Re: Seriously, what happened here?

[Guest straycat]

> BofN:

>

>A few weeks ago (has it been that long already?), you and I

>agreed to put the past behind us and move forward, agreeing to

>disagree where necessary.

To agree to disagree doesn't promote conversation, it ends it.

Since people such as Drey, Trilingual, MarcAnthony, Firecat, TampaYankee, TotallyOz and others left Hooboy's site I cannot find any meaningful adult exchanges. I can hardly find any shared information.

I read posts by BigguyPasadena, OneFinger, Lucky, FriendnofShela, Jackhammer, Skrubber and Chuck50 but only can find a few photos posted from the Olympics, birthday alerts and yesterday's headline reprinted (anyone else notice it's ok to reprint copy-written text there but not pics?). I also find attacks on a blogger to be quite widespread yet these are suppose to be the civil people, right?

The days when thread after thread were filled with poster sharing their knowledge are long gone. There definitely was an element of people who didn't make certain threads fun, but as an adult, I simply ignored them and moved on to the threads I found of interest to me.

During the past 8 months I've tried to sign up to post at Hooboy's site. Three attempts failed and two letters to daddy went unanswered. I felt the lack of interest and apparent disrespect from the manager of the site was a reflection on the attitude of the site; thus I did not pursue membership further.

I'm pleased this site has come about. I'm more pleased that certain people on Hooboy's site claim they won't post here because Oz owns bareback.com domain. I don't want people who cannot make a distinction between business and reality to clutter this board with their shit.

Just my adult thoughts.

[Guest BostonGuy]

>I have a friend that if you ask him what time it is, he'll

>tell you how to manufacture a watch. I wonder why I am

>remided of him. ;-)

>

So noted. :-)

>So noted, Boston Guy. The Church Ladies sobriquet is indeed

>as you described above, but with one important exception. It

>is not now nor has it ever been used to intimidate anyone or

>stifle (Ahh jeez Edith, ya dingbat) conversation. I certainly

>never took the Mean Girls name that way. Heck, I even made

>it my avatar. However, the use of the CL name is best

>relegated to the past and so there I shall leave it.

>

>I want this site to be a free exchange of ideas. However,

>fear of a message center, or of participation in one, seems a

>little too "drama queen" for my tastes. Even when i

>was a pariah on M4M, i stayed on posting until things changed

>back around for me. The only thing we have to fear is fear

>itself (or deej in a strapless teddy, but I digress).

LOL. And thanks.

BG

[Guest BostonGuy]

Yup. :-) :-)

BG

[Guest BostonGuy]

>> BofN:

>>

>>A few weeks ago (has it been that long already?), you and

>I

>>agreed to put the past behind us and move forward,

>agreeing to

>>disagree where necessary.

>

>To agree to disagree doesn't promote conversation, it ends

>it.

>

Not really. Friends do it all the time.

One of my best friends is a died-in-the-wool conservative Republican. He's also one of the nicest, most generous guys I have ever known. He has a great sense of humor and we laugh together every day as we discuss this or that.

Except politics. He's as conservative as I am liberal on most issues, except that we sort of tend to meet in the middle on fiscal matters. But we don't generally discuss politics. We've been there, done that and aren't about to change each other. We respect each other's views and just agree to disagree on most political issues. Once in a great while, we'll end up in some political argument that's starting to get heated. And then we look at each other and start laughing and move on. We just agree to disagree and that lets us have great conversations every day on things that we'd rather talk about anyway.

>Since people such as Drey, Trilingual, MarcAnthony, Firecat,

>TampaYankee, TotallyOz and others left Hooboy's site I cannot

>find any meaningful adult exchanges. I can hardly find any

>shared information.

>

M4M seems to go through various cycles. There were times in the past when I thought it was about to die. I'm sort of surprised it's still going strong. Who knows what the future holds? But I hope it survives and flourishes. People have been predicting its demise for almost a year and it seems to be doing ok, with what seems to me to be an average number of new posts and new threads. But that's only from the outside looking in.

>I read posts by BigguyPasadena, OneFinger, Lucky,

>FriednofShela, Jackhammer, Skrubber and Chuck50 and only can

>find a few photos posted from the Olympics, birthday alerts

>and yesterday's headline reprinted (anyone else notice it's ok

>to reprint copy-written text there but not pics?). I also find

>attacks on a blogger to be quite widespread yet these are

>suppose to be the civil people, right?

>

>The days when thread after thread were filled with poster

>sharing their knowledge are long gone. There definitely was an

>element of people who didn't make certain threads fun, but as

>an adult, I simply ignored them and moved on to the threads I

>found of interest to me.

>

>During the past 8 months I've tried to sign up to post at

>Hooboy's site. Three attempts failed and two letters to daddy

>went unanswered. I felt the lack of interest and apparent

>disrespect from the manager of the site was a reflection on

>the attitude of the site; thus I did not pursue membership

>further.

>

That's the second (third? fourth?) message here relating information from someone who says that they tried to sign up but couldn't. I'm surprised to hear it and disappointed.

>I'm pleased this site has come about. I'm more pleased that

>certain people on Hooboy's site claim they won't post here

>because Oz owns bareback.com domain. I don't want people who

>cannot make a distinction between business and reality to

>clutter this board with their shit.

>

>Just my adult thoughts.

Well, I hope both sites do well. One would think there would be enough posters to go around.

BG

[Guest BewareofNick]

>During the past 8 months I've tried to sign up to post at

>Hooboy's site. Three attempts failed and two letters to daddy

>went unanswered. I felt the lack of interest and apparent

>disrespect from the manager of the site was a reflection on

>the attitude of the site; thus I did not pursue membership

>further.

The reason for the difficulty in registration is that they are afraid that you might be me or 4Aces. I know with several of my screennames it took over a month to get them activated. Some were not, some were ignored and others got through no problem, but my overall experience was much like yours.

[TotallyOz]

>The reason for the difficulty in registration is that they are

>afraid that you might be me or 4Aces. I know with several of

>my screennames it took over a month to get them activated.

Well, I guess that could be the reason. However, they have great moderators there that monitor everything very well. Do you really think that this was the reason?

From a business perspective, would it not make more sense that if you want to purchase something that increasing the value of the commodity will cause you to pay more for it? There are so many theories about why certain decisions are made but if you follow the money trail, you will often be more enlightened.

[seaboy4hire]

Hmmmm now it all makes sence. Ya I can be a little slow at times but you just filled in all the blanks or at least most of them Oz. Thanks bunches!

Hugs,

Greg

[Guest ArVaGuy]

>

>It is becoming more friendly only because it bans people who

>post against what the admin wants others to hear. Many are

>also having a hard time to get screennames as many requests

>are just ignored. While this isn't relevant to the people

>currently posting, it does not open up the discussions to

>others with varying views. I do feel that many of the

>discussions there are valuable and needed. I have never

>stated differently. I hope that you continue to post here and

>there. There is room for more than one site about male

>escorts and there is room for more forum boards on the

>subject.

>

>I don't think anyone involved in this site wants a hate

>spewing place of malicious gossip and people bashing. None of

>the moderators here want that. We have all stated that we

>want a place where information can be shared and legitimate

>discussions can be had. We are still new so there are few of

>those things being discussed. It will happen!! Thank you for

>providing decent conversation.

Oz,

I appreciate what you have had to say here in regard to this subject matter. I take you at your word when you state that you and the moderators do not want this site to turn into a hate mongering place where people get bashed every time they post something. Furthermore, I think it’s beneficial to this site and M4M that Barry has volunteered to moderate for both sites.

Based on my experience with several different boards each one takes on its own personality and that issues ebb and flow from time to time. I lurked on M4M for nearly two years before posting. I have seen blow ups over there instigated by many of the same individuals who decry how that site has declined without their presence.

When I read Doug’s posting over there I took it to mean that he wishes for the site to be more to his likening and posted a response to that effect. It’s perfectly fine that he feels that way and its also valid that users and management of M4M, or this site for that matter, have determined the environment they wish to post in and just because he or others don’t like it is well….tough luck.

The internet is a big place and there’s room for everyone somewhere. This site is obviously an attempt to fill a niche in the realm of male escort and client web sites. I have lurked over here, checked it out from time to time, and made a few posts as well. Thus far, for me at least, the jury is still out and it’s too early to tell where this is going as a resource for clients and forum for discussion. That’s not a bad thing either as this site is still in its embryonic stages continuing to develop.

I speculate that there are a number of individuals who, like me, are watching this site and waiting to see where it goes. This site has yet to encounter the rancor that led to the blowup and shut down of M4M for a time. However, the internet being what it is, there is a possibility that one day something may occur that will lead to some heated exchanges. How you all choose to handle that situation will be an indicator for many as to whether they will participate here or not.

Thus far I like what I see and hope that the site continues to grow and develop. To that end I have submitted an escort review and hope to contribute more in the future.

ArVaGuy

[Guest FourAces]

>People can disagree without demeaning others. They can do so

>forcefully. If their ideas are strong and well-stated, others

>will gravitate to their side. But we've seen at EscortSpeak

>what happens when all of the rules are dropped and people are

>encouraged to speak their mind in any way they want: ideas

>are stifled, the atmosphere is unpleasant and most people want

>to have nothing to do with the place. It's not for nothing

>that society has evolved standards for public discourse over

>the last few thousand years. People need to be able to

>communicate with each other and if everyone walked around

>talking like the posters at EscortSpeak, far less would be

>communicated and the violent crime rate would probably

>skyrocket. It might be more amusing to outside observers as

>they observe each conversation, but providing amusement to

>others is not generally the measure of a good conversation.

>

>BG

Using escortspeak as a sign of validity for HB's message center is really getting old. This is about the 200th post on escortspeak and what a terrible place it is therefore HB's MC is great. Escortspeak is so terrible that over 5000 unique people, on average, a month continue to visit. Obviously it's still offering content that people are interested in, regardless of their reason.

I turned the admin duties over to xxxx (EBG) a mere 3 weeks after I began the forum ... I do still proudly own 50% of the domain. In fact, I own approximately 40 domain names, several are quite popular, and share ownership in another dozen. Now, I realize Oz will look at this and laugh at the little domain owner want-to-be but its a secondary business for me Besides it supports my pizza habit.

Regardless of the reasons xxxx (EBG) has chosen not to maintain escortspeak or increase the value of escortspeak it still is very much undead. He has allowed it to continue with the unedited theme for reasons only known to him. BG here we somewhat agree. My goal for the site was not what people view now. The fat TampaYankee, Is Lucky Dead posts were nowhere in my plans. The few who've actually met me know I'm a very laid back guy, easy to be around and enjoy life. They know that evil theme is not my style.

xxxx (EBG) and I disagreed on how the site should be run (post the initial venting period) that disagreement and at the time my health issues were the only reason I turned the site over to him. It was more important for me to remain friends with xxxx (EBG) than to argue over escortspeak. But he apparently has little time to devote to the site and I've asked him to return the admin duties back to me.

On other related topics within this thread I wish I was as important as BoN mentioned. People not having their accounts activated in fear it might be me, lol. I currently post, when I want, at HB's site and always keep 3 or 4 backup user names just in case they're needed.

It's obvious to anybody with a solid knowledge of business what daddy is doing to the site. Oz mentioned he feels daddy is doing a good job maintaining the site, I completely disagree.

Since HB's death we have witnessed daddy removing all historical reviews; taking down every picture on the site yet no other like site was doing that, change the links to escort reviews, stop posting reviews on weekends; shut down the message center, ban people from the site; stop the posting of copyrighted pics (as someone else noted in this thread) but allows copyrighted print; not activate various people's message center names. Is this the mark of a man doing a good job, I don't think it is. I'm not complaining, in fact, I really don't care. I'm simply pointing out fact. And of course the most distrubing fact of all stealing the site from Milan.

I have been with HB's site from the start, I mean the very start, when it was hosted on one of the free services. When HB spammed Usenet groups to gain visitors. The site is a visual mess, I know 14 year olds that can build nicer and more interactive sites. The key to the sites overwhelming success was HB! His personality drove the site.

Doug is partially correct in his post. One has to wonder what happened there. But based on the responses each tme a Doug or Woodlawn make a post at HB's MC I wonder if they really have the forums that they want ... I don't think so.

Happy Birthday (fill in a name)!

[em]Please, no first names. It really doesn't add to the post other than to indicate you are on a first-name basis, and if germane then that simply could have been stated. Thanks. [/em]

[Guest jackhammer91406]

I have enjoyed reading this discussion. I think each person has presented his views on this subject in a respectful and adult manner.

Opinions are like statistics. They are sometimes twisted to suit the beliefs of the individual. While opinions sometimes only show THAT perspective, the opinion itself can be informative.

I doubt that I will ever be able to purge my "jones" for Hooboy's. It was the place I first felt open to being myself. It's like your first crush or something.

I also enjoy a diverse discussion and am truly sorry to see so many banned or departing. My bottom line wish has always been for people to be able to discuss anything in an adult manner. I don't have any input into how HBMC is run, but you have to admit, for a while there, some were running wild as if to test where the line was drawn and how far one could go before action would be taken. the dialogues and flame wars got out of hand. As this subject has become the argument De rigor across the gay band, the world goes on. some sites have been started just to be the anti HBMC. Some sites exist only to take pot shots at HBMC members. When a site can have THAT kind of impact, that speaks volumes.

Some say they can't speak freely at HBMC. I think that's somewhat unfair. If a car alarm goes off and the sirens blare for a time, there will be complaints about the noise. No one would suggest the car owner not use the alarm. Just be more mindful of the noise. For some, HBMC became the venue for venting every spleenful thing people could think of. Once that started, the monikers, name-calling, and strange stalker like behavior began as well.

This site so far seems to have managed a balance that has allowed people to express their unhappines with all things Hooboy, and still not cross the line of civility. I think that's WAY cool. Let's have diversity, let's have discussion and yes, even disagreement. But keep the balance as well.

[TampaYankee]

>>God bless Hooboy. For his sake, shouldn't this just all

>be

>>shut down already? Please put it out of its misery.[/i]

>

>With this I totally disagree. I loved the man and he did a

>great deal for many people including me. To shut down his site

>would be a disgrace. I think it should stay and it should

>continue.

I’m in total agreement with you OZ.

>

>Daddy has done a good job with posting new reviews. He has

>done a good job at letting Barry, Cooper and DeeJ monitor the

>site.

More agreement here.

> There is no need to shut the site down. It has much

> more to offer many.

I would hate to see the passing of the site. I still have strong sentimental feelings about the site that played a pivotal role in my ‘Coming Of Age’ for my gay life. Without the site I have no doubt that it never would have happened. Yes, I retain strong sentimental feelings.

It remains a viable venue for many who come together for discussion. It remains the established frontrunner for male escort reviews.

It also has a wealth of interesting and insightful information about escorts, escorting, travel destinations, and personalities. Lots about personalities. Summed up: hundreds of hours of recorded information and entertainment for those that want to discover or revisit it.

IMO it also had accumulated significant flaws and shortcomings that over time caused me to loose interest, as an active participant. Maybe sometime I will share my perspective on that but for now I want to go on record that even though I choose not to participate there anymore, I do wish it continued life. More than that, I wish it a continued vibrant life under a management that really cares about the site and its mission and legacy, and that cares about its membership.

[TotallyOz]

>It's obvious to anybody with a solid knowledge of business

>what daddy is doing to the site. Oz mentioned he feels daddy

>is doing a good job maintaining the site, I completely

>disagree.

Actually what I said was: "Daddy has done a good job with posting new reviews. He has done a good job at letting Barry, Cooper and DeeJ monitor the site."

I don't think I said that he is doing a good job at maintaining the site. I have said from the beginning that the site is being changed for a purpose. The little subtle things that happen often go unnoticed by many but they are not in the best benefit of the site. This should be so obvious to all.

You will never hear me publicly express what I really think is happening behind the scenes of M4M or with the estate issues as I have given my word to keep quiet on many of them. I just dole out some information that is public knowledge and leave it to others to deciide what they think.

[TotallyOz]

>Ya I can be a little slow at

>times but you just filled in all the blanks or at least most

>of them Oz. Thanks bunches!

>

>Hugs,

>Greg

Greg,

You are so very welcome. However, I don't think you are slow at all. I think it was you that first posted my connection to CrazyCalm over at escort speak. I also believe this was REALLY fast after our launch and at the same time as the Rentboy convention in Vegas. You are many things Greg. But, slow is not one of them.

You are too fast for me. You are also very sexy and witty. I enjoy your posts. But, I never would have thought slow. If you want to know slow, drive down south in Georgia. Not in Atlanta but in one of the smaller cities. That is slow. I kind of like that life occassionally.

Hugs,

Oz

[seaboy4hire]

>>Ya I can be a little slow at

>>times but you just filled in all the blanks or at least

>most

>>of them Oz. Thanks bunches!

>>

>>Hugs,

>>Greg

>

>Greg,

>

>You are so very welcome. However, I don't think you are slow

>at all. I think it was you that first posted my connection to

>CrazyCalm over at escort speak. I also believe this was

>REALLY fast after our launch and at the same time as the

>Rentboy convention in Vegas. You are many things Greg. But,

>slow is not one of them.

>

>You are too fast for me. You are also very sexy and witty. I

>enjoy your posts. But, I never would have thought slow. If

>you want to know slow, drive down south in Georgia. Not in

>Atlanta but in one of the smaller cities. That is slow. I

>kind of like that life occassionally.

>

>Hugs,

>

>Oz

Thanks for the sweet words Oz. I haven't been that far south just to Memphis and thought they moved a lil slow but all the same nice considering the reason why I was there. Atlanta is on my list of places to go to and maybe just might head over there durring my tour of the states this summer. That is providing I don't run out of cash

Hugs,

Greg

[Stevehome_99]

These posts are so old?! Anything ever deleted?

[Lucky]

On 8/16/2018 at 8:57 PM, Stevehome_99 said:

These posts are so old?! Anything ever deleted?

Be careful! They may begin with you!

[Lucky]

I added a smiley face in the post above, but was told I was not allowed to!

[TownsendPLocke]

This is a very interesting look into the wayback machine that is the internet. Amazing to think of what was going on in my own life at that time and what I would have done differently if I could have looked into the future. 

a couple of the above posters are (real life) dead and a few have either changed internet personas or are no longer posting on Boytoy.com .

My life and my circumstances have changed a great deal - as I am sure many of the long time posters on this site have also.

[JKane]

2 hours ago, TownsendPLocke said:

This is a very interesting look into the wayback machine that is the internet. Amazing to think of what was going on in my own life at that time and what I would have done differently if I could have looked into the future. 

a couple of the above posters are (real life) dead and a few have either changed internet personas or are no longer posting on Boytoy.com .

My life and my circumstances have changed a great deal - as I am sure many of the long time posters on this site have also.

 

Us survivors should gather in WeHo for a dinner like the old times!

 

[Lucky]

I wonder why, if Steve Home finds these threads old and no longer valuable, why he keeps resurecting hem. Why not find something better to do?