Trip report Christmas in Bangkok and New Year in Pattaya

[vinapu]

both numbers and nicks may be sometimes misleading when recommending and following advice.

Boys are known to change both  

[hank75]

18 hours ago, vinapu said:

when I was reading your narrative from Toy Boys I was thinking " hope he did not off that guy" . Nothing wring with guys sticking to their price but when they mention another client , whether it's truth or not it means they are not at all interested and it's better to move on and do it fast.

Yes me too, I was hoping you did not let the hunk have his way. Glad you had a good experience with Copa masseur- that’s the way it should be, price negotiation fails but he voluntarily approaches you with a discount showing he wants your business. And you were rewarded with a more pleasant off. Rather than agreeing to a short time at extortionate rate and having boy rush through it. 

[spoon]

8 hours ago, hank75 said:

Yes me too, I was hoping you did not let the hunk have his way. Glad you had a good experience with Copa masseur- that’s the way it should be, price negotiation fails but he voluntarily approaches you with a discount showing he wants your business. And you were rewarded with a more pleasant off. Rather than agreeing to a short time at extortionate rate and having boy rush through it. 

I still not lose hope though, he is a handsome hunk that i really like lol. Maybe if i come again not during peak season, he would be more willing lol. If i saw him on my first night in thailand, id probably caved lol. 

The copa masseur is definitely a gem lol, and i didnt feel his service level affected at all by the discount. Eagerness for boy to seek business from you definitely plays part in my decision making. 

[newscene]

On 1/25/2019 at 1:01 AM, spoon said:

I prefer not to tell the boys number or name here. Hope u understand. 

I certainly do. No dramas mate!

[spoon]

Today is new year's eve. I planned to visit the lookout point and gran buddha today. Ideally, i shouldve gone in the morning to skip the heat, but i woke up noonish, and have nothing else in mind to fill the time during the day. I take the seongthaw and take roght after the under bridge traffic light, had lunch at one of the restaurant there. Then i started to walk towards the lookout point. While the beginning of the walk along the street was scorching hot, i soon arrived at a park with trails that is completely under shades, so i just stroll along the trail, and see some locals are there as wells. The first guy i saw was definitely a drug addict, saw syringe and he just sit on the stairs trail not doing anything. I just walked passed him, hoping he wont bother me and he didnt. The trail doesnt really goes up to the lookout point, but just underneath it, so i have to to to the entrance road, which is accessible from the trail but its a bit of detour but having a rest from the sun makes the detour a preferred route for me anyway. 

The lookout point itself is definitely worth visiting. The view is awesome, almost like looking at ipanema beach from sugar loaf. The crowd is less during midday too, and its very windy, so i stay here for quite a while before heading down and moved towards a different road for the gran buddha. Another place worth visiting.

There is a nice temple garden before you reach the gran buddha stairs. When i visit the garden, locals in motorcycles stopped to ask me something in thai. When i explained i am not thai, they switch to english and ask me direction to a phratamnak village, and all i know is phratamnak mountain lol. The temple itself its also very unique, with big golden buddha on top, nice view and windy as well. It does feels very peaceful even with many people around.

All is done, i went down and head back and walk to second road toward the school to take seongthaw back to hotel. But i saw similar thing as yesterday, a long queue and no seongthaw queueing. I decided to cross the road and head to chivarome, where i see kinda cute masseur sitting outside, so i told him id like to have a foot massage. Great cheap massage by great masseur who told me about NAB being the gay clubs local goes to, about the free concert at balihai oier that starts at 9pm but people will start gather around 7pm. He also says he has a muscular friend who work in BBB, he told ne the guys name, but not his nicknamr he used in the club but told me he is cambodian. He also told me he and his masseurs friend will go to the concert and countdown a little after 11pm, after the shop closed.

After the massage, i head back to hotel by seongthaw. Reached hotel for a bit of rest from the hear and the walk, and had dinner (just left over from my lunch) and clean up before heading to BT again. A little update on my request for a setup with the other masseur from copa. It turns out this other masseur also already have a customer tonight. I asked if he has other muscular masseur friends, he show me a picture, and asked if i want to book his friend. Face and body wise, not bad, but i said i want to meet him in person first as i am heading to boyztown anyway. He says ok, up to me lol. I also checked up with Z909 on his plan for the new years eve. He told me we can meet for a coffee, he is in jomtien, but i was having my foot massage at that time lol so we decided to meet for the countdown later after trying to get a boy for the night. I head out to BT, and this time its only me, so i have no issues getting a seongthaw heading to BT, but still have to wait for a few full ones to pass by first before getting one.

Reached at BT and parked myself at castro bar. The whole street has been transform today. Red carpet were laid down across the road from boys music to BBB end on the other side. There is free food for anyone in front of BBB, but i just ate so i parked myself at Castro outside bar, just looking at BBB boys and mamasan and maybe owners and their friend sitting on the table outside. Its definitely a party is about to start. There is a table set up for gifts, there is a backdrop for picture taking, and decorations geared up for the new year. The theme is white, and all boys and mamasans/waiter wears whites. Some wears for the occasions and even do their hair. While i sitting at castro, one of the waiter sit next to me and strike a conversation with me. We chat a bit before i went to toyboy to hang out there, and see if there's anyone id like. As i passed copa, i didnt see anyone outside to ask about the other masseurs my guy recommended, so i message my guy, and he called me (a first phone call from boys, who is confident enough to talk by phone in english!) And i told him i want to take him instead, for tomorrow night and he was elated! 

At toyboy, similar number of boys as yesterday but i dont see the hunk that i bought the drink yesterday. Maybe he didnt come yet. Again, at least 3-4 guys are definitely not twink, with 2 are muscular but face wise, not really my type. I stay there quite a while, maybe until close to 10pm, and while sitting there, a chinese women from taiwan sat next to me, and started to chat with me. Its her first day and she wants to know whats what. She said she didnt want to take any boys but wants to have fun in the bar. So i told her a bit about buying drinks etc. I asked what kind of boys she is into, she said nerdy lol. And i told her not many boys can converse well, and she said, if they cant chat, its a such a waste. I told her that i might go to see BBB new year show after this and its always full, she said isnt that bar where guys wear shirts instead of in underwear like in toyboys? I said yes, then she said whats the point lol. I totally agrees with her hahaha. Anyway, another group of chinese gays comes in and sit next to her and they were having conversations too, in chinese. I left her there to go to BBB, and who do i see outside on the high table standing alone, the first guy i took short time my first night here.

So without wasting anytime, i went to him and start chatting. He said this year party isnt as good as last year. Last year, there was free drinks as well. Anyway, i told him i want to take him long time today. He hesitate a bit but says ok, but asked me if i can wait until bar close at 2am. Since its new years eve and i do plan to hang out at balihai piers for countdown anyway, i said sure. I can come back for him later. Now that i have find a boy, i checked my messages and z909 asked me if i managed to find a boy, and i told him i had just make a deal with a repeat. I am free to go to balihai and invited him to join me. He told me he had just went for a massage and free to go there as well, so we decided to meet there at 11pm or so. I went toward walking street and found that there is just too many people, mostly tourists, that makes walking there is almost impossible. Maybe they should change the street to standing street instead lol. So i decides to took a longer path along second road instead, and advice z909 to do the same. I took the road that leads to the end of walking street towards balihai, crowd is still thick but at least its moving lol. I went all the way to the pier, passing a bit and hear the concert, but i saw people has already settled down near the pier and along the walkway near the beach to eat/drink and nap. So i decided i need to find a place for me and z909 to sit/stand to enjoy the fireworks before the place is taken up and no space for us anymore. So i didnt go towars the concert and find a spot at the rock next to the beach instead and wait there, taking in the scene and people watching. I texted z909 my location and gave some description to my whereabout, hoping itll be enough for him to find me among the thousands of people already here.

Z909 manage to find me without much trouble, and i waved him when he is near. He had trouble to cross over the many people who already laid down their mats but no issues with them letting him get through. We sat on the rock and chat. He said last year he watch the fireworks from hotels, and makes remarks that there used to be tonnes of latern flying as well before, but tonight i can only see 3-4 of them from the distance. When its about time, somehow the firework when of earlier, and at exactly 12, the fireworks gets a mini finale like, before the firework gets much more dynamic. It lasted around 10min, took a video but the eye sore of a building really blocked our view a bit. Still a great show for me, not as grand as in other big cities but good enough. We walked back towards BT using second road, and andy said goodbye when we reach beach road. I made my way to BT again and i saw him, the toyboy hunk outside the bar, and he recognized me and smile as i also smile and says and wave. But i already have a deal with a different boy so i go to boys music, where all BBB boys will move after midnight.

I order a drink and watch the show here to pass time until 2am. The show today have some similarity with BBB show but without any of the obscene part (no penis is showing). The callisthenic shows got a raving shriek from customers at the front, and people are tipping them lavishly. Some of the popular ones mustve gotten much more than a long time fee in tips alone. And i also sees mamasan throwing bunch of 20s/100s baht and the boys will rush to collect them. Its a really happening days for the boys and the performers. There is also one show, where one of the femal customer being serenade by the muscular callinsthenic performers on stage, and i wonder how much did the girl pay to be there. At the back, there are 3 vips, who open bottles on three different tables, and many boys comes and sit with them for the drinks and tips. Probably the 3 owners? Or high rollers customers of the year? Haha. There is also now a ladyboy/drag lipsync shows, and a bollywood choreograph number as well, and coincendently there are some indians customers there too. I saw one guy i recalled being reviewed in this forum, and called him for a drink with me, and asked if he can come to me tomorrow afternoon, he said yes he can. Im set up for boys for the rest of my trip now lol.

At close to 2am, i went out to find the boy i had deal with, and saw he is sitting at the table outside. I wave at him and he came to me, bearing a really bad news. He said he already have a customer. He told me i was late (i wasnt) then switch to he didnt know the time and his handphone isnt with him (not my fault). Anyway, long story short, the guy wants him short time, and he rather do that instead of long time, but didnt or couldnt give me a better reason why not especially when he already promised me earlier. Needless to say i was not happy, and i told him that, he even offered if i go short time, he can take me, and nope, u did enough damage, i wont still pay you lol. Alas, its past 2am now and i dont have a boy.

I get mamasan to call the other guy who i already made a deal to come to me in the afternoon, trying to see if he can go with me tonight instead. He explains to me why he cant, mamasan told me to take him ST using the room upstairs. I rather have him tomorrow since i am still a bit mad and frankly tired as well from a very full day. But after hearing the explanation of why he dont want to do LT,  i am no longer mad at the guy who stood me up. Yes he made a deal and yes he broke it, but he did offered me ST too, but due to his limited english, he cant explain why. The other customer is really easier alternative explanation since if i say yes to ST, he'd with me anyway. So basically, for new year, the boss apparently open the bar until 5-6am. And at 4-5am, there will be lucky draws for boys. All of them who is there, will get a present, just that some prize are more expensive than others. It is for this reason, the boys wont do LT at all tonight. So now i blame my misfortune to miscommunitation and bad timing. Its the worse time to try and get a long time from this bar. And i wouldve known if the boy can speak better english. And i do believe he doesnt know about this when he says yes to me earlier. 

Anyway, even though i didnt have any boys tonight, i have two boys coming to my hotel tomorrow, so balance has returned to the world again lol. I did try to push my luck to get long time tonight, afternoon boy and a other long time again but i guess the universe is telling me to slow down lol. I went to second road to get a seongthaw, had to wait a bit but managed to get one, and returned to my hotel, feeling very sleepy and tired that i dozed off not long after. Maybe i dont need a long time boy after all for tonight.

[1moRussian]

Thanx for adding photos to your post 

[crayontt]

Going bangkok 4feb to 7feb which is during chinese new year.. will e vietnam boys at screwboy and xboy be there since its their large festival period and usuallly they to back... *cry*

[DivineMadman]

57 minutes ago, crayontt said:

Going bangkok 4feb to 7feb which is during chinese new year.. will e vietnam boys at screwboy and xboy be there since its their large festival period and usuallly they to back... *cry*

Most of them definitely do go back home for Tet, but there are some who stay in BKK.   As the saying goes, you only need one [or two] - so you might still have good luck!

[spoon]

Most that have families will usually go back during tet, in fact for some, its the only time the go back home. But yeah, there will always some who stays. Ive never been to thai during cny, but ive been in vietnam during tet, the city is almost deserted with a lot of shops and restaurants and even stores are closed. We had to either buy grocerry earlier or eat at the international restaurants that are still open. 

[ggobkk]

Thanks for your New Year's report...when you mention "boys music where all the BBB will move after midnight" ar you referring to th 2nd BBB show or something else?

[spoon]

5 minutes ago, ggobkk said:

Thanks for your New Year's report...when you mention "boys music where all the BBB will move after midnight" ar you referring to th 2nd BBB show or something else?

Its a different bar across the soi, in between castro and toyboy. Open bar concepts so u can see the stage from outside, hence no exposed obscenity. Its one of the reasom why its pretty similar to dreamboys since over there, boys also move downstair, to a different bar called boys bangkok.

[ggobkk]

Thanks, the club was preparing for its opening when I was in BT at the end of November.  Good to know that is where the boys go after BBB.

[spoon]

5 minutes ago, ggobkk said:

Thanks, the club was preparing for its opening when I was in BT at the end of November.  Good to know that is where the boys go after BBB.

Yeah, and it has been discussed in this thread too.

https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/11941-new-boyz-music-show-bar-in-boyztown/

Ill probably copy some of my experiences in bars in the respective business thread for easy reference when i have time. 

[vinapu]

18 hours ago, spoon said:

 but ive been in vietnam during tet, the city is almost deserted with a lot of shops and restaurants and even stores are closed. We had to either buy grocery earlier or eat at the international restaurants that are still open. 

just like Christmas day in Western and Latin countries

[spoon]

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

just like Christmas day in Western and Latin countries

Except tet holiday is almost a week lol

[DivineMadman]

52 minutes ago, spoon said:

Except tet holiday is almost a week lol

I think the usual advice for tourists is simply to stay away from VN during Tet

[spoon]

34 minutes ago, DivineMadman said:

I think the usual advice for tourists is simply to stay away from VN during Tet

Yup, i wasnt there as tourist though. But yeah, most people advice to avoid visiting during tet

[reader]

Agree that Tet (lunar New Year) is not an opportune time for tourists to visit Vietnam. It's not that you would be treated poorly or inconvenienced more than you could manage, but because it's truly a moment when the Vietnamese wish to celebrate among themselves. They want to let their hair down, renew old friendships and reunite with family. Although "Tet" is frequently associated by westerners with the North's 1968 military offensive in the South that began during the holiday, that has nothing to do with the celebrations that combine national, cultural and religious traditions. Let them enjoy the biggest holiday on their calendar.

[spoon]

On a different note about tet, in ho chi minh, when i was there, during tet, they will do a very elaborate decorations display along nguyen hue road. If i recall correctly, they actually planted a mini paddy field with real mud and real paddy planted on the streets lol. (Paddy is the plant where rice comes from btw)

[floridarob]

2 hours ago, spoon said:

(Paddy is the plant where rice comes from btw)

Also a celebration of an Irish Saint 

[spoon]

I woke up a bit early today maybe 9 or 10am. Decided to head to dongtan beach today and finally had a rest on one of the beach chair. Its lovely weather today, not so many people around. Its the new year and im pretty sure the aftermath of last night party still in progress. I walked along the beach all the way to the end and make my way back to find masseur that id like to take, found one, asked and he said he had bookings lined up already. So i chose to sit in one of the small chair (40bht) and rest under the shades, with gentle breeze from the ocean and shirtless men (some tourist does have great bodies lol). Soon after, one masseur approached me, called by the previous masseur i wanted to take, and offer his service. Took foot massage for 300 1 hour. I wasnt wearing swimsuit, just my usual track and shirt, and the masseur suggested for me to remove the pants. I only wear my brief for the massage in the open lol, but i guess its alright. The massage was decent and very relaxing indeed. Instead of aircond and sofa, with massage music, i am treated to a lazy chair, ocean breeze, sounds from the waves crushing the beach, and of course the view lol. Definitely something unique for me, or maybe i havent been to enough beach that have this kind of setup. I asked the masseur what time do most masseur usually come, and he says starting 10am onwards, but today, many of them late due to last night party. This is something i can get used to, and good enough reason for me to choose to stay in jomtien vs boystown especially seongthaw is easy ride between the two place. 

Watched the clock and its almost noon. Checked with my afternoon guy, by wechat, no response, but yesterday he did gives me his phone number and asked me to call. So i called him and he told me he wanted to shower and eat before coming to my hotel, and he will let me know when. Asked if he wanted to eat lunch with me, he said he had food from yesterday (buffet from BBB i suppose) and he dont want it to go to waste. He definitely already score high in my book, the only two boys this trip who can converse english good enough to hold conversation and phone calls, and dont like wasting food. So i had my lunch alone in one of the thai restaurant at jomtien beach road, and head back to the hotel to clean up and rest, wating for the boy. He then called me and said he is otw and 20min later, told me he is in the lobby. I headed out to pick him up to my room. Similar comments about the nice pool and the spacious rooms. We started at the living room with the casual chat to get to know each other. Then he asked if we wanted to go to the bedroom, which he then asked to go to the shower. I had already showered so he go in alone. He went out with just towels and hopped in the bed. We chat a bit more before things got steamy. 

I heard from a forumer before, that this guy can gives great massage so i asked him if he can do that first. And he says yes. Definitely will put his massage skills above average, nothing sensual, and his hands is a bit rough with callous from working out but i really didnt mind that, since he knows how to massage properly, and his hand is big that i felt his massage almost envelope my not so small body too at times. It lasted maybe 40min or so, another plus in my book. I also asked if i can massage his body as well and he said yes, though i didnt massage him that long, before we proceed to something else haha. Anyway, the whole thing lasted 2 hour or so, we then shower together, and he gets ready to leave, started to put on cloth.

I felt that i wanted to know him more, so i went close to him and asked if he could stay longer. At first he said he wanted to go to the gym, then i told what i wanted to do if he stays, mostly cuddling with chatting, so he asked how long, i told him 2 hours and ill pay tips too. He agrees and there goes all of his clothes again, undressing in front of me, and i already felt money well spent haha. We got back to the bed, and i open the tv, and we chatted. I told him about some boys i know in bbb, asked about why most people there where shirts, and told him about a friend who couldnt find him in bbb the last time he was there in oct. He said bbb bew bosses policy that changes the bar to how it is now. Thus most boy now had to dress decently. Its now own by three thai bosses (not sure if all 3 are thai or not). He also told me the first guy i off, his doesnt really speak english, which explains why he cant tell me the reason he cannot go long time yesterday. 

Now on to the reason why he was absent from BBB for a while. He told me, he had has customers who likes to take him to their own countries, he mentioned singapore and china. Anyway, at some points, this happens a bit too often that the BBB boss is angry at him for now being around in the bar, even when they pay off fee. After he came back from being away too long, the boss told him he cannot work anymore. So he cant go to bbb for close to 4 month, and he told he just got back to work in BBB 1month. My guess is its the high season and boss want the bars filled with boys and he finally agree to bring him back but not without him having to pay quite a heftt penalty as well. I know that most gogo bars practice something similar to ensure the bar will have enough boys around to give ensure the bars also earn money from customers drinks/entrance. Its just the things that gogoboys have to deal with, and i guess one of the reasons why some boys choose to work in a different bars instead, to avoid paying penalty to go back to same bar. 

We also talked about yesterday countdown. I showed him my video of the balihai fireworks, and he showed me BT countdown video he had. The two hours passed by rather quickly and soon  i have to say good bye. I wished i had met him earlier but the two days ive been to BBB, he wasnt around, and he told me because he went to Bangkok with a customer. He came back for the new year party because again, if boys didnt show up, they will have to pay penalty to bars. That explains the huge number of boys still in boyz music even at 2am. Owh, his mom also called him when he was there, and he excused himself for few mins to talk in the living room. He said he havent been back home more than a year already. I also got to know how he enter the scene, since he said he used to work as engineer before (explains his good english) but one of his friends told him how to get money quicker and faster and thats how he got into working in the bar. He is definitely one ill be looking forward to meet again when im in pattaya.

I checked with z909 after the guy left my room, and see if he wanted to meet for coffee if he is still in jomtien, and he said he just got back at his room. So i get dressed and head out to the beach area to buy dinner at one of the street stalls, chicken and rice, and some roti with fruits, and eat my dinner at the room. In few hours, my longtime copa masseur will come to my room. 

[vinapu]

18 hours ago, spoon said:

 

I heard from a forumer before, that this guy can gives great massage so i asked him if he can do that first. And he says yes. Definitely will put his massage skills above average, nothing sensual, and his hands is a bit rough with callous from working out but i really didnt mind that,

quite a few massage guys have those callouses from working out and I find them endearing . Not only because owing to exercising boys have fine musculature but also massage  by coarse hands feels stronger and more invigorating. In fact  I very often check and complement their calloused hands. Massage is not cat caressing but serious business before fun starts.

[spoon]

53 minutes ago, vinapu said:

quite a few massage guys have those callouses from working out and I find them endearing . Not only because owing to exercising boys have fine musculature but also massage  by coarse hands feels stronger and more invigorating. In fact  I very often check and complement their calloused hands. Massage is not cat caressing but serious business before fun starts.

My previous hunk, db44 also have the same callous, from work out and playing guitar. And i actually like the feel too lol. And more so when he worried that id might not like the hand.

[1moRussian]

Thanx for the report again. No beach photos this time?

by the way, you mentioned 300 b for a foot massage and it used to be 200 for foot and 300 for full body. What do you think, was it a special newbie price or just inflation? 

[spoon]

2 hours ago, 1moRussian said:

Thanx for the report again. No beach photos this time?

by the way, you mentioned 300 b for a foot massage and it used to be 200 for foot and 300 for full body. What do you think, was it a special newbie price or just inflation? 

I have no idea that was the price lol maybe its special newbie price. Or special early bird gets the worm price. Maybe other member can attest?