PeterRS Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Its crystal ball time. Although Thailands domestic carriers can operate from tomorrow, the restrictions including social distancing mean that capacity can only be about 50%. I havent looked at fares but the Bangkok Post reckoned these would rise by 50%. Not surprising. In the USA, the average internal flight now only has 17 passengers. What of international airlines? When will they be allowed to land at DMK and BKK? What will their fares be like? How many will want to travel? Most of the fleets of international airlines have been mothballed and many staff either laid off or taking early retirement. Will passengers from certain countries be banned for longer than others? In Asia, Vietnam and Taiwan appear to have controlled the covid19 virus far better than others. Since all air routes depend on passengers flying in both directions, will flights out of Hanoi and Taipei be safer than the return legs on the same aircraft? Aircraft orders have all but collapsed with Airbus and Boeing both in trouble. Boeing still has a huge mess on its hands with yet more recently discovered 737 Max flaws still unresolved and Boeing itself advising the flight to obtain regulatory approval has been pushed back again. Now it is likely to take place in August. Since this must be the 6th or 10th date given by the manufacturer, the chances of its being delayed again must be high. Southwest has already announced the postponement of its introduction to October 30. Thats not the manufacturers only problem though. It seems that if it cannot deliver aircraft within 12 months of the date in the contract, airlines can cancel orders at no penalty. With the planes receiving such a negative public image, Boeing had orders for 150 of the aircraft cancelled in March alone. How many more customers will cancel? And what will Boeing do if its cash cow is unable to persuade the public that it is in fact safe? Would you fly in the plane? Despite the success of its A320 Neo and A350 aircraft, Airbus is also facing blank order books and is bleeding cash. Then there is the collapse of the price of oil. Since the A320 Neo and the 737 Max were sold on the basis of there being more fuel efficient than existing models, presumably that claim is far less important than it was last year now that oil will make up a much smaller percentage of flight costs. Both aircraft were developed to make single aisle travel across longer distances possible more cheaply. Would I want to take a n 8 hour flight on a single aisle aircraft? Frankly no! Then, will the oil price reduction make 4 engine planes now more efficient? Is there a chance the Airbus A380 could be reprieved? Who would run an airline! splinter1949, captainmick and eurasian 2 1 Quote
vinapu Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 5 hours ago, PeterRS said: Would I want to take a n 8 hour flight on a single aisle aircraft? Frankly no! I once flew Miami- Santiago de Chile with stopover in Guayaquil aboard 737 and it was quite bearable Quote
TotallyOz Posted May 3, 2020 Posted May 3, 2020 I would not rely on the price of oil staying low or consistent. I do think travel will bounce back and the industry will recover. In the USA, the airlines are getting lots of money, I don't agree with that. But, I do think they have to shift their operations for the near future. Quote
reader Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Excerpted from CNN Travel How expensive will air travel be after the Covid-19 crisis? (CNN) — When the state of Florida began enacting stay-at-home measures and closing beaches in mid-March, in response to the threat of Covid-19, Miami-based real estate agent and artist Nadia Bouzid was in the middle of painting a mural inside a new hotel in Cancun, Mexico. Putting down the paintbrush, she picked up her phone and began searching airfares to return home. "I watched a seat on the flight I wanted go from $200 to $70, to $350," Bouzid tells CNN Travel. "I booked it and flew, but the flight was spookily empty. I was panicking, and the changing price made me wonder how much I'd be paying to return to finish my work, when all this is over." As countries formulate plans towards reopening borders and businesses, and airlines begin to see a return of passenger traffic, Bouzid's question is pertinent. What will airfares be like, when "all this" is over? Social distancing means fewer seats sold, so will airfares go higher? Delta Air Lines is blocking middle seats and capping flight loads through June 30 for social distancing, allowing only 50 to 60% of available seats on a flight to be booked. Other airlines adopting similar controls include Emirates, American Airlines, Japan Airlines, United, Wizz Air and more. Many other airlines are allowing bookings as normal, with one going so far as attempting to have passengers pay to observe social distancing. On May 4, ultra-low-cost US carrier Frontier Airlines announced a "More Room" fee, purchasable for flights between May 8 and August 31. With this fee, a passenger could pay from $39 each way to guarantee that the middle seat stays unoccupied. The fee lasted all of 48 hours; late on May 6, the airline rescinded the plan after it received criticism from members of the United States Congress. Nonetheless, it's IATA, the global airline trade association, that wants to have the last word on the issue of social distancing on aircraft. Its May 5 press release advocates against forcing airlines to block middle seats. "IATA is essentially saying that airlines' financial health matters more than the health of their employees or customers," says Henry Harteveldt, airline analyst at Atmosphere Research Group. "That press release includes an estimate that airfares will have to increase if carriers are required to leave middle seats open. If demand remains low, and airlines have to compete for a limited number of travelers, airfares will likely use low fares to attract as many travelers as they're able." "Fear and trust will be the two emotions at the forefront of people's minds when planning a trip, and if a person doesn't feel an airline adequately respects their health, they will find an airline that does." Oil prices are dropping, so will airfares go lower? Blended and refined, crude oil becomes the jet fuel needed to literally power aviation. Airlines levy fuel surcharges to help pay for it, which are included in the final ticket price as a "YQ" fee, which accounts for variations in fuel cost. At the end of April, prices for barrels of crude oil dropped off a cliff. For a standard British Airways economy round-trip ticket between London and Johannesburg for a trip in August 2020, the YQ fuel surcharge is £189, 30% of the total £610 airfare (that's a $229 surcharge making up a $737 fare). Would British Airways seek to pass potential savings on jet fuel prices to passengers, by removing or lessening fuel surcharges? If only it was so simple. "Jet fuel typically accounts for 20-25% of an airline's operating expenses," Manoel Suhet tells CNN Travel. Suhet, CEO at Business Traveler Deals and a former airline executive with a background in international oil distribution, weighs that if crude oil and jet fuel prices continue to decline, air carriers may benefit from this lower price environment, but it will hardly be immediate. "Many airlines use fuel hedging to minimize the risk of fuel price volatility by agreeing to purchase a certain amount of oil in the future at a set price," says Suhet. "And the airlines are adapting these strategies to the current climate, to improve cash-flow position by streamlining costs." In other words, even though oil is cheap, jet fuel still needs to be refined from it, a process that adds to the price, and laying out cash right now to buy future fuel isn't exactly at the top of an airline's to-do list. Destinations need tourism, so will there be airfare deals? Uncertainty breeds hesitation and, for some, even shockingly low airfares may not be enough to inspire bookings until the health and economic situations of destinations stabilize. Kathy Kass, a New York City lawyer and fitness blogger, typically travels internationally every month and likes to monitor airfare deals. In March, she began canceling planned trips and holding off on planning others: "I was rebooking for late June into early July, thinking things have to be okay by then, but now I'm sitting with vouchers for a few airlines and I don't really want to collect more." She has been tempted, however. On April 29, travel blogs kicked up a frenzy over an $840 round-trip business class deal from Canada or Mexico to Bali, Indonesia, a ticket that typically prices more than four times that amount. Kass decided not to book. "I've always wanted to visit Bali, but I just don't know what the situation will be," she tells CNN Travel. "I don't want to put myself in harm's way. I also don't know what's going on in Indonesia, and don't know when Bali will again be ready for guests." Such sentiments will prove major obstacles to tourism revival, and the Italian island of Sicily has already announced their plan to overcome this hesitation and grease a return for holidaymakers. The Times of London reports that Sicily's regional government has set aside €50 million for paying half of airfares and one of every three hotel nights for visitors, while also including free entry to museums and archaeological sites. The caveat? Travelers willing to take advantage must holiday in Sicily this year, following the opening of Italy's borders to foreign tourists, and that date hasn't yet been set. Asiana Airlines is taking a similarly forgiving stance, promoting ticket sales with the promise of "buy now, fly any date." Book a flight from the United States to South Korea on Asiana and the airline will waive change fees not only once, a conciliation that has become standard among airlines during COVID, but up to three times. Airlines are adjusting for demand, so will airfares stay the same? In the heart of Australia's red center, at an airport more accustomed to welcoming tour groups bound for Uluru, the tarmac has transformed into a museum to modern Singaporean commercial aviation. More than $5 billion worth of aircraft are parked at Alice Springs Airport, from Singapore A380s and 777s, to Scoot 787s and SilkAir 737s. It's hopefully not "goodbye," but "see you later" for these planes, as the arid environment of the Outback helps keep them ready to resume service. But, for many other aircraft, the Covid-19 crisis will see them go gently into a good night. Virgin Atlantic has sped up the retirement of their 747 and A340-600 fleets, while also closing a base at London-Gatwick. KLM is saying goodbye to its iconic 747s sooner than planned, and American Airlines had a busy April retiring its 757, 767, E190 and A330-300 fleets (though some AA 767s are still flying as makeshift cargo planes). And, as planes leave the skies, so do flight and cabin crew. In a May note to the pilots of United Airlines, as obtained by Simple Flying, Bryan Quigley, senior vice president of flight operations at United, shares the sobering fact that United pilots currently outnumber passengers: "On average we are only carrying about 10,000 passengers per day...we currently have more pilots than passengers on any given day." This is hardly the leading edge of aviation sector jobs cuts; some airlines have been slicing staff for weeks, with Ryanair planning to lay off 3,000, British Airways furloughing more than 30,000, and Lufthansa Group placing 80,000 workers on reduced hours, all by the start of May. The note went on to state that United would be "displacing" 4,457 out of 12,250 pilots as of June 30. So, how expensive will air travel be? After the Covid-19 crisis ends and Nadia Bouzid goes to book a one-way economy flight back to Cancun to finish her mural, the price of the ticket may be $70, but it could also be $200 or $350. Airfares will continue to respond to supply and demand, but the possibility of tourism promotions or the need to purchase social distance on planes are emerging -- provisionally, at least -- as forces destined to push prices a little lower, or a little higher. Opinions on what are or are not good deals on tickets and the decision to purchase will, as before, still be up to you, the traveler. eurasian 1 Quote
reader Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 From CNBC Delta to retire Boeing 777s, seeks to burn zero cash by end of 2020 Delta Air Lines said Thursday it aims to eliminate its daily cash burn by the end of the year and will retire its fleet of Boeing 777s, a sign it doesn’t expect a quick return of long-haul international travel as coronavirus continues to batter demand. The Atlanta-based airline said it has halved its daily cash burn to $50 million a day, on schedule, as it cut flights and reduced other expenses amid the pandemic. “Our principal financial goal for 2020 is to reduce our cash burn to zero by the end of the year, which will mean, for the next two to three years, a smaller network, fleet and operation in response to substantially reduced customer demand,” CEO Ed Bastian said in a staff memo. Demand for international flights has plunged because of the disease, travel restrictions and shelter-in-place orders, and airlines have slashed those routes. “With international travel expected to return slowly, we’ve also made the difficult decision to permanently retire our Boeing 777 fleet – 18 aircraft – by the end of the year,” Bastian told staff. He said more “fuel-efficient and cost-effective” A330s and A350-900 planes, made by Airbus will be used instead. “Retiring a fleet as iconic as the 777 is not an easy decision – I know it has a direct impact on many of you who fly, crew and service these jets.” Quote
ggobkk Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 I receive a news alert when airfares to/from the SF Bay Area are lowered. I didn't opt for one when they increased... In the past weeK I've received notices of availabilities in the $400-$500 range for Viet Nam, Cambodia, Hong Kong, Thailand, the UK, Turkey...the offers had to be booked within a week of the notice, but could be booked for almost anytime in the next 8 months. vinapu 1 Quote