Guest StuCotts Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 I have no knowledge at all about this matter. Reading the pertinent posts about it reminds me of the experience of watching an emotional movie in Mandarin with subtitles in Korean ( don't ask ). I'm clueless about what's going on, but can concentrate on marveling at the dudgeon.
Guest Riptide Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 http://www.thetimes-tribune.com:80/site/ne...id=416046&rfi=6
Members marcanthony Posted January 31, 2007 Members Posted January 31, 2007 and I'm hoping someone out >there is laughing hysterically Yes.... you got me going, TL. thanks for starting off my day with a great laugh! When you gonna be in montreal?
Guest twinklover Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 "Mr. Yates [civil atty for Brett and Grant, his much older "bf"] said he understands police want to question his clients about the man said to have been scheduled to model for Mr. Kocis, a pornography producer, the day he was killed." Hmmm. A prospective model? Did the modeling session get out of hand? The murder itself doesn't seem planned. 28 stab wounds is messy and seems like a rage killing. Marc, glad you liked my little throwback to some funny old times. :-) I hope to be in Montreal in late March or late April. I'm thinking of meeting up there with TT again and also using the tendermoments agency. I had a very good time last trip. Hope to see you soon.
Guest Riptide Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >"Mr. Yates [civil atty for Brett and Grant, his much >older "bf"] said he understands police want to >question his clients about the man said to have been scheduled >to model for Mr. Kocis, a pornography producer, the day he was >killed." It's interesting that Brett and Grant would be aware of the business scheduling of models for Cobra video and Kocis when for the past 2 years they have been practicing seek and destroy missions upon each other. Not impossible, just interesting. >The murder itself doesn't seem planned. 28 stab wounds is >messy and seems like a rage killing. Let's not forget the slashed throat either, prior to the cremation. I agree TL, this is definitely a rage killing, but it also screams of a crime of passion. I suspect this will get wrapped up with an arrest relatively soon. How many people out there could really harbor this much anger and rage toward someone to commit such a horrific act upon that person? The rage and passion of this killing has either been staged to throw the authorities off onto a wrong track from the real killer(s), or it will be the key to solving the crime. I suspect that the killer(s) probably enjoyed slaughtering Kocis, based on the autopsy results and with that, was/were probably very sloppy in covering his/their tracks sufficiently to avoid evidentiary detection and further investigation. It all has the flavor of a Lizze Borden breakdown moment for me. Lizzie Borden took an axe And gave her mother forty whacks. And when she saw what she had done, She gave her father forty-one. Let's hope that before the accused faces his/their final judgement from his/their jury of peers, they have been forced to submit to an "on air" "live" interview with Nancy Grace, which has historically proven to save the taxpayers alot of money in incarcination and death penalty costs, since they would most likely take their own lives after such yet another, Lizzie Borden moment by the Queen herself.... Over at www.jasoncurious.com there are some very interesting comments from readers and from a past model of Cobra talking all about this on Jason's blog. Albeit all speculation, it's interesting reading nonetheless. You need to read the "comments sction" of Jason's posts to find them. There is also, in addition, a very interesting, and ongoing story about Ashton Ryan (for all you twink lovers) and those who are implicating him and calling him responsible for their current positive HIV status. God, I just sounded like Ben......On second thought, no I didn't. I have just donated an additional thousand dollars to the first two thousand dollar reward fund that was started just days ago by the Township of Dallas, Dallas, Pa. If there is a predator amoungst "us" we need to do everything "we" can do, to assist in his/their apprehension. Should you choose to add to the fund, contact the Township of Dallas Police Department at Phone: (570 )674-2000.
Members Lucky Posted February 1, 2007 Members Posted February 1, 2007 If you thought that riptide's interest in this case could get any more bizarre, you would have been wrong. He donated a thousand dollars to finding the killer! Dude, the predator is already dead. Your money comes too late!
Guest Riptide Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >If you thought that riptide's interest in this case could get >any more bizarre, you would have been wrong. He donated a >thousand dollars to finding the killer! > >Dude, the predator is already dead. Your money comes too >late! Lucky, once again you have proven yourself the asshole that you continually strive to recover from being. The killer, for which this reward speaks to has NOT been found. Certainly, even you, can even see that as fact. If not, I'd get extra security at your Palm Springs event. You never know when some badass mother fucker might appear and spoil YOUR Party....You are pathetic beyond words.....
Members Lucky Posted February 1, 2007 Members Posted February 1, 2007 Your bizarre interest in this case is what is pathetic, along with your continual hammering of escorts Benjamin and Scott. What is your animosity towards escorts all about? Yet you are all worked up about the death of a predatory pedophile barebacker. The Palm Springs party will be quite fine without you, so don't bother to come. Just stay home and exhale.
Guest comment Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >If you thought that riptide's interest in this case could get >any more bizarre, you would have been wrong. He donated a >thousand dollars to finding the killer! > >Dude, the predator is already dead. Your money comes too >late! I find this self serving remark to be the ugliest in the thread. I have to assume that management does not support your attempt at character assassination of a man who has no public record of intentionally being a predator. Should his profession not be of your ilk just say so but to use such hostile words without just cause is criminal. Especially under these circumstances. If this expression is common for you one has to wonder if you stood on a rooftop cheering on the 9-11 tragedy as well. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Members Lucky Posted February 1, 2007 Members Posted February 1, 2007 In order to have your character assasinated, you have to have character. Riptide's very first post in this thread contains this information about the deceased: "Kocis, a convicted child molester, was the owner of Cobra Video, a popular bareback twink studio" Enough said.
TotallyOz Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >I'd get extra >security at your Palm Springs event. Another party and I'm not invited. Damm. Where are all these invitations going?
TotallyOz Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >Having had coffee with Brent here in WeHo in the last couple >days and spending the evening in said cabanna with him Damm. I wish I had your life.
Guest Riptide Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >In order to have your character assasinated, you have to have >character. >Riptide's very first post in this thread contains this >information about the deceased: >"Kocis, a convicted child molester, was the owner of >Cobra Video, a popular bareback twink studio" > >Enough said. Once again Lucky, your credibility sinks way below a two day late lime treatment of a three day old outdoor port-a-potty shit box at a construction site. Show me, NO, show the site membership here my association with your irresponsible quote of above. You can't. Why? Simply because I have gone out of my way to NOT make such judgements or suggestions because they are not of my belief. Perhaps Lucky you should just stop before you become even more of a fool than you have just made of yourself here with your latest post.
Members Lucky Posted February 1, 2007 Members Posted February 1, 2007 The link you provided from gaypornblog contains the quote I used in my post: Fri Jan-26-07 01:28 PM by Riptide If you've been following this very sick and twisted relationship between Brent Corrigan and cobra owner Bryan Kocis, and didn't think it could any more bizzare, you would have been wrong. Yikes!!! http://www.gaypornblog.com/archives/2007/0...o_own.html#more http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/news.cfm...id=455154&rfi=6
TotallyOz Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >way below a two day >late lime treatment of a three day old outdoor port-a-potty >shit box at a construction site. First off guys, lets not get into pissing contests. Breath in. Breath out. Relax. Do that 200 times before each post. Second, the lime treatment ramark is perhaps the funniest thing I have read in weeks. Thanks for the laugh. Now, breath in. Breath out. Relax.
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >Damm. I wish I had your life. I seem to recall you being too busy to come cabanna hopping at Hustlaball with me but I did extend the invitation :9
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >Another party and I'm not invited. Damm. Where are all these >invitations going? "My boyfriend always gets mad at me when I cum before he does; he says he didn't know if it was good timing for him to shoot or not. I just explain that orgasms are like a group outting. Nobody's INVITED ... everybody just knows to COME!" ~Adapted from Margaret #### and I made it my own ...
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 Hate to reply to myself so quickly but I apparently have been quoting her too often here but noticed that I can't say Margaret C H O .... wtf?
Guest comment Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 I do not agree with your choice to refer to Bryan as a "predator" considering the man is deceased and was clearly a victim in his death. I doubt that we will see any association with his conviction and his murder. It also should be noted that the court agreed the minor lied to him about his age thus the non-sexual offender status. Hey some of the escorts who have profiles on this site concern me in regard to their age. But I have complete confidence that Tampa Yankee and Totally Oz do their best to weed out any that might not be legal. You also quoted the bareback producer part of the statement as reason to enough to refer tot he decease as a "predator." As you know there is nothing illegal about two adults in a consensual sexual agreement. Quite frankly if you truly believe so strongly that men like Bryan are so evil because they support and earn(ed) income from bareback sex then you really should not participate on this site. By your participation you're supporting the same type of act you claim to be so strongly opposed to. I do want to take a moment and apologize to you about my 9-11 remark. It was truly uncalled for and written at the heat of the moment.
Members TampaYankee Posted February 1, 2007 Members Posted February 1, 2007 >Hate to reply to myself so quickly but I apparently have been >quoting her too often here but noticed that I can't say >Margaret C H O .... wtf? LOL.... yes we are single-mindedly anti ####!! Now for the real story... An artifact from the early days when two well know posters of that era loved taunting each other through pet names and other words. If Margaret ever decides to join under her own name then we will reconsider.
TotallyOz Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 >I seem to recall you being too busy to come cabanna hopping at >Hustlaball with me but I did extend the invitation :9 You may have casually mentioned it in an ephemeral conversation. My concentration must have been on your six-pack at the time. My attention is easily diverted.
Members Lucky Posted February 2, 2007 Members Posted February 2, 2007 "I do not agree with your choice to refer to Bryan as a "predator" considering the man is deceased and was clearly a victim in his death. I doubt that we will see any association with his conviction and his murder. It also should be noted that the court agreed the minor lied to him about his age thus the non-sexual offender status. Hey some of the escorts who have profiles on this site concern me in regard to their age. But I have complete confidence that Tampa Yankee and Totally Oz do their best to weed out any that might not be legal. You also quoted the bareback producer part of the statement as reason to enough to refer tot he decease as a "predator." As you know there is nothing illegal about two adults in a consensual sexual agreement. Quite frankly if you truly believe so strongly that men like Bryan are so evil because they support and earn(ed) income from bareback sex then you really should not participate on this site. By your participation you're supporting the same type of act you claim to be so strongly opposed to. I do want to take a moment and apologize to you about my 9-11 remark. It was truly uncalled for and written at the heat of the moment." *** First of all, I accept your apology. Now I would like to address some of your other comments. In choosing to label the deceased as a predator, I relied on the information in riptide's link. Subsequently I have read an article about the conviction in a local newspaper. It does appear that he was not required to register as a sex offender as the case was pled down. But the fact is that he is on tape having sex with a fifteen year old. This Corrigan kid was also underage when he had sex and did a film for the deceased. At the very least, the deceased had a very bad ability to detect underage guys, but given his profession, I really doubt it. The predator label seems fine to me. I am opposed to barebacking. Recently a friend found out that he had 13 T-cells and PCP, only five years after he tested negative. Why? Because he got into barebacking. Read jason curious' blog where one boy tells about Ashton Ryan spreading HIV through barebacking and you only begin to see the damage it does to young lives. Certainly older guys can choose for themselves, but for a young guy to be offered money to bareback on film is the height of social irresponsibility and Kocis was that irresponsible, in my opinion. Now, how is my participation in this site a support of barebacking? Simply because Totally Oz owns a bareback web site does not bother me. Barebacking is happening whether I like it or not. This site itself does nothing to encourage it. IF I knew that Oz owned a video production company where barely legal guys were being encouraged to bareback, then, yes, I would stop posting here. But I don't think that is the fact as I have never seen anything to support it. I think Oz cares about the guys he works with and would not endanger them in such a way. Finally, riptide says he donated another $1000 to the existing $2000 reward forthe capture of Kocis' killer. Funny, the reward today is still $2000. (See Pennsylvania Crime Stoppers)
Guest Riptide Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 >If you thought that riptide's interest in this case could get >any more bizarre, you would have been wrong. He donated a >thousand dollars to finding the killer! > >Dude, the predator is already dead. Your money comes too >late! Since Lucky has promoted himself (once again) to being the voice of all public opinion, then judge of that opinion and then even further more so jury of that opinion; I'll simply offer this in rebuttal to his irresponsible statements directed toward a man, which he probably never knew, probably never met and probably had zero connection to; other than the videos he may have jerked himself off to because he had no date, which this man produced legally and without harm to others. The links that I have provided previously and have continued to do so within this thread, DO NOT represent my opinion(s) in this matter. MY WORDS DO and I stand behind every one of them. Lucky cannot point to any word of mine here that reflects anything other than his desperate need to call me a pedophile lover, as so he so desperately attempts to do, thru links provided by me to comments made by others as to being my own beliefs. A third grade school girl could read MY comments on all of this and find Lucky a fifth grade school boy who has been rejected by the entire third grade class of both girls AND boys just because he's such an irresponsible and irritating girly creep. Here's what has been stated openly by the family attorney, AL Flora Jr., in defense to the likes of our very own Lucky's comments and others, who choose irresponsible and improvable accusations above the facts to make themselves feel above everyone else….These words mirror every one of mine from the beginning of this thread. It’s too bad Lucky cannot claim the same. Al Flora, Jr. says what's important now is finding out who killed his former client. Flora has now been retained by the Kocis family, and he issued the following statement on Wednesday afternoon: The family of the late Bryan Kocis feels obligated to respond to certain media reports suggesting that the legal system determined that their son was a pedophile, that he was operating an illegal Internet porn business and that he should have been registered as a sexual predator under Pennsylvania's Megan's Law. Understanding and respecting the role of a free press in our society and that most reporting is accurate, any inaccurate reporting can only undermine the hard work and integrity of law enforcement in their attempt to bring to justice the perpetrator of this terrible horrific murder. No court has ever determined that Bryan Kocis was a pedophile or sexual predator subject to Megan's Law registration or that he was operating an illegal Internet porn business. Public attention and media concern should focus on the murder of this young man and the devastating impact that this crime has had on his mother, father, sister and her family. Now is not the time for insinuating that his life is worth something less because of his involvement in a lawful adult entertainment business or his lifestyle. Our society demands that justice be achieved in the murder of Bryan Kocis regardless of what stigma is unfairly attached to his business or lifestyle. Bryan is a human being, he did not deserve to be murdered and no one should forget this fact. (Defamatory personal remark removed. TY) I guess that when you’re a hypocrite and an asshole, the best thing to do is to just make it all that it can be for you, while it can be just that, as Lucky suggests and demonstrates. Congratulations Lucky, you are the man who makes those with credibility cringe with disapproval, dissatisfaction and a very sad view of men your age... …….. And now finally, blaming me, for what you call your inability to confirm facts before you spoke, is the most pathetic thing you could ever have stated. You make being gay, a disease for everyone once again.......
Members Lucky Posted February 2, 2007 Members Posted February 2, 2007 Thank you for your warm thoughts. I never called you a pedophile lover, but if the shoe fits...You seem to have no trouble defending Kocis but can't find a good word to say about Ben or Scott. It's true that I had never heard of Kocis or his video company until now. Nothng I have heard has endeared me to the man or his work. Why you feel so strongly about this case is still a mystery. And how is that reward contribution coming? You didn't mention that. That you feel so strongly about what I think is amusing.
