HB Message Board now gone too?

[Lucky]

It seems that you have to go the muscleservice site to learn what is happening with Daddy. The Message Center shows up when you go to his new review site.

[Guest VoxPennae]

>It seems that you have to go the muscleservice site to learn

>what is happening with Daddy. The Message Center shows up when

>you go to his new review site.

What obligation does Daddy have to you, or anyone else for that matter, to keep you informed in regard to his intentions? It's his site, he can launch it when he's ready and advertise it in any way, shape. or form he sees fit. I don't see where he has any responsibility to provide you with updates.

[Guest BostonGuy]

Absolutely true.

It's also true that M4M is a business that survives on eyeballs. Just as Daddy is free to do whatever he wants, so, too, are people free to participate or not in his new venture. People walk away from Internet sites all the time -- especially ones they perceive to be arrogant.

Given the existence of the Message Center, keeping people even slightly informed about progress is a zero-cost item, except for the five minutes it might take to write something. But the goodwill that would come from such a gesture might be priceless.

BG

[marcanthony]

Just as Daddy is free to do whatever he wants, so,

>too, are people free to participate or not in his new venture.

> People walk away from Internet sites all the time --

>especially ones they perceive to be arrogant.

Agree 100% BG. And actually been there, done that.

>

>Given the existence of the Message Center, keeping people even

>slightly informed about progress is a zero-cost item, except

>for the five minutes it might take to write something. But

>the goodwill that would come from such a gesture might be

>priceless.

>

Again very very true. But so are the old expressions about leopards not changing their spots and history repeating itself.

[KYTOP]

Because there are many of us here that have contributed content to Hooboy's site since Daddy took over that will be fodder for the new site since he copyrighted those contributions. Also many, like myself, contributed money to Hooboy to help with his site over the years. I realize that was to Hooboy and not Daddy but Hooboy's site has given Daddy his launching pad for a new site. What would Daddy's chances of success be with out what Hooboy created?

I greatly mourn the death of what Hooboy created and his dream that many of us supported, it is a sad day.

[Guest VoxPennae]

>Absolutely true.

>

>It's also true that M4M is a business that survives on

>eyeballs. Just as Daddy is free to do whatever he wants, so,

>too, are people free to participate or not in his new venture.

> People walk away from Internet sites all the time --

>especially ones they perceive to be arrogant.

>

>Given the existence of the Message Center, keeping people even

>slightly informed about progress is a zero-cost item, except

>for the five minutes it might take to write something. But

>the goodwill that would come from such a gesture might be

>priceless.

>

I beg to differ. He's no less arrogant than the posters that have spent the last two years telling him how to run the site.

The new incarnation will have to succeed or fail on it's own. Much like this site or any other.

[Guest BostonGuy]

>>Absolutely true.

>>

>>It's also true that M4M is a business that survives on

>>eyeballs. Just as Daddy is free to do whatever he wants,

>so,

>>too, are people free to participate or not in his new

>venture.

>> People walk away from Internet sites all the time --

>>especially ones they perceive to be arrogant.

>>

>>Given the existence of the Message Center, keeping people

>even

>>slightly informed about progress is a zero-cost item,

>except

>>for the five minutes it might take to write something.

>But

>>the goodwill that would come from such a gesture might be

>>priceless.

>>

>

>

>I beg to differ. He's no less arrogant than the posters that

>have spent the last two years telling him how to run the site.

>

I didn't say Daddy was arrogant. In fact, in my limited interaction with him on the telephone, I found him to be charming, self-effacing, bright, warm and interesting.

But you missed my point. Visitors make or break web sites. Sites that seem warm and engaging usually (not always) do better than ones that are perceived as arrogant. Note the verb "perceived". It doesn't matter if a site's owner is as nice as Santa Claus. If a site is perceived by visitors as being unfriendly, that perception colors how they view the entire site and how often they come back.

>

>The new incarnation will have to succeed or fail on it's own.

>Much like this site or any other.

Well, honestly, I think that's naive. Sites simply don't succeed or fail on their own. They succeed because they offer something that people want. Sites don't exist in a vacuum. The history of the Internet is chock full of good sites that went away for reasons that had nothing much to do at all with the stie's content and/or format.

Daddy is starting out with the (I assume) fairly loyal community that backed M4M. He has the immediate advantage of having the M4M URL point to the new URL. That's a huge strategic advantage. I assume he has the advantage of a large libary of reviews that he can put up on the first day. All of those things are in his favor and I hope he succeeds.

But spending 5 or 10 minutes out of a day being nice to your customers is not a waste of time.

BG

[Guest VoxPennae]

>>>Absolutely true.

Visitors make or break web sites.

>Sites that seem warm and engaging usually (not always) do

>better than ones that are perceived as arrogant. Note the

>verb "perceived". It doesn't matter if a site's

>owner is as nice as Santa Claus. If a site is perceived by

>visitors as being unfriendly, that perception colors how they

>view the entire site and how often they come back.

>

Well that explains the death of Escortspeak. }(

[Guest SouthernMan]

As always, KYT, you are one of the very few voices of reason, logic, reality and compassion, in the maelstrom that is the internet message board!

Just my opinion, but M4M, long ago lost sight of the esteemable HooBoy's stated purposes for the site that bore his moniker!!!

GOD, I MISS HooBoy! Of all the posters there, he was my favorite! and the one that ALWAYS put a smile on my face and made me laugh out loud!

[Guest BewareofNick]

>Well that explains the death of Escortspeak. }(

Escortspeak is alive and well, thanks.

www.escortspeak.com

groups.yahoo.com/group/escortspeak

[Guest mbarz]

After reading Rico's site tonight, I went to the M4M message center and read the exchange between you and deej, Boston Guy and I completely agree with what you are saying.

Daddy has an extreme advantage in making his new website successful, but will probably blow it. One because he has no personality and is to secretive and doesn't appreciate the people that actually keep his business alive; meaning the people that write reviews.

I don't write them or hire escorts, but I've been around now for years,and it appears to me that he almost has a certain disdain for the whole thing. People can defend him and say that he is just a business man, but part of doing business is knowing how to work with people and he doesn't seem to know how or care too.

The other problem, he has is deej. Deej as a spokesperson for any business is bound for failure and anyone that doesn't agree just needs to read that exchange between you and him to understand. Hell, even Lucky was right in that thread and you know that just killed me to say.

Promoting a new website takes more finesse than some arrogant bully telling people to shut-up. I think people will tire of it and realize that this is the better site. In the other post Southern ask why people would support daddy's new site? I hope they don't. the management here is much more friendly and as BON always says there's no deej.

[Guest VoxPennae]

>>Well that explains the death of Escortspeak. }(

>

>Escortspeak is alive and well, thanks.

>

>www.escortspeak.com

>groups.yahoo.com/group/escortspeak

Yes, some cancers do tend to recur.

[Guest mbarz]

BoN, why do I get the feeling this Vox guy should be busing tables some where?

[Guest Conway]

Oh, I'm still here if you're suggesting that the new poster is me.

And for the most part, I agree with your assessment of the potential success of any new venture under the leadership of daddy and deej. It's doomed for failure due to a lack of good customer service focus.

That's the same reason escortspeak has never amounted to more than a hill of shit.

[Guest BewareofNick]

>And for the most part, I agree with your assessment of the

>potential success of any new venture under the leadership of

>daddy and deej. It's doomed for failure due to a lack of good

>customer service focus.

Conway, you might not be a busboy, but you certainly could be the all knowing garbageman from "Dilbert". Actually, I agree with you. deej's attitude towards Boston Guy and anyone else who dares question him is going to be what dooms that site. deej has never been able to understand how a site admin should act and certainly hasn't changed since "The Great Meltdown"

>That's the same reason escortspeak has never amounted to more

>than a hill of shit.

We actually refer to it as a hill of "Conway"

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[Guest BewareofNick]

Welcome back Ethan/eric/TheReasonPeopleHateLawyers

[Guest VoxPennae]

>

>That's the same reason escortspeak has never amounted to more

>than a hill of shit.

Uh....I would not call escortspeak a 'hill of shit'. It's more like a leper colony and a low rent one at that.

[Guest BewareofNick]

>as BON always says there's no deej.

Indeed, and it is the deej factor that will keep the new site from being successful. Imagine if deej had been selected as a mod/admin here. This site owuld already be dead. Instead, both Tampa and Oz have been gentlemanly, professional and above all friendly. THIS is the true gentleman's club that we derided over at M4M, because over there it was fake. Then, in another master stroke, Oz and TY bring over Barry, the only mod with integrity at M4m, and sign him up here.

Hooboy would be very proud of MER. It is his spiritual heir.

[Guest mbarz]

>Oh, I'm still here if you're suggesting that the new poster

>is me.

>

LOL, Conway, I was just trying to see if you were still around...simmer down...just kidding.

>And for the most part, I agree with your assessment of the

>potential success of any new venture under the leadership of

>daddy and deej. It's doomed for failure due to a lack of good

>customer service focus.

>

It will be a disaster. They're already off to a great start today by taking the message center off line. Rico is saying it was daddy, but that has deej's childish behavior written all over it.

>That's the same reason escortspeak has never amounted to more

>than a hill of shit.

Escortspeak wasn't trying to be anything more than what it was, we never pretended otherwise, but we can come here, now, to this message center and follow it's rules. You don't have to bring it up everytime you converse with one of us in a thread. I think it's time to let it go Conway, I can give up the busboy bullshit, can you give up the shit about escortspeak?

[Guest mbarz]

>>

>>That's the same reason escortspeak has never amounted to

>more

>>than a hill of shit.

>

>

>Uh....I would not call escortspeak a 'hill of shit'. It's

>more like a leper colony and a low rent one at that.

If it was a leper a colony wouldn't you have been there? Oh, but that's right you were there....doesn't it get hard keeping track of all your screen names...especially with your mental condition.

[TotallyOz]

This message moved to new thread by Oz:

See 'Transition to History'

[Guest eastburbguy]

My link tells me it's parked with godaddy.com.

And for those not in the "domain name know", godaddy has nothing to do with daddy at HB. ;-)

[Guest BostonGuy]

Nicely said... (seems like I've been saying that to you a lot recently!)

It is sad, in a way, but life moves on. It was clear from the beginning to any careful observer, that it was about money and business. There's nothing wrong with that at all: it's what drives most of the things we do each day, from the goods we consume (including literally) to the services we use or provide or the entertainment we seek.

I've always wished Daddy good luck in his venture. I know that some others haven't felt that way, but I have never been privvy to any details or information that would make me change my mind. And so I wish him luck, just as I would wish any new enterprise luck. Running a business can be a lot of work, even for experienced people, and many businesses don't succeed. I hope his does.

From that point of view, not publicizing the new domain name much, much earlier may have been a strategic mistake. Something like 600 people have logged into the new Message Center since its inception. One has to think that there are probably a couple thousand more who have just lurked. But those numbers are a far cry from the traffic that I think M4M used to generate on a daily basis. He has to be hoping that a lot of people saw the new URL before the M4M domain was parked. But perhaps he has a publicity campaign in place or other tricks up his sleeve. Perhaps he's willing to just be patient and let it grow; there are worse strategies.

But the fact that the new domain name wasn't publicized earlier makes me wonder if you are correct in thinking that all that has unfolded in the last few days was actually planned in advance. Perhaps the timing, at least, was a surprise.

BG

[TampaYankee]

Office moves almost always happen after hours, often in the dead of night. Maybe one of the movers or a friend had more information than they could contain? Often it is insufficient for those in-the-know to know unless others know that they know. Or maybe a passerby walking down the street noticed a sign over a shop in progress and recognized the significance. Is is interesting to note a choice was made to announce the new domain at another site rather than the MC -- but then that was your point wasn't it.

Also interesting is how the MC, part of the HooBoy site, made it into one of the moving crates. Site owership has been in contention all along, obviously. Because the male4malescorts.com domain did not change hands, I assume that the ownership issue remained unresolved.

However, the Message Center had to reside somewhere. It would be a shame to loose the legacy that it contains. Some of the disscussion archived in it ages much better than escort reviews.

[Guest BostonGuy]

> Some of the

>disscussion archived in it ages much better than escort

>reviews.

Yup.

BG