Members KYTOP Posted January 5, 2007 Members Posted January 5, 2007 What I found interesting about this and why I post it here is that the article mentions their use of the internet to get clients. It also mentions that those clients could face prosecution. Quote from the article: "The brothel's customers included doctors, lawyers and businessmen, and they, too, could face charges, the district attorney said, in a warning that could make men jittery across Atlanta and beyond. Taylor and her friends are accused of using their Web site to offer their services during visits to Boston, New York, Chicago and suburban Milwaukee." Link to the full story: http://home.bellsouth.net/s/editorial.dll?...&ac=6&ck=&ch=ne Quote
Members Paying4sex Posted January 7, 2007 Members Posted January 7, 2007 Unless they kept good records with lots of details (or kept the email), it would not be possible to charge clients. Also, for that price one could fly to Amsterdam or some other place where it’s perfectly legal! Here’s some general advice. Don’t communicate by email except to make initial contact. Don’t give your real name, and pay cash. I generally use my cell phone, but using a public pay phone would be better (which is what I used to do before we had cell phones). Since the escort generally has to call you back, and since pay phones frequently can’t receive calls, it may be necessary to use your cell phone. I would hope that my escort does not keep detailed records, as that’s a danger to himself and to clients. Certainly, he should not keep track of phone numbers. Quote
Members KYTOP Posted January 7, 2007 Author Members Posted January 7, 2007 >I would hope that my escort does not keep detailed records, >as that’s a danger to himself and to clients. Certainly, he >should not keep track of phone numbers. > Over the years I've found escorts to keep e-mail and phone #'s. Also note in the article where they got tipped off on the group of female escorts... an Escort review site. From the article: The prosecutor's office said it was tipped off to the Web site by The Gwinnett Daily Post, after an editor got an anonymous call from someone who pointed out Web sites where Taylor's alleged customers could rate her services. Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 >Over the years I've found escorts to keep e-mail and phone >#'s. This has been my experience too. Including, in some cases, my full real name linked to the other contact data. (And, in one case, admission by an escort that he had lost a PDA packed with client data. With no access-locks in place.) Clients who believe otherwise are indulging in wishful thinking. >Also note in the article where they got tipped off on the >group of female escorts... an Escort review site. For any newcomers, it's worth pointing back to the good discussion you started last year, where you asked, among other things: "Do you think that all the talk of male escorts in the news is going to make a few law enforcement agencies decide to start targeting our internet escort friends? Is your info on their computer... do you care... does it matter?" The very worthwhile thread that ensued: http://www.maleescortreview.com/dcscript/d...g_id=1848&page= Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted January 7, 2007 Members Posted January 7, 2007 It strikes me that 9 out of 10, if not more, of these situations arise out of public nuisance concerns whether streetwalkers or suburban home settings. To be sure, there are exceptions such as electioneering busts and sweeps before big public events likely to draw press coverage like national conventions etc. But, as in this case, neighbors or local businesses take notice of unsual activity involving strangers, especially at odd hours. Lack of discretion on the part of these ladies or anyone else begs for notice because their activity is spilling over to affect nonparticipants. There are no guarantees but practicing appropriate discretion that keeps a low profile and in essence respects your neighbors is likely to serve individual practioners well. Well worn travel paths are very apparent and beg notice, thus group practices are best housed off the beaten path but that in itself may bring unwanted notice when noticed. IMO indivdiual practitioners practicing appropriate discretion reasonable caution run little risk in normal times. Clients using the same practices run even less risk. That does not mean no risk. FWIW Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 >It strikes me that 9 out of 10, if not more, of these >situations arise out of public nuisance concerns whether >streetwalkers or suburban home settings. Agreed. A friend once noticed that the house next door, newly rented to a single man, seemd to have a lot of young women coming and going every Friday afternoon. After nine months of this, the house was raided and the man charged with running a phone/internet-based (female) escort agency. The end-of-week traffic was to settle up payments -- no client meetings were ever held at the house, as far as my friend could tell. Still, the location-based public visibility was the giveaway, as you say. Still, seems worth noting that clients ought not to assume their contact info is blanked when it often is not. Paranoia is useless, but the Mike Nifong phenomenon of public officials seizing on some often unjustified crusade springs eternal. Quote
Guest PWIT Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 I have never used any of the escort services but always dealt with the independent escorts. I would think it more likely for a service to cross the legal boundaries and be subject to a similar situation as the original post. - So is my thinking out of line or on target? - For those that use escort services, do you have any of these concerns or are you more comfortable with a service over independent escorts? Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 I've used CampusEscorts/NYC several times. My HOPE would be that a service would be MORE careful than individual escorts NOT to retain any personal data -- unless one specifically asked/registered to be on their mail/email lists. But I have no idea whether that hope has any basis in reality. Anyone...? Quote
Members seaboy4hire Posted January 8, 2007 Members Posted January 8, 2007 > Unless they kept good records with lots of details (or kept >the email), it would not be possible to charge clients. Also, >for that price one could fly to Amsterdam or some other place >where it’s perfectly legal! > > Here’s some general advice. Don’t communicate by email >except to make initial contact. Don’t give your real name, >and pay cash. I generally use my cell phone, but using a >public pay phone would be better (which is what I used to do >before we had cell phones). Since the escort generally has to >call you back, and since pay phones frequently can’t receive >calls, it may be necessary to use your cell phone. > > I would hope that my escort does not keep detailed records, >as that’s a danger to himself and to clients. Certainly, he >should not keep track of phone numbers. > Now it is my understanding and please techie gods correct me but even though you delete emails or anything on your computer it isn't fully deleted. There are ways to retreive information that has been deleted. It isn't easy to do from my understanding but it is possible. Hugs, Greg Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted January 8, 2007 Members Posted January 8, 2007 The standard delete operation or dragging or moving a file/folder to the trash/recycle bin only causes the system to remove the file name from the disk directory and to allocate the space for later rewrite usage. The file information remains on the disk and can be recover rather easily with the right file restore software. However, whether, or if, or when that 'erased' file space is overwritten with a new file is left to the vaguries of the operating system. Even then the file may not be complete overwritten. If you really wish to erase a file so that it cannot be recovered you need an erase specific application such as Window Washer that performs a 'DOD standard' wipe. That means that the application identifies the file location segments and overwrites the space three distinct times, usually with Ps and Ks, although that choice may be application dependent. Quote
Guest BostonGuy Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 All true. However, email that is completely deleted on the local PC will most likely be available on ISP (or other) servers elsewhere for quite some time -- and be well within reach of retrieval by motivated authorities. Never put something in an email that you truly don't want others to see. BG Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 >Never put something in an email that you truly don't want >others to see. Ditto for IMs, remember too. (Unless you need an excuse to resign from Congress and check into rehab!) Quote
Guest Anton Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 Hi all, An alternative is to encrypt the information on the harddrive. An example is http://americas.utimaco.com/ . After installing, and after turning on the pc or notebook, a password will be asked. The machine won't even boot if the right password isn't entered. However, if the right password is entered, the machine will boot, and while booting, the encryption software will be started that decrypts the harddrive and makes the information on the drive readable. Booting from a bootable cd or floppy won't help, because the encryption software won't be started if you boot from something else. Since the harddrive is encrypted, it will remain unreadable. Boy, and I thought that as an escort I could just be dumb to make some bucks. Happy encrypting everybody !! Best, Anton/Amsterdam. Quote
Members Paying4sex Posted January 9, 2007 Members Posted January 9, 2007 >Now it is my understanding and please techie gods correct me >but even though you delete emails or anything on your computer >it isn't fully deleted. There are ways to retreive information >that has been deleted. It isn't easy to do from my >understanding but it is possible. > >Hugs, >Greg E-mail is indeed dangerous. If you must email an escort, it s best not to use your regular email ID. In any case, don't discuss the details of your arrangements. Have him call you as telephones conversations are not quite as easy to recover as emails. Telephone records are keot for a long time, but they only record the fact of the call, not the content. Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 14, 2007 Posted January 14, 2007 And the beat goes on... Women accused of pimping girls on Craigslist Police: Chicago residents offered sex with underage females for ‘donations’ CHICAGO - Two women used the online classified site Craigslist to offer sex with girls in exchange for “donations” or “roses” — code words for money, police said. Tamara Cotton, 25, and Christina Holt, 19, were arrested separately and were not working together, Cook County Sheriff’s officials said Thursday. Cotton was arrested Dec. 31 when an undercover officer arrived at her apartment and a 16-year-old girl offered to perform a sex act for $200, according to the sheriff’s department. While out on bond, Cotton was arrested again on Jan. 5 when she allegedly drove another girl to meet an undercover officer who had arranged a sexual encounter. Cotton was charged with pimping and related offenses. Police arrested Holt on Monday and charged her with keeping a house of prostitution for allegedly arranging a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl. The three minors arrested were not taken into custody, sheriff’s spokeswoman Sally Daly said. “We’ve considered them to be more the victims in this case, given the fact that they were being pimped by adults,” Daly said. The Craigslist ads answered by the officers offered sex acts in exchange for “donations” or “roses,” police said. The ads featured photos of unidentified women. In an e-mail to the Chicago Tribune, Craigslist CEO Jim Buckmaster said the site prohibits illegal activity and intends its erotic services page for “legal escort services and sensual massage providers.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16599035/ Quote
Members KYTOP Posted January 14, 2007 Author Members Posted January 14, 2007 >The Craigslist ads answered by the officers offered sex acts >in exchange for “donations” or “roses,” police said. The ads >featured photos of unidentified women. > >In an e-mail to the Chicago Tribune, Craigslist CEO Jim >Buckmaster said the site prohibits illegal activity and >intends its erotic services page for “legal escort services >and sensual massage providers.” A Las Vegas Escort that recently was arrested in one of that city's escort stings said the police used Craiglist, where he and others had posted their services. Quote
AdamSmith Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 ...the (police) beat still goes on, and on... http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/03/12/madam.cl...t.ap/index.html Quote
Guest StuCotts Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 What I think I get from all this is that doing business with escort agencies, which almost certainly keep records, is riskier than doing business with free-lancers, who almost certainly don't*. Besides, it's less labor-intensive for the police to bust groups than to chase around after a lot of mobile individuals. Am I right, or just whistling in the dark? *I know one NYC escort who keeps excellent records. He emailed me a dentist-type follow-up saying in effect that we had fun some months ago, so let's do it again. Quote
Guest RR Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 It is my understanding that many escort do keep good records. Most I am aware of have information stored and filed. It is a risk that we all take. IMO it is not a big enough risk to stop the current course of events. Personally, that is why I choose to see the same people on a regular basis. If it is not broke dont fix it! RussianRob Quote
Guest StuCotts Posted March 13, 2007 Posted March 13, 2007 >It is my understanding that many escort do keep good records. > Most I am aware of have information stored and filed. I understand escorts keeping records on steady clients, such as you are. I hope that most of them wouldn't on one such as I am, who has his hour's diversion then goes away never to be seen again. Though the guy I cited had seen me only once. IMO it is not a big enough risk to >stop the current course of events. You're right. I'll worry about it tomorrow. Quote
AdamSmith Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I know several who keep very detailed records. One lost his PDA with a lot of my and other clients' personal data on it. But as I haven't yet heard from Mr. Gonzales (Alberto, not Tyler) -- what, me worry? Quote
Guest StuCotts Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 Thanks to your informed input and everybody else's on the topic of escorts' record-keeping habits, I am a quivering mass of nightmarish insecurities. Much obliged anyway, guys. Quote
AdamSmith Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 Don't let this latest one bother you... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18019585/ Quote
AdamSmith Posted July 6, 2007 Posted July 6, 2007 Thanks to your informed input and everybody else's on the topic of escorts' record-keeping habits, I am a quivering mass of nightmarish insecurities. Much obliged anyway, guys. More sweet dreams! Alleged Madam Can Distribute Records By LUBNA TAKRURI The Associated Press Friday, July 6, 2007; 12:42 AM WASHINGTON -- A woman accused of running a prostitution ring in the nation's capital is free to distribute thousands of pages of phone records after a federal judge lifted a restraining order on Thursday. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7070502294.html Quote
