Letter from an Admirer

[TotallyOz]

I received the following letter to a personal e-mail account. As I did not recognize the sender, I thougth it must have been meant for the public as it was not a private message.

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As Deej suggested on Hoo’s site, I googled Hooboy. It was said that Oz had a link to MER as a paid advertisement. When I went there, I found there was not any ad but I did find the site called Hooboy. I clicked the link and guess where it took me? To a site called Hooboy.com the Male Escort Review with only links to this site.

I find it repulsive that Hooboy.com is linked to your site and that there are those that violate standards of common decency. I am not sure if you own the site now or if is just renting it as you tried to do with m4m. The fact remains that Daddy is the one who is left with the Hooboy brand and legacy. He is the one carrying the touch that will keep the name going. This pathetic attempt to infringe upon that brand is despicable.

Signed, (name withheld)

Dear NoName,

Thanks for the letter. I do appreciate it. Often in life people have brain farts and that is easily an excuse for one to not know the difference between his ass and a hole in the ground. It is sometimes required that others point out this difference for them as it is obvious to others.

Yes, we own the name hooboy.com. Yes, we have had google keywords on most escort related domain names. Frankly, I did not even think about the domain name for hooboy.com until Deej pointed it out to me. It never crossed my mind. When we placed the ads on google for MER, we asked google to select all relevant keywords. They did and we approved them. Hooboy was only one of several hundred that we used.

When Deej pointed out to me that this was a popular keyword, I did some research and found out that he was right. I then bought the domain name from the previous owner. I want to thank Deej for pointing this out to me. I know he wants us to succeed and we appreciate any help and advice that any one has. As far as the name hooboy is concerned, it does not belong to Daddy. It does not belong to me. It belongs to the public.

HooBoy did not 'will' to Daddy his name or its use or even bestow an unofficial blessing on Daddy for the name or the site. HooBoy's family did NOT license or sell or bless the site and/or name over to Daddy. Else, could anyone believe that Daddy would NOT be using it and enforcing exclusivity?

Those who knew HooBoy KNOW WELL that his intent was to share the site with, and ultimately pass the site on to Foxy. That did not happen.

Put bluntly, nobody owns the HooBoy name or legacy. Daddy worked for over a year publishing reviews on the HooBoy site. He earned the copyright to those reviews. He has the right to take them wherever he desires. He did not earn the HooBoy name or site or the message center or the archived reviews. If you feel otherwise then direct your outrage to Hooboy's Family. They chose not to recognize any such claim. He did not acquire the name or site or the use rights from the Family/Estate. Most importantly, HooBoy made contrary intentions known when he was alive.

I like that Deej stated that sites should create their own site and build their own brand. I wish all would do this. Perhaps Deej should look very close to home before pointing any fingers. As the saying goes, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Noname, it seems that your outrage and repulsion is less directed at your 'presumed' rape of HooBoy's name and legacy than it is directed to competition to the unauthorized defacto status quo. The status quo resulting from the impasse between HooBoy’s family and Daddy, regarding the disposition of the legacy, brought on by HooBoy’s untimely passing. If your concern is really HooBoy's legacy then your outrage should be directed at that impasse and the subsequent actions by those involved.

Anyway, NoName, I appreciate your letter and hope this helps you to understand things a bit better.

Oz

[Buddy2]

"Those who knew HooBoy KNOW WELL that his intent was to share the site with, and ultimately pass the site on to Foxy. That did not happen."

Since you chose to discuss all this so openly, my question is why didn't HooBoy

execute a will making his wishes known before he died. Didn't he have a warning in the form of a stroke about six months before his death? There

was certainly a discussion on HooBoy's site (with HooBoy himself about his lack of medical insurance.) It seems like Daddy often comes out looking like the bad guy which may not have happened if HooBoy had a will and left everything to Foxy.

I do understand that HooBoy may have been a take life one day at a time-kind of guy, if he did not have medical insurance.

[Guest deej]

> Put bluntly, nobody owns the HooBoy name or legacy.

That's partially correct, but there IS one party that is actively (and deceptively) using the name and it isn't Daddy.

I'll leave it to the estate's attorneys to argue over brand ownership.

>I like that Deej stated that sites should create their own site and build their

>own brand. I wish all would do this. Perhaps Deej should look very close to

>home before pointing any fingers. As the saying goes, people who live in glass

> houses should not throw stones.

Hmmm....

daddysreviews.com

message-forum.net

Where's that glass house?

Somebody is building a site/identity by sucking the bone marrow out of a corpse and it isn't us.

[Guest TakeTwo]

deej, you popping up over here every now and then is beginning to mirror a game of "Whack-a-Mole." But it's always good to see that you are alive and well. :-)

>Hmmm....

>

>daddysreviews.com

>message-forum.net

>

>Where's that glass house?

deej, playing stupid at this point in time will only get you headline status over at the Rico Report. Wouldn't you really rather wait until your co-ownership of the site is uncovered and made public? That way, at least, you're less likely to be viewed as an idiot for working all those years for free and at least be able to thumb the nay sayers with a deposit slip.:-)

>Somebody is building a site/identity by sucking the bone

>marrow out of a corpse and it isn't us.

And what exactly is Daddy sucking, I mean building, of a “new” brand deej? From what I see, nothing of anything new. He is simply reproducing the old Hooboy site design format injected with new background colors and font size that you would find in an age 6-9 children’s reading book. Absent that, there is nothing new there. To quote Ross Perot...."There's that giant sucking sound again".....:-)

You’re beginning, deej, to sound an awful lot like someone who has just as much to lose/gain as Foxy does. I meant to say Daddy. We all know that Foxy is probably selling HIS bone marrow to pay rent and buy food just to stay alive; since his interests have been under attack and deception from parties with their own deceptions and self interests in play.

What’s really the matter here deej? Did you get caught sleeping with your pants down and then get one upped on by someone a bit more strategic in their business prowess and now are feeling a bit stupid and bitter about it?

I hear that Rockhard is also in need of some consoling lately. If you'd like, I'd be happy to forward to you his hotel address and room number so the two of you could at least chat and perhaps, together, plan a course of personal self recovery together. It's always best to work on these type things with a peer equal.:-)

I realize that might sound as if I care, but I'm sure if you work on it you'll get that straightened out too. :-)

[Guest FourAces]

Long before your post ChgoBoy , deej already made the headlines at www.hoovillenews.blogspot.com

deej and daddy are partners. deej and daddy are like watching the keystone cops try to run a business.

[Guest TakeTwo]

Well thanks for that FourAces, it's timely information like which you just posted that makes us all better informed people just for reading it. But I digress....

So a man walks into a bar.......

A Southern Californian man walks into a very high-tec bar. As he sat down on a stool he noticed that the bartender was a robot. The robot, as programmed, clicked to attention and asked, "Sir, what will you have?"

The man thought for a moment and then replied “A martini, please.” The

robot clicked a couple of times and mixed the best martini the man had ever had.

The robot then asked, "Sir, what is your IQ?"

The man answered "oh, about 164."

The robot then proceeded to discuss the “theory of relativity”

“inter-stellar space travel,” and “the latest medical

breakthroughs,” with him…

The man was most impressed. When he left the bar he thought about that robot and decided to return, using a different tack. He returned and took a different seat. Again the

robot clicked to attention and asked what he would have.

"A Martini please"

Again it was superb. The robot again asked "What is your IQ

sir?" This time the man answered, "Oh, about 100." So the robot

started discussing NASCAR racing, the latest basketball scores, and

what to expect from the Dodgers this week-end.

The guy had to try it one more time. So he left, returned and

took a new stool.... He again ordered a martini, and answered the question, "What is your

IQ?"

This time the man drawled out “Uh..... Bout 50"..??

But this time, instead of mixing a martini, the robot once again clicked, and then leaned in very close to the mans face and v-e-r-y slowly asked this question:

“With an IQ of “50” how could you ever have been so stupid as to not have bought that domain site name? Here’s a double. It’s on the house.” That means it's free.

[Guest FourAces]

>

>“With an IQ of “50” how could you ever have been so stupid as

>to not have bought that domain site name? Here’s a double.

>It’s on the house.” That means it's free.

>

YAWN btw anyone who really knows me know i don't drink at all, zero. Nice try ChgoBOY.

I tried to buy hooboy.com, nice people who owned it too. In fact I think anyone with a little business sense would have tried to buy it, oops sorry CB.

But how can I compete with Oz he has so much more money than me

[Guest TakeTwo]

>>

>>“With an IQ of “50” how could you ever have been so stupid

>as

>>to not have bought that domain site name? Here’s a

>double.

>>It’s on the house.” That means it's free.

>>

>YAWN btw anyone who really knows me know i don't drink at all,

>zero. Nice try ChgoBOY.

>

>I tried to buy hooboy.com, nice people who owned it too. In

>fact I think anyone with a little business sense would have

>tried to buy it, oops sorry CB.

FourAces, perhaps you should concentrate more on your poker game, since from your posts here, you lost big time this past weekend. This post had NOTHING... LET ME REPEAT - NOTHING... to do with you at ALL- EVER....in fact or even reference. You should be very embarrassed for yourself right about now..

[Guest dotan]

Hello dear,

When are you coming back to France?

[TampaYankee]

deej,

Thanks for attending the party, you look so fashionable all dressed up in white.

>That's partially correct, but there IS one party that is

>actively (and deceptively) using the name and it isn't Daddy.

>

>>Perhaps Deej should look very close to

>>home before pointing any fingers. As the saying goes,

>>people who live in glass

>> houses should not throw stones.

>

>Hmmm....

>

>daddysreviews.com

>message-forum.net

>

>Where's that glass house?

>

>Somebody is building a site/identity by sucking the bone

>marrow out of a corpse and it isn't us.

Careful not to get any on your fashion whites. The spots are such a

pain to remove.

Let's review a little history...

1 August: HooBoy Site legacy is brought down when the hosting company demands to change and then breaks the current working understanding with the Estate. Daddy portrays himself as a third party, or presents a portrait of ambiguity at best, to the Estate/Host Co. impasse, in an explanation of the site demise posted on the rehosted MC.

1 August: The hosting company, without permission or prior knowledge of the HooBoy site domain owner, directs traffic from the HooBoy male4malescorts.com to a new domain that has no connection with the

HooBoy Estate. The new domain is hosted by the very same hosting company that broke the agreement with HooBoy's Estate. Included is a statement that the Message Center has been moved.

1 August: the hosting company places the HooBoy Message Center under that new domain without permission of the HooBoy Estate. A domain in which Daddy appears as the online public face of 'the operator'. This is accompanied by statements that the 'shop' has been set up at the new domain and that reviews will follow. "No new registration is required!"

7 August: The HooBoy estate parks the HooBoy site domain with a different hosting company, prohibiting its use for unauthorized forwarding.

Now proclaimed in a statement appended to current daddysreviews escort reviews, that reviews prior to March 2005 will also be posted in the future. Those are reviews under copyright to the HooBoy estate, reviews that have not been sold or otherwise released for use. The only interpretations open to this are: daddy is confident that he will reach agreement with the Estate... finally, prevail over the Estate in a legal action... finally, or use the reviews without Estate permission. Often history repeats. I cannot predict the future. Fortunately I do not have to, it eventually reveals itself.

Yes, bone marrow can leave messy spots that are just hell to remove. I recommend one of the fine linen napkins... just in case.

Finally, lest there be any confusion, I sincerely wish success in the new venture to daddy and to you if you are a player in the venture. However, when people speak of the Temple Whores they invite closer inspection of the Temple Virgins.

[TotallyOz]

>Finally, lest there be any confusion, I sincerely wish success

>in the new venture to daddy and to you if you are a player in

>the venture. However, when people speak of the Temple Whores

>they invite closer inspection of the Temple Virgins.

TY, I think you summed up my feelings better than I could have done. Thank you. If anyone cannot put 2 and 2 together to get 4 after reading your post, they will never be able to figure it out.

Lucky wrote in another thread:

Just today a poster dredged up the old Hooboy/Foxy issues and in the process baited the moderator of another site, who, of course, immediately took the bait. Yet I have no doubt that this poster also wants to see a message center that doesn't dwell on the past or disparage others. Just because we get caught up in that doesn't mean we wouldn't like to see it end.

I don't know if I was baited into my initial post or not. However, Lucky is right in that I would like to leave the past in the past. That being said, I will try my hardest not to bring up many of the issues raised in this thread. Some things needed to be said and they have been said in this thread. For those not in the know, I don't know how to make things clearer so it is best I just learn to keep some things to myself.

I am not sure if Deej baited me or I baited him. In either case, we both should have just kept swimming.

[Guest BewareofNick]

>I don't know if I was baited into my initial post or not.

>However, Lucky is right in that I would like to leave the past

>in the past. That being said, I will try my hardest not to

>bring up many of the issues raised in this thread. Some

>things needed to be said and they have been said in this

>thread. For those not in the know, I don't know how to make

>things clearer so it is best I just learn to keep some things

>to myself.

I don't think there's anything wrong with what you stated. The inital response by the other site admin was MORE than worthy of response as it contained more than its share of falsehoods. Of course, when one considers the author, and such things as "The Great Meltdown", his response is not all surprising in the least.

Those of us who have come here know where Hooboy's legacy is and know which site is his spiritual heir. We know which site honors Hoo and which site has "sucked the marrow dry".

[BigK]

I can't believe there are so many sycophants over there who sing Daddys "hard working" praises. And Daddys mouthpiece Deej is so full of shit that my computer stinks when he posts.

Daddy so obviously devalued the site and ended up stealing the content.

[Guest deej]

>Let's review a little history...

Yes, lets!

So much of what you've written, here and elsewhere, revolves around agreements. Lets start with the estate failing to sign any agreement. With anyone. Ever.

Daddy has been dealing in good faith with an entity that has no intent to return the favor. Or they've had more than a year to show the intent and haven't bothered.

After a year or so (nearly two), it became obvious that Hooboy's business partner needed to take steps to protect the business and did so. (Which is in keeping with his legal obligation to the estate, oddly enough. This shit gets weird pretty fast.)

As far as the hosting goes, the estate was fully aboard when the servers moved to an ISP that could provide more bandwidth than Daddy could provide. In fact, it was a representative of the Estate at the keyboard at midnight on a Sunday making DNS changes. Surely you remember that change. It got Rockhard, who this site derides so, in a reall kerfuffle.

The Estate wouldn't sign that contract either.

Everything has been above board. The estate has been fully involved, until they actively attempted to kill the business. At that point, the partnership agreement and Daddy's obligation to protect the business came into play.

Now, none of this has ANYTHING to do with MER marketing itself as Hooboy. Nice spin job. He's dead if you hadn't heard. It's kinda skeevy to be sending out emails "from" Hooboy. It's made MY skin crawl when I've read the forwarded messages.

But hold what you've got.

[Lucky]

"Lucky is right"

Ah, savoring the sound of that yet again!

( Hey, just kidding! )

[Guest VoxPennae]

>

>>

>Those of us who have come here know where Hooboy's legacy is

>and know which site is his spiritual heir. We know which site

>honors Hoo and which site has "sucked the marrow

>dry".

WTF? "Spiritual heir"? "Hooboy's legacy"? "honors Hoo"?

I had no idea that Hooboy was Gandhi reincarnated.

What I find absolutely ridiculous is this assertion that Hooboy had some grand vision and that this site, and its owners, are carrying forward. To me, IMHO, it's the height of arrogance to make such claims.

Any time I hear someone say "it's what so-and-so would have wanted" there's no doubt such individuals are up to no good. Such is based on a lifetime of experience.

This "legacy" stuff is a load of crap. Hooboy was able be the first to market with a concept that others likely had as well at the time. They lacked timing and/or resources to make their concepts happen. Hooboy got lucky at a time when the conditions were right in the internet market place for his concept to take off. It was lucrative despite his claims to the contrary.

This site is a pale reflection of that original concept. Furthermore, the successor site, Daddy's Reviews, is also a pale reflection of that original concept. The Hooboy site was unique for a time but certainly in the last two years before his death that site was beginning its decline.

[Guest FourAces]

>>Let's review a little history...

>

>Yes, lets!

>After a year or so (nearly two), it became obvious that

>Hooboy's business partner needed to take steps to protect the

>business and did so. (Which is in keeping with his legal

>obligation to the estate, oddly enough. This shit gets weird

>pretty fast.)

LOL it is always nice when you drop by deej. Talk about re-writing history, Daddy as Hooboys business partner, you are just too funny. Had Daddy ben Hooboys business partner there would have been an agreement, had there been an agreement in the event of one or the others death X would take place. Can you or Daddy post the agreement for us? That would quickly put a end to all of this if one is out there. The only agreement is that Hooboy used daddys hosting services.

You're right it gets pretty weird.

>

>Everything has been above board.

LOL

>

>Now, none of this has ANYTHING to do with MER marketing itself

>as Hooboy. Nice spin job. He's dead if you hadn't heard. It's

>kinda skeevy to be sending out emails "from" Hooboy.

>It's made MY skin crawl when I've read the forwarded

>messages.

>

LOL you need to get over the FACT that OZ is a far better businessman than you or Daddy could ever be. Time to move forward deej, half your hits have, LOL.

BTW in case you forgot it waqs daddy in the weee hours trying to hijack the hb domain to his new site. Thankfully the estate was alerted and parked the domain.

[Guest deej]

> Can you or Daddy post the agreement for us?

I was not aware Daddy was accountable to you and I'm certainly not. Here or elsewhere.

>You're right it gets pretty weird.

You have no idea. As much as you'd like to convince the world that you do, you truly have NO idea.

>BTW in case you forgot it waqs daddy in the weee hours trying

>to hijack the hb domain to his new site. Thankfully the estate

>was alerted and parked the domain.

Actually no. There was never any redirection, no matter what revisionist history you subscribe to.

There was a 404 page with a link. And it took the Estate a week to react by parking the domain. Parking the domain is a pretty clear indication of intent.

They could have kept the business going by signing the ISP contract. They chose to kill it instead.

[TotallyOz]

>They could have kept the business going by signing the ISP

>contract. They chose to kill it instead.

Deej, either you are tremendously naive or you have been egregiously misled. In either case, I wish you the best on your new business enterprise. It looks like your site is up and running and doing OK.

[Guest FourAces]

>> Can you or Daddy post the agreement for us?

>

>I was not aware Daddy was accountable to you and I'm certainly

>not. Here or elsewhere.

Most people who make statements can document them with fact. If you don't or are unable to do so then that is your choice and those reading will form their own opinion.

>

>

>You have no idea. As much as you'd like to convince the world

>that you do, you truly have NO idea.

You truly have no idea who I am or what I do and or have access to. At the very best you and the small group of HB people I have met know what my appearance is like. Making such a statement only makes you seem more foolish than you might be.

>

>>BTW in case you forgot it was daddy in the weee hours

>trying

>>to hijack the hb domain to his new site. Thankfully the

>estate

>>was alerted and parked the domain.

>

>Actually no. There was never any redirection, no matter what

>revisionist history you subscribe to.

>

>There was a 404 page with a link. And it took the Estate a

>week to react by parking the domain. Parking the domain is a

>pretty clear indication of intent.

Technically speaking there was a page with a silly logo and a link to the message center. Therefore, people clicking on the link were redirected to a new domain which is registered to one of Daddy's partners.

>

>They could have kept the business going by signing the ISP

>contract. They chose to kill it instead.

Again such a foolish statement to make. You really have little idea what is going on. If you do your comments don't disclose that fact.

Deej you are welcome to attempt a meltdown here if you like. But i assure you no one here cares enough about you or your silly statements to take the bait.

Your arrogance works best on the message center where you have access to the admin features, maybe you should stick with what you do best.

[Guest deej]

> It looks like your site is up

>and running and doing OK.

Thanks, Oz, and we wish you the best too!

Hitting the Alexa top 100,000 before even opening for business was quite a surprise. But we like it. ;-)

[Guest deej]

>Your arrogance works best on the message center where you have

>access to the admin features, maybe you should stick with what

>you do best.

I was specifically invited to post here by one of the admins of this site.

Are you now claiming ownership and disinviting me?

[Guest FromFourACES]

>>Your arrogance works best on the message center where you

>have

>>access to the admin features, maybe you should stick with

>what

>>you do best.

>

>I was specifically invited to post here by one of the admins

>of this site.

>

>Are you now claiming ownership and disinviting me?

Not at all. I have no authority here and you know that. Personally, I find your posts entertaining. I always have found your posts entertaining.

But lets just remind everyone that you claimed after your first post that would be your final post, LOL. I believe OZ said you would be back and of course you are back. In fact, you came returned about 10 minutes after your so called last post here. So obviously you know you have an open invitation rom this sites owners.

But I do stand by my statement that you're arrogance works best where others are FORCED to respect your abusive authority.

I look forward to many more posts from you here. And I know I won't be disappointed as you will rack up the counter pretty quickly.

[Guest BewareofNick]

In his novel 1984, George Orwell wrote of a society where everyone was watched and history was rewritten to always make Big Brother right. In much the same manner, Big Brother at the "other" site has rewritten history several times in order to be right (The Great Meltdown, the snatching of the site and its revenues away from Milan, etc)

We all saw the redirect from male4malescorts.com to daddysreviews. I was one of the people who emailed the estate's lawyer and let them know what was going on. The very next day, the domain was parked. Once again, history rewritten to make Big Brother right.

Of course, the alleged agreement between daddy and Hoo cannot be produced as it never existed. Until now, of course, that history has been rewritten.

[TotallyOz]

>> It looks like your site is up

>>and running and doing OK.

>

>Thanks, Oz, and we wish you the best too!

>

>Hitting the Alexa top 100,000 before even opening for business

>was quite a surprise. But we like it. ;-)

Lesson 1:

Don't rely on Alexa rankings, It is of no value. It is a determination of only people who use the Alexa toolbar. It excludes all Mac users.

Example, if I, only one person, put the toolbar on my IE window and I go to the site 150 times a day to check things, Alexa registers that and I can easily move up in the rankings very fast. Alexa is often something used by marketers to show their site is of more value that it is actually worth. Those of us who have been in the business for a long time don't rely on it.

Just a suggestion.