Half a million dollars US to gogo boy..

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, DivineMadman said:

 

Now I need to go figure out if I'm part-year Bangkok resident who likes massages and is rumoured to have a stash of wine at Maxi's, or am I really a homebound lesbian in South Dakota who writes gay porn for a living.....

No , you are not lesbian, Lebanese , may be,  but lesbian ? No

Unless guy who introduced himself as you when Paulsf , anddy and me meet with him in Maxi's in October was not you but that lesbian's  brother

[vinapu]

11 hours ago, kokopelli said:

What reader posted is not true.  Just a lie on his part.  I know willie-willie and what he posted is valid based on his sources.  If anyone should be put on the  ignore list, it is reader.

I'm glad saga continues.

[vinapu]

12 hours ago, Scooby said:

 

Maybe Vinapu knew 50 Board members before he posted his first Trip Report but I doubt it. He has since met many members and thus his posts have more meaning......

no , I did not know anybody when I posted for a first time. My first post was actually trip report, I was bit afraid that my credibility as a complete newbie  will be questioned and resolved thet if that will be a case my first post will be also the last one.

But no, I was welcomed and encouraged to continue.

Yes , so far I was privileged to meet 14 our members , most of them more than once, always fun. It's why I can certify everywhere that DivineMadman is not a lesbian !

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, spoon said:

..... i come to understand ending with na is a polite way to say things to elderly?. 

 

no idea if that's correct, others may confirm  but they don't call me ' papa' or 'grandpa' for nothing (I'm not that old but have grey hair ) and i did not catch that' na ' in sentences either  

[TotallyOz]

40 minutes ago, vinapu said:

no , I did not know anybody when I posted for a first time. My first post was actually trip report, I was bit afraid that my credibility as a complete newbie  will be questioned and resolved thet if that will be a case my first post will be also the last one.

But no, I was welcomed and encouraged to continue.

Yes , so far I was privileged to meet 14 our members , most of them more than once, always fun. It's why I can certify everywhere that DivineMadman is not a lesbian !

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Glad you made the leap.

Also, did I hear you say DivineMadman is a lesbian?  I have met him and had no idea.  jk but see how rumors get started.

[DivineMadman]

9 hours ago, spoon said:

I had to google mai pen rai after reading your post, ive seen it being mentioned several time but somehow none of the thai i took use it or they dont use it to me, or i simply didnt catch when they say it to me. Also rarely do i get thai using ending na at the end lol. Is it because im not as old, coz i come to understand ending with na is a polite way to say things to elderly?. 

Anyway, just want to say mai pen rai is somehow similarly used in malay culture as well. We say no as a polite way to not give troubles to host, but host will always insist on doing it anyway. Like if u visit someone, the custome is to serve drinks and snacks or food depending on time of visit, but visitors will always refuse saying its alright, u dont have to, we just ate etc. But the host will serve it anyway and we will eat or drink it anyway lol. Meanwhile, visiting someone house in the states for example, if they asked if we want a drink and we say no its alright, you wont get a drink lol. 

Interesting to hear about the similar to mai pen rai in Malay.  

I don't think it's 100% correct to say that using "na" is something a younger person would say to an older person.  It's just a general word of softening and politeness.  So, getting the attention of the waiter might be "nong na khrap".  Trying to get off the BTS you might say "kor toht na khrap."   I don't bother putting it in Line or Facebook messages, but of course you see the guys do it all the time just to be nice and polite.  

Or another example:   "ouch, less teeth!" might be "oi fan noy na khrap"

[spoon]

17 minutes ago, DivineMadman said:

Interesting to hear about the similar to mai pen rai in Malay.  

I don't think it's 100% correct to say that using "na" is something a younger person would say to an older person.  It's just a general word of softening and politeness.  So, getting the attention of the waiter might be "nong na khrap".  Trying to get off the BTS you might say "kor toht na khrap."   I don't bother putting it in Line or Facebook messages, but of course you see the guys do it all the time just to be nice and polite.  

Or another example:   "ouch, less teeth!" might be "oi fan noy na khrap"

Since i didnt catch anyone using that when talking to me, does that mean they are not polite with me? Hahaha granted guys i took most dont speak good enough english, the two that actually speak really good english last trip didnt use any. But they are both slightly older age than me lol.

[spoon]

55 minutes ago, vinapu said:

no idea if that's correct, others may confirm  but they don't call me ' papa' or 'grandpa' for nothing (I'm not that old but have grey hair ) and i did not catch that' na ' in sentences either  

I guess guys we took dont really use that na word. Is it have something to do with them being the manly type? Like you, i like my guys in the 30s, so thats why i think it has something to do with age, similar to korean.

[DivineMadman]

15 minutes ago, spoon said:

Since i didnt catch anyone using that when talking to me, does that mean they are not polite with me? Hahaha granted guys i took most dont speak good enough english, the two that actually speak really good english last trip didnt use any. But they are both slightly older age than me lol.

I wouldn't over think it.  If they're speaking to you in English it's more likely that they are struggling to get through the basics without adding a "na" here or there.  

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

 

 It's why I can certify everywhere that DivineMadman is not a lesbian !

 

57 minutes ago, Michael said:

 

Also, did I hear you say DivineMadman is a lesbian?  

what  da ya mean ? I certified he is NOT A LESBIAN

[PeterRS]

On 1/17/2019 at 9:57 PM, reader said:

But it's nice--no necessary--to be able to distinguish between fiction and non-fiction if the trust between reader and author is to remain in tact.

12 hours ago, reader said:

I did this to make a point about the issue of accuracy and whether we--as readers--have an expectation that that appears to be presented as fact may actually be partially or wholly lacking in it. Does it bother us if we are misled?

Am I the only one to find it extremely difficult reconciling these two quotes?

In the first, reader states - not implies - that it is "necessary" to distinguish between fact and fiction. In the second, he states that "fact" may not indeed be fact. So who is supposed to trust whom? The implication is that readers (sic) are not supposed to trust what any poster writes here.

[spoon]

1 hour ago, DivineMadman said:

I wouldn't over think it.  If they're speaking to you in English it's more likely that they are struggling to get through the basics without adding a "na" here or there.  

Not overthinking stuff, others cultures pique my interest. Love to learn about cultures especially i love the people so much lol

[TotallyOz]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

what  da ya mean ? I certified he is NOT A LESBIAN

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Thank goodness!  I was beginning to worry about my gaydar.  It gets a bit iffy as my age increases and my eyesight decreases.

[reader]

33 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

Am I the only one to find it extremely difficult rationalising these two quotes?

 

In the first, reader states - not implies - that it is "necessary" to distinguish between fact and fiction. In the second, he states that "fact" may not indeed be fact. So who is supposed to trust whom? The implication is that readers (sic) are not supposed to trust what any poster writes here.

No, you're not the only one. I got discombobulated when I just reviewed it. Part of the problem is my screen name.

In both cases, I intended reader and readers to refer to the generic reader of the forum and not just me.

During the course of this thread we heard members express two opposing views. One holds that it doesn't matter to them if a post is true or fiction: it's the entertainment value of the post that counts. The opposing--and minority--view was that it did indeed matter to them: accuracy counted.

That's the dilemma I was struggling with.

Guess it's up to each member to decide if they choose to believe that the event portrayed in the OP was real, embellished or fiction.

Agree that I could have done a better job of clarifying my message.

[PeterRS]

I reckon the problem with the distinction between truth and fiction is not that chat rooms should rely wholly on truth. That would be impossible. As with the bunch of friends mentioned by bucknaway earlier in the thread, there may well be an element of falsehood in a story to ginger it up, to make our friends feel we have more success at sex than they, or we are better at our work coz we got a raise. Thats pretty standard banter.

IMO it is different if one of the friends outlines a completely false story. In the telling there is likely to be the odd nudge and wink interspersed with the narrative and eventually it is likely the narrator will burst out laughing before he gets to the end as he sees his friends being taken in. So all ends well.

The problem in a chat room where a respected long standing member starts a thread that is totally false - no matter that it is a repetition of old threads or is outrageous in its implications - there are no nudges and winks unless smilies are used. In the OP here, no smilies were used. Without them, what are most members supposed to think? Naturally that it is the truth. Popping white or other lies into an existing thread is perhaps not unusual, but starting a thread that is a total lie is, again in my view, not merely silly. It is dangerous. Dangerous because it opens the floodgates for others to do the same. And then how does anyone distinguish truth from fiction, the more so when it is an established poster? Trip reports depend to a large extent on accuracy from the reporter. If they become fiction, what happens to gaythailand?

All chat rooms have their trolls, hydras and others determined to derail these friendly porch side chats. Thankfully Scooby and Michael have done a great job keeping them off this Board and congratulations to them for that. One or two have crept in but with the exception of Beachlover who hoodwinked several Board moderators and owners for a long time, members here are basically genuine. I certainly hope it can be kept that way. Cheers!

[kokopelli]

19 hours ago, reader said:

I've always enjoyed your posts, kokopelli, but you remind me of Rudy Giuliani here--not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

I also enjoyed your posts, reader, but, this time,  you did remind me of Donald Trump - and there is something wrong with that. 

[reader]

On reflection, Kokopelli, I'm inclined to agree with you. Certainly don't want to be equated with that individual. I realize that I could have been just as effective an advocate for my position without stooping to The Donald's level.

I believe this thread offers many insights into the influence our posts have on those who read them. PeterRS has done a fine job of describing how a post can take on an unintended consequences that OP didn't necessarily set out to do. The ambiguity of the story triggers uncertainty of motive and from there we're off to the races. I'm convinced that all participants had good intentions in their replies. It may have become argumentative  but it also featured much humor and spontaneity--all good stuff in a well-followed post.

As I reflect back on the last few days, I believe the Covenant and Code of Conduct (you can find the Guidelines tab below the masthead) deserves reading by all of us. It was Divine Madman, I think, who called attention to it shortly after the forum was reorganized. By adhering to its tenets, I believe we can all keep this an interesting, civil forum where ideas and information can be exchanged and shared in a respectful--even friendly--environment. It's not necessary that agree with everything but we (and I certainly include myself) have a responsibility to maintain that welcoming atmosphere that allows the forum to fulfill its mission.

BTW, Kokopelli, that was one clever rejoinder you made.

 

[vinapu]

On 1/18/2019 at 10:13 AM, reader said:

 

I've always enjoyed your posts, kokopelli, but you remind me of Rudy Giuliani here--

 

who is this guy ? don't assume we all here know your friends

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, kokopelli said:

I also enjoyed your posts, reader, but, this time,  you did remind me of Donald Trump - 

who is this guy ? don't assume we all here know your friends

[reader]

I'm sure you know this guy. He's a snappy dresser who likes to call himself Vinapu. Claims he always dressers for the occasion. Never wears shorts or tee shirts and is frequently accompanied by a man servant.

Here's a photo of him taken during last trip, peeking in door of Screwboys on Patpong 2.

(Full disclosure warning: this photo may not bear a strong resemblance)

[Nathan_B]

On ‎1‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 5:26 AM, reader said:

All you had to do, williewillie, was omit the name of the bar and the particulars of the generous farang's identity.

If the Pattaya gay ex-pat community is a small and close knit as you say, surely the identity of the farang and the story is known to most already? For the majority of us who aren't ex-pats, well we're none the wiser!

[reader]

5 minutes ago, Nathan_B said:

If the Pattaya gay ex-pat community is a small and close knit as you say, surely the identity of the farang and the story is known to most already? For the majority of us who aren't ex-pats, well we're none the wiser!

That may be true, Nathan_B. Ignorance can be bliss but that doesn't lend any credence to the tale.

[vinapu]

3 hours ago, reader said:

I'm sure you know this guy. He's a snappy dresser who likes to call himself Vinapu. Claims he always dressers for the occasion. Never wears shorts or tee shirts and is frequently accompanied by a man servant.

Here's a photo of him taken during last trip, peeking in door of Screwboys on Patpong 2.

 

 

we may use this occasion to remind posters that forum rules prohibit posting pics of members without their consent.

I don't wear tee shirts due to lack of pockets where I can stash tip money, I wear shorts although obviously not in Alaska in Ferbruary. I was raised in environment where using servants was considered disgrace but at least information that Screwboys is in Patpong 2 is very accurate and yes , in days when One was still working there world could see me peeking in the door to see if he was inside but those days are sadly gone 

[DivineMadman]

6 hours ago, reader said:

That may be true, Nathan_B. Ignorance can be bliss but that doesn't lend any credence to the tale.

I agree with reader that there were too many specifics for what would be called a "blind item" in the gossip/tabloid press.  

Example of a blind item, "What Hollywood mogul gives Rollex watches to his guy-of-the-moment when he's finished with him?"

[kokopelli]

On 1/19/2019 at 10:59 PM, vinapu said:

who is this guy ? don't assume we all here know your friends

Rudy Giuliani is a lawyer for Donald Trump.