So I tried...

[TotallyOz]

>to become a contributing member of this community but I guess

>it's been decided here that escorts aren't eligible to submit

>reviews

>

>Oh well.

You can contribue in many ways Scott.

May I ask, how many reviews did you submit at M4M?

[Guest deej]

>May I ask, how many reviews did you submit at M4M?

>

One so far, which was accepted and should be published shortly.

But I believe Scott may be overlooking the inherent conflict-of-interest present when accepting reviews from escorts who also advertise here. It can't be an easy situation to be in. The operator is screwed no matter which way he goes.

[Guest Barry]

Agreed Deej. The COI is always a concern. Also this situation has been discussed before at M4M and as I recall if an escort was a paying client hiring another escort it was accepted. If the escort reviewer was playing on someone else's dime, it wasn't.

[Guest ScottAdler]

>May I ask, how many reviews did you submit at M4M?

Ahhh!! CAUGHT! LOL. This was my first review submission. The topic of whether or not escorts had a right to submit reviews had come up on M4M and it had been discussed at length. I was actually on the con side for a bit thinking that as Deej said, it is a conflict of interest.

I think what it comes down to is content. Escorts reviewing other escorts shouldn't ONLY be a positive experience but as an an escort I can see the fear the of retaliations for a negative review. But what brought me to the pro side was the constant debate over who benefits from what reviews. And I feel escorts have a right to know who they're hiring for threeways. This particular trip I was given hiring budgets. Thus I was told I was being given money to hire escorts but if I didn't choose someone I didn't get the money so I technically was hiring with my own money which I think most would find acceptable.

So as long as the review is relevant(it was hired), valid (it actually happened) and informative(it was helpful), I dont think I see a problem in it.

So yeah, I reviewed Chris in Paris because he had no reviews and people NEED to know about him. I intend on reviewing Gabriel Sinclaire for our threeway. I have a couple others that I'll probably review given our threeways as well. But as I mentioned above, unless the experience is COMPLETELY awful I'd probably opt out of writing a negative/mediocre review because of fear of retaliation.

[Guest deej]

ISTR that was how the MC conversations went down, but I don't ever remember it being criteria for accepting reviews.

We've had several instances of this over the years. Remember the spate of reviews submitted by an on-site computer at Premiere? They were blocked for a time until someone at Premiere explained they merely asked their clients if they'd like to submit a review.

It's a slippery slope no matter which way you go, and no matter what decision is made SOMEONE will cry foul. x(

There isn't a "win-win" situation here. Someone will always squeal.

[Guest FourAces]

Oz I hope that the policy is not to accept any reviews from any escort as this thread seems to indicate. Its rare that an escort would actually hire another escort. Even if the review was honest the perception of conflict will always be lingering.

If the escort Scott speaks of in Paris is deserving of a review then one of his clients will eventually do so. Scott has a history of promoting other escorts which is fine however, taking it to the review stage is objectionable.

[Guest TakeTwo]

>This particular trip I was given hiring budgets.

>Thus I was told I was being given money to hire escorts but if

>I didn't choose someone I didn't get the money so I

>technically was hiring with my own money which I think most

>would find acceptable.

I think I’ll just wait for the “clarification” that’s sure to come on what this really means because it’s about as convoluted as anything I’ve read in years.

> But as

>I mentioned above, unless the experience is COMPLETELY awful

>I'd probably opt out of writing a negative/mediocre review

>because of fear of retaliation.

And there is, as they say…The Rub.

So, you would write a “completely awful” review of another escort if that were the experience had, but you would not write a negative or mediocre review of the experience because you would fear retaliation? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Before I open up my front windows and start screaming “Stop the Madness – Stop the Madness” to the many people walking by, let me see if I have this correct, so that I can at least provide my arresting officer with a clear and honest statement down at the ole lock-up.

If your three-way experience with another escort is really, really, really bad – or to use your words “COMPLETELY awful” you will brave all retaliation and warn us all with a review of the “COMPLETELY awful” encounter. But, if the experience is simply negative to mediocre, you won’t write a review because you will then fear the retaliation that you are concerned about.

Do I have this correct? Or could I benefit from a summer remedial reading program?

[TampaYankee]

>it's been decided here that escorts aren't eligible to submit

>reviews

>

>Oh well.

Yes, that is true but is not that it is meant to be secret.

I process all reviews at MER.

Our policy is not to accept reviews by escorts because of confict of interest issues.

Our software is set to decline reviews from MER registered escorts since we have a record of their status. You probably received an email to this effect. As a rule, I dont see them presently, thus I almost overlooked that in the response.

Nonregistered escorts are processed manually like any other review.

I have received only one review from a nonregistered escort, to my knowledge. It was submitted this week and declined in the wee hours this very AM. The escort identified himself with the submission and I recognized the name too. I explained my decision in an email which I will repeat here:

[em]

Hello XXXX,

Thank you for taking the time and effort to submit a review of YYYY.

Regretfully we must decline this review on the basis that we do not accept reviews of escorts by other escorts. The potential for abuse is just too great. There are some that would abuse the process to settle scores even with a positive but slanted review. Also, there are many cynical readers that will immediately dismiss such reviews and other will call it in to question. We feel it is a slippery slope to get into this area.

However, I invite you to post your review in The Buffet Forum where escorts and experiences are discussed. No need for you to get embroiled in the discussion if you do not desire. I hope that you will consider it.

Again, thanks for submitting it to us.

Regards,

TY

[/em]

Other sites may choose other policies. This is our policy. We offer a broader scope of discussion of escorts in our forums than some other sites. That is our choice. If escorts want to give kudos to colleagues that is where we prefer to publish them.

As a follow up, I have received a response from the escort regarding my decision to decline. He puts forth an argument, which I haven't had time to read yet, why our policy should be changed. I will give his reply serious consideration.

[TampaYankee]

>>May I ask, how many reviews did you submit at M4M?

>>

>

>One so far, which was accepted and should be published

>shortly.

>

Congrats deej on broadening your activity scope to the reviews processing.

>But I believe Scott may be overlooking the inherent

>conflict-of-interest present when accepting reviews from

>escorts who also advertise here. It can't be an easy situation

>to be in. The operator is screwed no matter which way he

>goes.

I share with you that Conflict of Interest is a very real concern. Hence our policy not to get involved in calling balls and strkes in an area rife with conflict or the appparent conflict of interest. There really is no difference between the two from the outside looking in. That is the perspective of our readers and the one we have to keep in mind.

[Guest ScottAdler]

Since I can't tell if you are mentally challenged about understanding this apparently difficult concept, really not comprehending a basic premise shared by MANY reviewers as has been discussed on boards for a while, or just making trouble as usual .... I'll elaborate.

COMPLETELY AWFUL = the escort stole something, was NOT even remotely close to his pictures, hiding an STD, lied about what they would and wouldn't do, on drugs.

Negative/Mediocre = Escort obviously is the same person in pictures but doesn't look as good, doesn't stay hard the whole time, tired or quiet, generally unfriendly

A negative/mediocre review is simply (as I've been told by many clients when we discuss negative reviews) not worth writing because it's not worth the hassle attached. Frankly from an escort's point of view, I can totally understand having a bad day something similar.

I hope that clarifies for you.

[TownsendPLocke]

If I might very humbly offer a different take on this.I am friendly with many,many working boys and former working boys.Some have on occassion ordered "for delivery"rather than going out to hunt.

Is there a way these fellows might be accomodated should they wish to post a review?

And at what poin,should a worrking boy retire from his noble calling,could they start reviewing?

I am reminded of the axiom"Todays trade is tommorows competition!"

[TotallyOz]

>Its rare that an

>escort would actually hire another escort.

I don't really think this is the case. When I ran an escort agency many moons ago, I told all my guys to hire at least once. That way, they would know what it is like to be on the other end of the stick.

I know many escorts who hire and I also have a very good friend in NYC who has escorted for MANY years. He is also a well-known porn star. He hires weekly. He is in great shape and sexy. He says it is a lot easier to hire than to go to a bar.

I know of escorts who are hired by 18 year olds. It is not often, but it does happen. Again, I had a friend in NYC who one of his regulars was an NYU student. He went to the boy's dorm room oten.

While, I don't think all escort hire. I do think it is a good idea for them to try it at least once.

[TotallyOz]

>There isn't a "win-win" situation here. Someone will

>always squeal.

Deej,

You are right. It is not a win-win situation. For me, a win-win situation is choosing between Taboo in Montreal and Future Boys in Bangkok. Now, that is a win-win situation.

[TotallyOz]

>Agreed Deej. The COI is always a concern. Also this

>situation has been discussed before at M4M and as I recall if

>an escort was a paying client hiring another escort it was

>accepted. If the escort reviewer was playing on someone

>else's dime, it wasn't.

OK Barry. Ok Deej.

I am a bit slow. All these letters are getting confusing for me. COI, M4M, ISTR, MC. Perhaps I need a new stickie for my computer to keep track of it all. It took me a week to find out what ROFL and TIT stands for.

[Guest Barry]

I'll explain it all to you OZ right after you decide on your next destination. :+

[Guest eastburbguy]

There are a couple possible situations here.

First, escorts do hire other escorts and they have and do submit Reviews which are published, but they submit them using a different handle and do not mention that they're in reality an escort-client. There is one well known escort on M4M who regularly hires when he travels and has submitted several Reviews that way.

Second, in the case of an escort who wants to submit a Review of another escort where both were involved in a 3-way, I'd say let the escort submit the Review but make him disclose whether the client paid (most likely), or whether the escort "technically paid" (as Scott believes he did). Beyond that, let the reader draw his own conclusions.

[TampaYankee]

>I think what it comes down to is content. Escorts reviewing

>other escorts shouldn't ONLY be a positive experience but as

>an an escort I can see the fear the of retaliations for a

>negative review. >...

>So yeah, I reviewed Chris in Paris because he had no reviews

>and people NEED to know about him. I intend on reviewing

>Gabriel Sinclaire for our threeway. I have a couple others

>that I'll probably review given our threeways as well. But as

>I mentioned above, unless the experience is COMPLETELY awful

>I'd probably opt out of writing a negative/mediocre review

>because of fear of retaliation.

IMO you make the poster-boy case for conflict of interest. Intended or not, it is the appearance of a conflict. Your stated motive is publicity, at least one of them. You mention that you will pull punches i.e. not review in certain cases. Your intentions may be completely honorable.

The motivations may or may not be pristine. It cannot be devined from the outside. Escorts swapping PR notices, ingratiating themselves with another hottie for personal reasons, or possibly damning with faint praise. Or an escort relating a really hot time!. Who can tell? Some may know you as the salt of the earth. Others don't know you from Adam.

Then there is the influence on the review by potential retaliation which you admit yourself. You may be able to stand up to it but how about another guy? How are we to know? These are the balls and strikes I dont think it is wise to try to call. Next thing you know charges of favoritism are getting thrown around.

Escorts-on-Escort review is an inherent conflict of interest in fact and appearance. Escorts-on-Escort discussion in the Buffet? Acceptable fare.

That is how I see it.

[TotallyOz]

>I'll explain it all to you OZ right after you decide on your

>next destination. :+

Now, that is a conundrum.

[TampaYankee]

>Is there a way these fellows might be accomodated should they

>wish to post a review?

The are free, nay, they are encouraged to relate their experience in the Buffet.

>And at what poin,should a worrking boy retire from his noble

>calling,could they start reviewing?

Ummm. I think the Federal Governement requires two years on the side line before becoming President of Lockheed. :+

It seems to me resaonable to expect some clear indication of retirement. There are different ways to probe their status. It is up to them to make the case IMO.

[Guest jessedane]

>While, I don't think all escort hire. I do think it is a good

>idea for them to try it at least once.

I agree very much!

My couple of hiring experiences were incredibly fun!

[Guest TakeTwo]

>Since I can't tell if you are mentally challenged about

>understanding this apparently difficult concept, really not

>comprehending a basic premise shared by MANY reviewers as has

>been discussed on boards for a while, or just making trouble

>as usual .... I'll elaborate.

How lovely. Well then Scott, let’s leave ME (retard) out of it and focus upon the thousands of lurkers here, who may not know any better, as you say; those of whom you were so concerned about last night understanding the real you and the real truth about you……

Thanks for your most informative forensic analysis, of your own words and what you were attempting to communicate. Those Riverdance dancers have nothing on you Scott, when it comes to back-stepping and slide slipping – Congratulations to you, perhaps Cirque Du Soleil is still in your future.

Your breakdown of “Completely Awful” v. “Negative/Mediocre” is precisely why YOU in particular (but all escorts in general) should never have a review published containing other escorts. You just can not be honest about so many things you get yourself wrapped up into Scott. You’re making this shit up as you go along to try and defend your embarrassing position about escort on escort reviews, which you have so conveniently changed your stance on (your words) for the purpose of salvaging your face here. How sad.

""A negative/mediocre review is simply (as I've been told by many clients when we discuss negative reviews) not worth writing because it's not worth the hassle attached. Frankly from an escort's point of view, I can totally understand having a bad day something similar.""

Nice move Scott. Now BLAME the client for your point of view. How much more nauseating can you get? Do you really believe that “the client” could really care about the heat that you might take by publishing a negative/mediocre review of another escort, for an encounter that they were never a part of or could even care about? Do you really lack the personal skill sets to think for yourself and to form your own independent set of values that guide your life as apposed to depending upon “clients” to form them for you?

Blaming others for your failed arguments and positions in life will soon be a thing of the past for you Scott. As you get older and grow up, you’ll find that nobody gives a shit about why you are the way that you are. The only thing people care about is that you are who you say that you are. Making a cell call to a client in the middle of a job interview in the real world; asking how to answer a question is not something you ever want to find yourself doing. Having all the answers at 22 (btw – HB) is like having all the answers at 92. You won’t and never will. So chill bro and don’t continue to think that you have to be everything that you’re not. The fact is, you’ll never know what you’re not, until somebody brings it up to you, based upon what you publicly declared and thought you already were. Nobody needs that kind of shit unless that’s what you choose. The spotlight was meant for a few and those few have paid a hefty price for it. Do you really want to write that check?

>COMPLETELY AWFUL = the escort stole something, was NOT even

>remotely close to his pictures, hiding an STD, lied about what

>they would and wouldn't do, on drugs.

>

>Negative/Mediocre = Escort obviously is the same person in

>pictures but doesn't look as good, doesn't stay hard the whole

>time, tired or quiet, generally unfriendly

>

>A negative/mediocre review is simply (as I've been told by

>many clients when we discuss negative reviews) not worth

>writing because it's not worth the hassle attached. Frankly

>from an escort's point of view, I can totally understand

>having a bad day something similar.

>

>I hope that clarifies for you.

More than you'll ever know kiddo.....

[Guest ArVaGuy]

>>Beyond that, let the reader draw his own conclusions.

And the conculsion I would draw for myself is that such reviews hold no credence for me. I don't care if the escort paid, "technically paid", or paid with a client's money. There are too many COI issues realated to this practice.

[Guest BewareofNick]

>IMO you make the poster-boy case for _________________________.

TY, Scott is the psoter boy for many many things. it could be a thread unto itself.

[Guest BewareofNick]

The criterion for posting photos: it must tickle one bone or tingle another. Leave baggage at the door.

[TampaYankee]

There is a serious discussion underway. This cheap shot added nothing to it. In fairness this has not been the first one in this thred. I would pleased if it were the last. Please check it at the door and pick it up on the way out.