IS HE INSANE ???????????

[Guest beemerboy]

a poster on the old hooboy message center (twinkboylover28)...seems to be just a little nutty.

for those of y'all that have read his rantings of late ...what do ya think,is he for real???

TAYLOR..........

[marcanthony]

shhhhhh.... if you talk too loud, he might come here!

[Lucky]

Leave it to taylor to try to revive escortspeak here in the MER forums. Shame on the management for letting him do it. You guys purport to want to leave the past behind, to let other message centers handle their own problems, to avoid personal attacks and only attack the issue.

And here you violate all of that just to get a dig in at someone who is not very popular. I agree with Vox Pennae that this site must be of its own and not rely on gossiping andd disparaging other sites for its content. Until it can move forward without that, it cannot grow.

Just look over the weekend posts, so few as they were, and wonder where the contributors to this board are. The threads that thrive are the threads about Hooville, its contributors, its problems, and its competiveness. When someone starts a new thread here on a different subject, it usually dies.

That can't happen if this site is to succeed.

So, gentleman, less talk, more action. Bye Taylor!

[Guest TakeTwo]

Lucky, with all due respect; what you are doing to Taylor here, is exactly what you are chastising him for doing to Twinklover28. Taylor’s post, from my pov, did nothing but share an observation, which by the way, has been shared by others as well, as to the stability and credibility of this posters past and current forum contributions.

To accuse Taylor of attempting to revive ES here, from this one post is unfair and undeserved. It in itself flames more of the past than anything Taylor attempted to share in his post. To shame management here for allowing it to stand is an arrogant statement which I think if you reflect back upon it, might want to reconsider as well.

No matter how hard anyone here tries, our past will always be our past. There will be times most assuredly, when historical indifference gets the better of the moment. You have just demonstrated this reality to be true. We’re human and to expect anything less would be fool hearty. The important thing is to continue to recognize, perhaps, a better way of communicating amongst ourselves and strive for that in what and how we express ourselves to each other.

In my opinion, management here should be applauded, not shamed, for recognizing this learning and behavioral curve and for embracing it as we ALL attempt to move on.:-)

[Guest FourAces]

I think Taylors comments are not appropriate. But I believe your comments are even far worse. Bringing up out of the blue ES as if it was some evil forum and comparing all negative or wrong posts to ES is simply YOU stirring a well boiled pot here and you know it.

Shaming the management here has shades of you trying to shame Barry when he began moderating here.

Lucky if you feel you can create a better message center then DO IT. BTW this site is all about reviews as was HB's site. The message center is not going to make or break the site. If you don't truly know that then you are very naive when it comes to Internet business

Shame on you for not just letting taylors post die.

[marcanthony]

Hmm... I guess I didn't find anything wrong with Taylor's post when I read it... and after seeing all of the hub bub about it, I read it again...

he wrote:

"a poster on the old hooboy message center (twinkboylover28)...seems to be just a little nutty.

for those of y'all that have read his rantings of late ...what do ya think,is he for real???"

Am I missing something? Still not sure what is inappropriate about it. The big question about this poster is truly whether he is real or not. Many of his posts are outrageous enough that a lot of people speculate whether they are just intended to be inflammatory and don't really reflect a true opinion. In reading Taylor's post, isn't this what he's asking?

I didn't asnwer his question because it didn't matter to me one it is... I'd prefer not interact with either version of the truth.

People discuss controversial posters all the time (consider the long multiple threads about Rockhard on this site), and so long as it's a speculation about their motives for behavior and not a name calling session, though it's really not my preferential interest to start or participate much in something like that, in my opinion it's fair game.

[Lucky]

Taylor's post is a personal attack, somethiing not allowed here,and it's even on someone who doesn't post here. All the more reason not to allow it.

Despite any attempt to re-write history, escortspeak became a place where personal attacks ran rampant. If management here cannot prevent that, or, does not want to prevent that, then indeed escortspeak will return.

[marcanthony]

>Taylor's post is a personal attack, somethiing not allowed

>here,and it's even on someone who doesn't post here. All the

>more reason not to allow it.

>

Lucky: I guess where we differ is that I don't see Taylor's post a personal attack (see my post below). Writing something negative about someone's behavior does not constitute a personal attack, IMO. In fact, it's the premise of the site... review of escort behavior. Saying an escort is a bastard and shithead is not appropriate. Saying he uses fake pictures and misprepresents what he'll do is a review, not a personal attck. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I think if we can call into question the behavior of escorts, we can do so to posters/clients as well... provided it's limited to comments on actions.

In this case, I read the OP as asking if the person in question posts to get a rise out of people or if his opinions are truly that outrageous. That's fair, IMO... and if I misread his question or his intent, then I defer to your opinion. But that's how I read it.

[Lucky]

Marc, your point would be better taken if the twinkboylover in question actually posted here. If he is a problem, then it is not this center's problem, so why bring it here?

A guy walks into a pub, looks at a complete stranger, then asks the whole bar if the stranger is insane? Isn't that a clear effort to stir up trouble when the stranger wasn't bothering the guy walking into the pub?

"These forums are NOT presented for abusive arguing and name calling, score settling, thread stalking, or general cyberspace blood sport for the chronically bored."

Taylor was looking to stir up a hornet's nest, then run away laughing as he did at escort speak.

[marcanthony]

>Taylor was looking to stir up a hornet's nest, then run away

>laughing as he did at escort speak.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Just as your statement above is fair game because it speculates on the motivation of a poster, IMO Taylor asked a question that referred to the behavior of another poster.

And I am not sure about your analogy, as you told me that my reasoning would have more weight if TBL28 posted here, but you used an example of someone who walked into a bar and was insulted.

We may have to agree to disagree, but just as I endorse your right to ask whether it was Taylor's intent to stir up trouble (because it questions the motivation behind his actions), I endorse his right to ask if someone's posts are real or deliberately inflammatory.

[Guest TakeTwo]

>Taylor's post is a personal attack, somethiing not allowed

>here,and it's even on someone who doesn't post here. All the

>more reason not to allow it.

>Taylor's post is a personal attack, somethiing not allowed

>here,and it's even on someone who doesn't post here. All the

>more reason not to allow it.

Lucky, how many times have you attacked president Bush on the other site? Does he post there? Using your reasoning, if someone does not post somewhere, they are off base for lively and differing discussion. It seems to me that you're using this arguement to support your dislike for Taylor. You also seem to looking into a crystal ball predicting a persons motives. That too, is stirring the past and making the present and future much more challenging.

>

>Despite any attempt to re-write history, escortspeak became a

>place where personal attacks ran rampant. If management here

>cannot prevent that, or, does not want to prevent that, then

>indeed escortspeak will return.

Can you provide any recent examples of ES style attacks on anyone here Lucky? As of late, your post on Taylor feels the closest thing as to what you describe which you are claiming to be an attack, that I can think of.

[Lucky]

Oh, bull. How many times do you see an edit of a post stating "personal attack deleted"? Taylor's post is graffiti, slapped on the wall of this pub just to raise trouble. It did not add anything to any discussion being held here nor did it involve a member of the forum here.

How is this board going to go forward if this is the type of thread allowed? How are others going to feel welcome posting here if personal attacks are gratuitously allowed?

Since management here seems to be on vacation, I will offer this comment from Barry in another thread:

"The thinly veiled and sometimes overt baiting, the back and forth, the dragging of shit here from other sites...... SIGH. It's getting annoying. Tampa said it so well in the thread pinned to the top of this forum.

In my own words I reiterate. Fucking knock it off!

Your Beloved Moderator,

Barry"

[Guest TakeTwo]

Lucky, sweetheart, I'm passing you a Xanax. I hope that you will accept my generosity and swallow it. What's up with this paranoid behavior? When was the last time Taylor posted here? Months ago. How many posts has he made here? just a handfull. What are you all jacked up over? Why not go shopping for a new outfit for your London trip and leave the health of the site to TY and OZ. So far, they've done pretty well I think. Enjoy your holiday :-)

[Guest VoxPennae]

Wonder if said subject of this thread would now find this place to be a welcoming environment if he would so choose to join in posting?

[Lucky]

"Enjoy your holiday"

Thanks. I plan to.

[Guest TakeTwo]

>Wonder if said subject of this thread would now find this

>place to be a welcoming environment if he would so choose to

>join in posting?

VP, if the subject of this thread finds the M4M forums welcoming and desireable, after what has been said about him over there, I'm sure he'd feel just fine over here. Nobody here has disparaged him at all.

[Guest VoxPennae]

>>Wonder if said subject of this thread would now find

>this

>>place to be a welcoming environment if he would so choose

>to

>>join in posting?

>

>VP, if the subject of this thread finds the M4M forums

>welcoming and desireable, after what has been said about him

>over there, I'm sure he'd feel just fine over here. Nobody

>here has disparaged him at all.

I should have added to my original post that it's up to him to decide such matters.

[Guest FourAces]

>

>How is this board going to go forward if this is the type of

>thread allowed? How are others going to feel welcome posting

>here if personal attacks are gratuitously allowed?

>

Same ole BS. Why not save it for that other place. I see you have a little pot brewing there as well today.

Don't dictate to us or management how this MC should run. Start your own MC if you want exactly the people and posts you desire.

[Guest TakeTwo]

>>

>>How is this board going to go forward if this is the type

>of

>>thread allowed? How are others going to feel welcome

>posting

>>here if personal attacks are gratuitously allowed?

>>

>

>Same ole BS. Why not save it for that other place. I see you

>have a little pot brewing there as well today.

>

>Don't dictate to us or management how this MC should run.

>Start your own MC if you want exactly the people and posts you

>desire.

To steal a moment from Oprah......YOU get a Xanax, YOU get a Xanax, YOU get a Xanax, YOU get a Xanax, and YOU and YOU and YOU get a Xanax! Everybody gets a Fucking Xanax!!! Now everybody open up fucking wide and fucking swallow!!!........Or was that a car? :-) Nonetheless, a worthy analogy....We now return you to your regular programming.

[Guest Barry]

>Since management here seems to be on vacation,

Nope. Have been here on and off most of the day. I think this thread represents a good exchange between members who have different ideas. No real need for "management" to get involved.

[Lucky]

Correction: Barry didn't mean it after all!

[Guest mbarz]

Insanity is right.

It's insane that you can accuse Taylor of personal attacks and dragging ES into here when that's exactly what you're doing.

Taylor isn't the one that created 50 different persona's on ES so he could bait and attack people, you did, and you'd do it here too, if you could get away with it.

I love how you tell Barry "you didn't mean it after all". So what did you mean by all these post?

Were you the one just trying to cause trouble again?

You'll never change.

[Guest TakeTwo]

>Correction: Barry didn't mean it after all!

Lucky, maybe I should have made that 2 Xanax. Now you're acting like a cunt. And oh god, how I hate that word.

[Guest twinklover]

Lucky, there's no need for a tempest in a teapot over THIS. And there's certainly no need to drag in totally extraneous topics like escortspeak and Barry. Taylor's exact words were: "a poster on the old hooboy message center (twinkboylover28)...seems to be just a little nutty.

for those of y'all that have read his rantings of late ...what do ya think,is he for real???"

As you know, TBL28 has made some inflammatory and disgusting posts and has been strongly criticized over at M4M. Taylor's question was worded in a relatively moderate manner. I'm sure Taylor will leave his more detailed opinion of TBL28 to the yahoo group, perhaps with excerpts from TBL28's own stories and esoteric views and activities. I don't think TBL28's insane, certainly not in a legal way. He may also be for real. There are some people out there who revel in stories of shitty sex, cheap drugged-out male hookers, licking a fat ass, farting with escorts, etc. I must confess a dirty little secret. TBL28's is amusing to me and I wonder what salacious thing he'll post next.

[Guest Barry]

Let's not take this discussion down to that level. Lucky and others have expressed their thoughts and opinions. Nothing wrong with that.

Since I started moderating 6 years ago people have been telling me what I think, what I mean, my intent and how I should moderate. Nothing wrong with that.

Several years ago a couple of posters at M4M told me in no uncertain terms that I was over-moderating. Nothing wrong with that. They were right.

I comment when I feel I have something to add. I act when I think it is necessary.