience as a sexually active minor. Damm, you were a late bloomer. I beat you by a few years. Of course I was 6 feet tall by the time I was 12.
Guest Riptide Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 Thanks, though, for giving me the forum to speak >my piece. That I like! Of course you like it Lucky, because this forum allows you to publicly express yourself as an "unknowledgeable" (your words, not mine) hypocrite (my word) poster, claiming that the person of whom you have personally decried as, and discredited here as being a deviant prediator pedofile and child molesting pornographer, as reason for you to make yourself a voice of all that is good against all of which you see to be as bad. As a trial attorney, which you claim to be, (snort) I'm utterly befuddeled that you would make such irresponsible remarks about a "history of another person" that of which you publicly acknowledge having no prior knowledge of before you read a linked page to a newspaper reporters initial report which offered a one side view to a multiple sided reality, when additional links and information were provided you, which you ignored. Had you read more, Lucky, you would have found facts that even a public defender, which you're words reflect you to being at best, would have found worthy of second thought or, worth simply ommiting to his. ....You must be a state paid public defender, with really no ability to consider case load to case importance of your client, if you are indeed, an attorney at all.......There really is nothing else that can explain your inability to gather purtinient facts prior to being a judge of those facts that would excuse yourself from being, by your peers disbarred for your behavior alone in this case. As for me not saying something good about Ben or Scott within this thread or post......... I'll just have to sit on that comment with all my might, so that I'm once not viewed as incapable of reason or fairness....But I am fucking choking my gut out just wondering why they become your defense to a thread which they have never been a part of and you are the loser.....
Members Lucky Posted February 3, 2007 Members Posted February 3, 2007 As of 9 pm tonight, PDT: PENNSYLVANIA CRIME STOPPERS IS OFFERING A CASH REWARD OF UP TO $2,000.00 THAT LEADS TO AN ARREST IN THIS ARSON/HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION.
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 >And I was able to meaningfully >consent, I think, since at least age 12. I'm not advocating >this for everyone or as a universal standard. I'm simply >reciting my experience as a sexually active minor. Wow I finally found something we have in common Got my first blowjob when I was 12 when I beat my friend at a game of Puzzle Fighter Alpha on Playstation.
Guest Riptide Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 >As of 9 pm tonight, PDT: >PENNSYLVANIA CRIME STOPPERS IS OFFERING A CASH REWARD OF UP TO >$2,000.00 THAT LEADS TO AN ARREST IN THIS ARSON/HOMICIDE >INVESTIGATION. It IS, truly so difficult here, to be a gentlemen, when you have people like Lucky here, who have nothing else in life to live for but to try and discredit another through the means he has no knowledge to do. If I didn't know for sure that what I want to say to lucky right now wouldn't get me thrown off this board, I would say exactly that. But then I'd be considered virotral? SO let me offer this. If Lucky could read, and had a life beyond that, he would know EXACTLY, through my post of reward where the money is going and whom to contact for that. Lucky being the...*&*%*(*&*&& ass989hole that he is....assumes to make himself more than whom he will ever be, again, the spokesperson of importance and the deliverance of hate.....I'm fucking laughing myself all the way to bed right now.... Niters.......
Members TampaYankee Posted February 3, 2007 Members Posted February 3, 2007 >It IS, truly so difficult here, to be a gentlemen... Au contraire monsieur. It is only necessary to avoid the bait and refrain from tossing turds at others. Self-discipline they call it. And if the rare occasion calls for it, the best rebuke is the sharp subtle slice delivered in even-tempered manner that garners the notice of the recipient only after the parties have separated and the recipient feels the warm flow of crimson dripping down his underbelly, staining his shirt. All very gentlemanly and lethal if done right. It's all in the subtlety and sparing use. That is not an invitation to take another run at anyone. You seem to have exercised your response reflex plenty for now. When an exchange of posts between two individuals become fixated on the indviduals themselves in place of a wider topic, it seems more effective and liberating, not to mention good taste, to take the thrust and parry to email or private messages where truly frank exchanges may be undertaken.
Guest euroskater21 Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 Well said Tampa Yankee. I checked this link for updates on that horrific murder and instead am viewing tedious mud slinging between posters. I second the proposal for the same mud slingers to take their private party offline as I for one have no interest in their respective rants. Enough to make one return to THAT other board.:+
Guest Riptide Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 http://www.timesleader.com:80/mld/timeslea...ws/16614058.htm
Members marcanthony Posted February 3, 2007 Members Posted February 3, 2007 Isn't that a picture of the Norfolk escort Harlow? Here are his pics from MER profile. http://www.maleescortreview.com/images/esc...4_7181_orig.jpg http://www.maleescortreview.com/images/esc...4_7177_orig.jpg And here's the pic listed in the "wanted" article: http://www.timesleader.com/images/timeslea...75892696960.gif
Guest Riptide Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 >Isn't that a picture of the Norfolk escort Harlow? WOW! marcanthony I think you are dead on with this. If it's not Harlow, I sure wouldn't want to BE Harlow right now. And here is the link to his profile over at menforrentnow. Notice the Norfolk, Va location. http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/search.asp?c...YoungHottienVa1 And from Jason Curious (sorry no direct link avail) Have You Seen This Stud? Police are searching for and hoping to question "new model" Drake of Cobra Video owner Bryan Kocis's who he was reportedly scheduled to meet with on the evening of his murder. One constant reader/sleuth managed to dig up this online escort profile of someone who looks like he could be the stud they're looking for: http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/search.asp?c...YoungHottienVa1 Meanwhile, Brent Corrigan issued the following statement this afternoon urging fans to "pay respects" to Kocis: Dear Cobra Video and Brent Corrigan Fans, In light of the tragic events that took place last week and due to the extreme sensitivity and its nature, I have been advised by my attorneys and law enforcement officials in charge of the investigation not to make public comments or statements regarding this very sad and senseless crime. When I am again able, I will address the issues surrounding this terrible tragedy. Contrary to what others may have written, we had finalized a settlement with Cobra Video and Bryan regarding the civil lawsuit. The settlement documents were signed and all parties were looking forward to moving on to a mutually beneficial arrangement. Please pay your respects to Bryan Kocis, his family and friends. It is time to show them all the love and support you have shown me. With all my love, respect and admiration, Brent Corrigan And, of course, Michael Lucas had to weigh in on the situation this afternoon as well. He penned the following open letter to the industry labeling Corrigan as "a little manipulator" and "a nightmare" to the gay porn world: Dear Friends and Family, Since I do not really read the gossip columns or blogs, I know I'm always late on industry news and I know this isn't a good strategy in our world. However, there is something of importance that I want to point out. Yesterday, I read about the murder of Cobra Video's owner. To say the least, I am very disturbed about this crime. Not only because I am a porn producer and I also have to deal with people that are unstable and potentially dangerous, but that Brent Corrigan is now being promoted. When I was filming La Dolce Vita, I was contacted by Brent through MySpace. He told me he was a fan and asked if he could work for me in my newest production. I answered that we could use him. The next day I got a nasty, demanding email which I thought was written by his agent or a friend, yet it was signed by Brent. I decided he wasn't worth the hassle. So, thanks to that correspondence, he never made it into my film. Honestly, thank God for that email. I discovered through the article I read, he was underage when working for Cobra, forged his documents, and then involved the FBI -which we can imagine how unpleasant that was. But what is really upsetting, and really disgusting, is that this little, irresponsible liar was filmed for Falcon Studio's production of the year. And got the box cover -and all the ads. Now, if Falcon's ex-director, Chris Steele was as blind as I was to this kid's history, that's one thing. But if he did it with the knowledge of his past crimes, and still decided to make him a major porn performer, then this is a real shame for our industry. Are there any other directors that are planning on using this scumbag in upcoming productions? If so, then I want to say you are really doing yourself and your studio an injustice. You are sending a terrible message to other little opportunist assholes: "Go ahead! Forge your documents and we'll make you famous. Even though you put another company through FBI hell, we'll still endorse you." Brent Corrigan's are the industry's nightmare, and if there is any time to show unity, it is now. With the government, mainstream America and religious zealots trying to show us as ruthless pedophiles, people who violate the law, and people who use kids in porn, we are feeding into their stereotypes by doing things just like this. I care about the perception of the industry, I care about the future of my company, and I care about the way our community is represented in mainstream media. Please do not use this little manipulator and do not print his promotions. No matter how "adorable" you and your customers will find him. Sincerely, Michael Lucas posted by Jason Sechrest at 12:35 AM 2 comments >Here are his pics from MER profile. > >http://www.maleescortreview.com/images/esc...4_7181_orig.jpg > >http://www.maleescortreview.com/images/esc...4_7177_orig.jpg > >And here's the pic listed in the "wanted" article: > >http://www.timesleader.com/images/timeslea...75892696960.gif
Members KYTOP Posted February 3, 2007 Members Posted February 3, 2007 >When an exchange of posts between two individuals become >fixated on the indviduals themselves in place of a wider >topic, it seems more effective and liberating, not to mention >good taste, to take the thrust and parry to email or private >messages where truly frank exchanges may be undertaken. I agree with this statement, though hard with someone you really don't actually know except by an onlinel personally. I have started an e-mail exchange with Scott Adler over a week ago to try to bury the hatchet since many think we hate each other. Our MC comments had become tit for tat's. We haven't called in the UN... YET!
Guest twinklover Posted February 4, 2007 Posted February 4, 2007 >Isn't that a picture of the Norfolk escort Harlow? I noticed it right away too, Marc. That has to be "Harlow". I've followed this escort for years now. I've never quite believed him or his agency. What an amazing twist and turn to this story? Who would think Harlow's picture would be released as a person investigators are interested in? As to Michael Lucas, I have to laugh. His attacks over the years make the "meangirls" look like church ladies. I will go to the Gay Avn show in SF if Lucas shows up just to see him "go at it" with his enemies in the crowd. Nasty, nasty boys.
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 4, 2007 Posted February 4, 2007 >As to Michael Lucas, I have to laugh. His attacks over the >years make the "meangirls" look like church ladies. >I will go to the Gay Avn show in SF if Lucas shows up just to >see him "go at it" with his enemies in the crowd. >Nasty, nasty boys. Either you love him or you hate him. Lesson learned quickly after spending a day shooting the cover of Next(NYC) with him. One thing I will always say for Michael is that he knows how to conduct himself (to a degree) in public. Short of going at it for control with drag queen M.C.'s Michael won't make a public spectacle of himself by getting into fights with those that don't like him. If you saw the GayVN's last year the biggest joke was the impending war betwen him and ChiChi. They didn't snap but the tension thick in the air. Best moment was when Chi Chi had to award him for the best film. Pure Comedy.
