Edwards is Running

[Guest twinklover]

I think he can snag a state or two. Irrespective of his running mate, and I am not opposed to Obama as a VP candidate with Edwards on top. He can win, he is tough, he has many traditional constituencies behind or comsidering him. He's the MAN if you're a Democrat. I support him because he's tough. Because he can win, pure and simple, cold and calculating. He does need to get more fire in his belly than Al Gore but he will. I see it in him.

I'm sorry about my drunken remarks about poor Conroy. I couldn't delete them the next day but I'm glad TY did so on my behalf. Thank youi, TY. While there is ample room for debate about politics, I would like posters here to reflect upon the reasons for my drunken animus, even though I shouldn't be attacking what I consider to be the worst and most unforgiving form of hypocrisy.The worst form of hypocrisy is an attack on your own. It's so despicable! I do think that the tide will change and that, one day, anti-gay bigotry will not be prevalent even in Conroy's chosen party.

[Guest PWIT]

>I'm sorry about my drunken remarks about poor Conroy. I

>couldn't delete them the next day but I'm glad TY did so on my

>behalf. Thank youi, TY. While there is ample room for debate

>about politics, I would like posters here to reflect upon the

>reasons for my drunken animus, even though I shouldn't be

>attacking what I consider to be the worst and most unforgiving

>form of hypocrisy.The worst form of hypocrisy is an attack on

>your own. It's so despicable!

Twinklover, I enjoy most of your posts...but that was way over the top and glad you see that. But don't you also owe Conroy an apology? Or was that done in private? Attacking your own, no matter what party, is not productive. Personally, I think the best legislation comes from true bipartisanship. Better to promote candidates with your point of view in both parties than to throw all your eggs in one basket.

[Guest twinklover]

"But don't you also owe Conroy an apology?" Yes, I do, and this is it. I should not have made that personal attack. It was wrong. The phrase "not eating your own" cuts broadly. That was a point of my last post, and PWIT has amplified its meaning.

[Guest PWIT]

oops....meant Conway instead of Conroy.

[Guest eastburbguy]

I'm confused. x(

Are Conway and Conroy also candidates? }(

If not, can we get back to who's gonna give the Repubs a headache in '08?

P.S. Is anyone else intrigued by the symbolism of a Southern white man (Edwards) running for President with a Northern Black man (Obama) as his running mate? And, if elected, thereby putting the Black Veep first in line to be the next Dem Presidential nominee, when he has enough experience to satisfy the DC in-crowd standards.

Just an idle thought. :*

[Guest PWIT]

You have seen it in different magazines, newspapers, or political pundit shows. Maybe we should periodically assess the conventional wisdom of who is up and down. What do you think?

Let me start....

down

- Biden - puts his foot in mouth as he announces he is officially in.

- Clinton - digging the dirt on Obama - out of the gate w/ the dirty politics

up

- Edwards - no current job to get in his way of campaigning - allows a lot of hands on time in Iowa and poll numbers there are up

- Richardson - pundits are touting his resume as most qualified

no movement

- the rest

how is my assessment? other perspectives?

[Guest twinklover]

"I'm not a closeted Republican at all. I'm actually a registered Republican who makes no bones about his party affiliation."

It's ConWAY not Con ROY. I'm sorry again. I'm sorry now for confusing others as to his correct handle here. I make no bones about my party affiliation either, Conway. I'm a loyal Democrat, even though I'm often ashamed of some of the so-called "politically correct" (i.e., thought fascists) and the left-wing socialist kooks in my party. I believe in a free market economy and small and efficient government (thank you, Adam Smith) and I also believe in a free society otherwise. That would seem to make me a Libertarian but they are kooks too, kookier than the Dems and Repubs. We need a tax code, we need a strong national defense, we must guard fiercely against terrorism, we need a modest safety net for the "other America", we should support labor unions, and we need to leave people alone in their personal lives. John Edwards is the one candidate who can actually win (I'm convinced of that, unlike Hillary, Obama, etc.) and who will stand for most of what I support.

[Guest Conway]

You sound like a Reagan Republican to me. Because what you just stated as what you believe in was pretty much the mantra of the 1970s and 1980s post Goldwater Conservative movement.

Probably the only real difference in our political philosophies is that, generally, no social issue will sway my vote in a general election. I'm more interested in fiscal policy than I am in _____ (insert social cause du jour here with gay marriage, abortion and home schooling being among those issues). So, its safe to say that I hardly consider philosophical libertarianism "wacky" though I do find that the Libertarian political party seems to attract its fair share of doomsday, hiding in a cave from nuclear attack type wack jobs.

I have said it here before and I'll say it here again. In 2006, I wanted the Democrats to give me someone to convince me to vote for him over GWB in the last election. While I'm certainly as unhappy as anyone over the fiscal policies of the current administration, I could gain no comfort that a Kerry Administration would take us down a path of greater fiscal responsibility...especially since the candidate couldn't or wouldn't tell us how he planned to pay for specific projects that he endorsed in his presidential campaign.

In the end, my second vote for GWB was really a defensive vote against John Kerry.

As I said earlier, Obama makes sense to me on a very basic level. But, there is a lot to be learned from and about him over the next two years. The current slate of leading Republican candidates for the 2008 election (Giuliani, Romney, McCain and Brownback) really don't appeal to me at all with respect to their historical fiscal policies.

Obama presents an opportunity for the Democratic Party to take back middle America, a component that it needs if it is going to win national elections on a regular basis. Those voters that fit that mold, most likely share the same basis for their political decisions that you and I do.

[TampaYankee]

Well, it had to happen. This thread has turned from discussing the candidates to discussing each other in direct exchanges. Such exchanges have NOTHING to do with 2008 Presidential politics or national policy or how to make the trains run on time. Nice that we think we and our debate opponents are so important but really... it just ain't true for the bigger picture.

This always happens when political discussions take place. So far, the slings and arrows have remained sheathed or at least fitted with soft foam tips. But that will change with the next step down the slope.

This is how political forums get dragged into the mire, excluded from the premises.

Discuss the issues not each other.

[AdamSmith]

So much for my hopeful speculation:

http://www.maleescortreview.com/dcscript/d...mesg_id=386#386