Guest twinklover Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 >>I don't have a fix rate and there's always room >>for negociation. However this negociation has to be done >prior >>we meet just so both of us will explicitly know what to >>expect. > >Good for him to be the one who initiates the >negotiation Where did he say he has to be the one to "initiate" the negotiation? Nowhere, he doesn't say or imply that at all. A client may very well respond to such an ad by initiating a negotiation over specific fees for a specific encounter. This escort thoughtfully invites the client's input and initiation. With all due respect, you keep on backpeddling from your untenable position. Now you're saying negotiation per se isn't bad; it's only bad if the client "initiates" it because that shows "disrespect" to the escort. That argument is pure bullshit. And it's especially bullshit coming from service providers whose fees "vary". We need not list the factors upon which they "vary", now do we? I have nothing against you taking stupid johns for whatever "varying fees" you can get out of them. That's your business and the john's business. Just don't expect those of us who disagree with you about fees generally and negotiating fees in particular from falling for your bullshit argument. I think most experienced clients do not feel guilty about "disrespecting" an escort if they initiate a negtiation over fees. Geez. P.S. I hope my Jewish clients, many of whom I love dearly as clients, never try to hire you as an escort. They negotiate and initiate negotiations about my legal and business fees all the time. It's expected, and not taken as a sign of disrespect for me or my services. Quote
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 >>>I don't have a fix rate and there's always room >>>for negociation. However this negociation has to be >done >>prior >>>we meet just so both of us will explicitly know what >to >>>expect. >Where did he say he has to be the one to "initiate" >the negotiation? Nowhere, he doesn't say or imply that at all. >A client may very well respond to such an ad by initiating a >negotiation over specific fees for a specific encounter. This >escort thoughtfully invites the client's input and >initiation. Yet he is the one INITIATING it by declaring it an option Thanks for proving my point. The act of assuming a lower rate for services despite a declared price is the issue at hand no matter how you want to spin the story for the purpose on insulting me. >P.S. I hope my Jewish clients, many of whom I love dearly as >clients, never try to hire you as an escort. They negotiate >and initiate negotiations about my legal and business fees all >the time. It's expected, and not taken as a sign of disrespect >for me or my services. Gee, last I checked looking up precedent and writing briefs didn't involve you spending time naked in bed with someone or even practicing IN your briefs ... unless you have a unique take on practicing law that I'm not aware of Quote
Members Buddy2 Posted February 2, 2007 Members Posted February 2, 2007 Twinklover: >>P.S. I hope my Jewish clients, many of whom I love dearly >as >>clients, never try to hire you as an escort. They >negotiate >>and initiate negotiations about my legal and business fees >all >>the time. It's expected, and not taken as a sign of >disrespect >>for me or my services. I have not posted yet in this thread, so here goes. I'm with Scott on this. As I understand it, Scott's rates are based on the services the client requests. In other words, the client who requests vanilla sex, gets a lower rate. Negotiating is fine in many cases, but Boston Guy is taking it to an extreme. Twinklover's P.S. on Jewish legal clients ("I hope my Jewish clients, many of whom I love dearly as clients, never try to hire you as a client") is really insulting to Alder. One can speculate that was the OP's intention right from the beginning. Quote
Guest comment Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 (the edit is for clarification) I do firmly believe an escort can charge any fee he desires. It's his business and he sets the rates. I just as strongly believe that a client (i.e. customer) has the same right to attempt negotiation. I feel only a person less experienced in business, as some escorts are, would think negotiation is a sign of disrespect. Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted February 2, 2007 Members Posted February 2, 2007 I know Alex well. He's a great guy, wonderful attitude, and the equipment is very real. }( General comment: Escorts may negotiate or not... clients may negotiate or not. What I find silly is basing the rationale on personal apsects like "it is insulting". This is business transaction -- no more, no less -- even if fantasy overlays it for some. It is a basic 'time and materials' contract, not an adoption or expression of love and devotion. At least it shouldnt be. One charges what he thinks he can get, given the tangibles and intangibles that are of concern; and one pays what he thinks necessary to get the product that satisfies his requirements. FWIW Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted February 2, 2007 Members Posted February 2, 2007 >Gee, last I checked looking up precedent and writing briefs >didn't involve you spending time naked in bed with someone or >even practicing IN your briefs ... I fail to see the logic of this rationale regarding negotations. Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 >Gee, last I checked looking up precedent and writing briefs >didn't involve you spending time naked in bed with someone or >even practicing IN your briefs ... unless you have a unique >take on practicing law that I'm not aware of Pretty hot idea, come to think! Imagine your favorite TV law shows played in the nude. Well, maybe not "Perry Mason"... But then Paul Drake was pretty hot. :9 But then Hamilton Burger... :-( P.S. Bonus question: In a 3-way between Perry, Paul and Della Street, how would the sandwich be stacked? Quote
Guest ScottAdler Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 >>Gee, last I checked looking up precedent and writing >briefs >>didn't involve you spending time naked in bed with someone > or >>even practicing IN your briefs ... > >I fail to see the logic of this rationale regarding >negotations. Much like I fail to see the logic of the rationale belonging to those trying to declare pefect congruency between escorting and other service professions like law and medicine. Quote
Guest comment Posted February 2, 2007 Posted February 2, 2007 >I know Alex well. He's a great guy, wonderful attitude, and >the equipment is very real. }( > >General comment: Tampa Y, it isn't necessary to address me as "general" on civilian sites. Now carry on soldier Quote
