Trip report Christmas in Bangkok and New Year in Pattaya

[Guest]

22 hours ago, vinapu said:

I'm one of those who don't care about nationality but since I seem to have unusually good luck with Lao guys    

Same here.  Just had another delightful one today.  Considering Laos has a population of about 6 million compared with APPROXIMATELY 18 million in Cambodia, 70 million in Vietnam and 70 million in Thailand, it's remarkable how many Laos boys I enjoy the company of.    

I THINK the last time I actually had a Vietnamese lad in my hotel was in Singapore, back in the year when the yellowshirts shut BKK airport. Since then, I have tried, but won't kiss, won't suck, won't bottom, 4000 baht short time and/or ID card irregularities have prevented it. 

Perhaps the satisfied customers tend to play the passive role.

Meanwhile, delightful Laos lads keep popping up.

[paborn]

Z, we all know you hate the Vietmamese. Why don't we just accept that like "the Earth is round" and gravity exists and not feel called upon to bash every time someone mentions the Vietnamese. To me a handsome lad is a handsome lad, what we do in our personal time need not be discussed. 

Did you know that a number of posters exchanged notes wondering when you would appear to bash the Vietnamese lads in this post?

You have an absolute right to your opinion and I'm sure each of your misadventures is true but how about a short hiatus?

[spoon]

I checked back my message sent to Christianpfc, one of the forumer who agrees to meet with me in thailand, and it was close to 8am i messaged him telling that i am already in bangkok, just after the boy left. He replied when i was sleeping, and i replied him back around 11:30am, telling him my plan for the day after he told me he is free during the day but not at night. We set to meet at 2pm, after i had my lunch at MBK. After shower and dressed, head out toward silom, cross the road to truemove to buy simcard, and head to MBK for lunch at one of the restaurant there. At 1:25pm, christian messaged me telling he is otw, and i told him that i am at mbk waiting for my food to arrive, which did arrive few minutes after. We end up meeting in siam paragon at 2pm and make our way to one of the cafe/restaurant that have cake and coffee. 

I have been reading his blog for quite some times now, and enjoyed his reports on his boy encounters very much. To be able to meet him was definitely an honor to say the least. We chatted about many different topics, about his recents travels, about boys, about his stories, and also goes through my travel plan, especially the tourist area both in bangkok and pattaya to fill my day. He gives few suggestions, one of which i manage to visit and saved money visiting them as well lol. One of the thing i wanted to do is walk along the shopping complex along this road, from mbk towards central world all the way until chidlom or pleonchit bts station. Its christmas day, and most of the malls and hotels along this road are full of beautiful and grand decorations, inside and outside. Christianpfc left around 4pm, so i took my stroll around this road, taking pictures and goes in and out of shopping malls. I took bts to go back to silom, arriving in prime around 5:15pm, asked for a massage, but the guy at the front door said i might have to wait. Even before i go to the counter, he asked me what kind of massage i wanted to do, Oil 2 hour, and checked using his headset and says i need to wait 40min for the room. That means my massage will end around 8pm, perfect time for dinner, and still have time to clean up and head for the bar after. 

Decided to just wait at the counter, and went to the toilet after a while, and right after i went out of the toilet, the masseur i chose from the ipad already waiting for me. Went to the assigned room, take shower and massage started. Ive always go to prime each time i visited bangkok, and i really like a strong massage with sensual in the mix, but i am also find with either just strong or just sensual. This time, i am getting a full sensual massage by this guy. The massage was great, and during the front massage, his hand did brushed around my private area few times, until i did get hard, and he purposedly had his arms brushing my hard dick when he massage my upper body. No mentioned of HE though, and im not looking for one, saving for tonight lol. Though i did brushed on his private part too, and he is also hard. On any other day, id probably would initiate, but i just think a better guy is waiting for me tonight lol. 

After massage was done, showered and goes down, standard prime treatment of hot towels and hot tea, tip the guy and left for dinner and back to hotel, dressed up for the bar. Tonight is christmas event in moonlight, so my initial plan is to go to their early show at 9pm, then maybe head to tawan for their show at 10.45pm. And i can always go back to soi twilight if i still am without boy. But we can only plan, the reality is sometimes different.

 

[spoon]

44 minutes ago, z909 said:

Same here.  Just had another delightful one today.  Considering Laos has a population of about 6 million compared with APPROXIMATELY 18 million in Cambodia, 70 million in Vietnam and 70 million in Thailand, it's remarkable how many Laos boys I enjoy the company of.    

I THINK the last time I actually had a Vietnamese lad in my hotel was in Singapore, back in the year when the yellowshirts shut BKK airport. Since then, I have tried, but won't kiss, won't suck, won't bottom, 4000 baht short time and/or ID card irregularities have prevented it. 

Perhaps the satisfied customers tend to play the passive role.

Meanwhile, delightful Laos lads keep popping up.

 

26 minutes ago, paborn said:

Z, we all know you hate the Vietmamese. Why don't we just accept that like "the Earth is round" and gravity exists and not feel called upon to bash every time someone mentions the Vietnamese. To me a handsome lad is a handsome lad, what we do in our personal time need not be discussed. 

Did you know that a number of posters exchanged notes wondering when you would appear to bash the Vietnamese lads in this post?

You have an absolute right to your opinion and I'm sure each of your misadventures is true but how about a short hiatus?

Chill you guys, both of you are just sharing your own experiences, i didnt see any bashing of certain nationality without basis, just observations based on true experiences. Like i said, i had some bad experiences with vietnamese too but in this particular case, the guy kiss, suck, and can bottom too, and no, i dont pay 4000 for short time. I did pay a bit higher tips, and it seems to be the prevalent trend during this time of year, one of the reason that i might not want to come to thailand again during this period lol. 

It couldve been our type of boys are very different too, so it could be those from vietnam that z909 tries are not the type that me, vinapu or even you paborn would take. So we really arent comparing apple to apple here. 

 

[paborn]

Actually Spoon, that was my point. I know Z hates the Vietnamese. His experiences have been very different than mine. Granted. All I said was , with reference to Z, old news is no news.

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, spoon said:

 

Chill you guys, both of you are just sharing your own experiences, i didnt see any bashing of certain nationality without basis, just observations based on true experiences. Like i said, i had some bad experiences with vietnamese too but in this particular case, the guy kiss, suck, and can bottom too, and no, i dont pay 4000 for short time. I did pay a bit higher tips, and it seems to be the prevalent trend during this time of year, one of the reason that i might not want to come to thailand again during this period lol. 

It couldve been our type of boys are very different too, so it could be those from vietname that z909 tries are not the type that me, vinapu or even you paborn would take. So we really arent comparing apple to apple here.

I guess that is the point, Z has had no experiences other then conversations for 10 years and yet he continually  inserts his opinions on Viet Boys . I have not had any experiences with Viet Boys for 3 years but I would hesitate to either praise or criticize a segment of the boys with no recent experience. just Saying!

And in the last 19 years in Thailand and many other countries , I have had many boys say they would not do certain things and they were so HOT, that I took them anyways . A very large % of them had no problem doing what i wanted once we had spent more then 30 seconds together. Not to say that some really did not do those things but it was a surprisingly small percentage.

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, z909 said:

Same here.  Just had another delightful one today.  Considering Laos has a population of about 6 million compared with APPROXIMATELY 18 million in Cambodia, 70 million in Vietnam and 70 million in Thailand, it's remarkable how many Laos boys I enjoy the company of.    

 

it must be lack of access to destructive influence of the  sea and lots of fresh mouintain air

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, spoon said:

 

Chill you guys.....

is anybody listening ?

[GWMinUS]

6 hours ago, paborn said:

Z, we all know you hate the Vietmamese. Why don't we just accept that like "the Earth is round" and gravity exists and not feel called upon to bash every time someone mentions the Vietnamese. To me a handsome lad is a handsome lad, what we do in our personal time need not be discussed. 

Did you know that a number of posters exchanged notes wondering when you would appear to bash the Vietnamese lads in this post?

You have an absolute right to your opinion and I'm sure each of your misadventures is true but how about a short hiatus?

And Paborn I find you most judgmental.

If you do not like what z909 posts just put him on Ignore and spare the rest of us your Opinion.

GWMinUS

[paborn]

i might say the same for you. Can you spell hypocrite?

[hank75]

Let’s not lose sight that this is spoon’s trip report, which he has taken the time to graciously write up for our enjoyment. I for one am looking forward to the next chapter as I’ve never been to LOS over the holiday season. 

[vinapu]

4 hours ago, hank75 said:

. I for one am looking forward to the next chapter ....

# me too

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Scooby said:

I guess that is the point, Z has had no experiences other then conversations for 10 years and yet he continually  inserts his opinions on Viet Boys .

Read it again.  If I have posted an OPINION on Vietnamese boys in this thread, please quote it in your next reply.   I just made a factual report on my experiences. You might not like it, but that is no reason to describe my factual reporting as opinion. 

Criticising my description of who I off and why without ever reporting your own experiences is also questionable.

In practice, I walk into bars with no preconceptions.   If a slim fit boy will kiss, suck and bottom, he stands a chance.   If he won't then he is ruled out.   Since my delightful encounter with a Vietnamese lad in Singapore, I've had Asian lads from Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan, China and Japan.

If I walk into a bar tonight and a Vietnamese lad ticks all the boxes, he's getting offed.  They often look stunning, but I still need someone who will agree to provide the usual services of a bottom.  No kiss, no suck, no bottom =no off.

I guess the people looking for a boy who is top might have more success.  

And if someone cares to enlighten me & explain where the FULL SERVICE Vietnamese lads work, I shall be a customer and report positively here.

[paborn]

f I walk into a bar tonight and a Vietnamese lad ticks all the boxes, he's getting offed.  They often look stunning, but I still need someone who will agree to provide the usual services of a bottom.  No kiss, no suck, no bottom =no off.

• This is a far better attitude. No one could fault you for an opinion like this, rather than a blanket dispparagerment of an entire Ethnic group. Having siad that, how current is this view? When were you last in SE Asia?

[spoon]

Give it a rest guys, i know for a fact that this one nationality have their fans and haters. I have lived and work in vietnam for a year, and have come to know their culture and lifestyle as well over there. I also know that vietnamese from the north and the south are quite different from each other. Having working with the locals, i also see such different personality and attitude by some of them compared with others. So its no surprise to me to see a very one sided experiences from different posters, good and bad. Like i said in the beginning, nationality plays little part in my decision to take boys, so little that i dont asked where they comes from in the bar, and only ask when in the room, often after the fun, which is exactly in this case. 

9 hours ago, z909 said:

Read it again.  If I have posted an OPINION on Vietnamese boys in this thread, please quote it in your next reply.   I just made a factual report on my experiences. You might not like it, but that is no reason to describe my factual reporting as opinion. 

Criticising my description of who I off and why without ever reporting your own experiences is also questionable.

In practice, I walk into bars with no preconceptions.   If a slim fit boy will kiss, suck and bottom, he stands a chance.   If he won't then he is ruled out.   Since my delightful encounter with a Vietnamese lad in Singapore, I've had Asian lads from Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan, China and Japan.

If I walk into a bar tonight and a Vietnamese lad ticks all the boxes, he's getting offed.  They often look stunning, but I still need someone who will agree to provide the usual services of a bottom.  No kiss, no suck, no bottom =no off.

I guess the people looking for a boy who is top might have more success.  

And if someone cares to enlighten me & explain where the FULL SERVICE Vietnamese lads work, I shall be a customer and report positively here.

This is exactly how i read your post z909. I sense no blanket judgement without basis, simply sharing experiences and i always appreciate such sharing. And since i dont based my criteria of picking boys based on nationality anyway, it plays little impact as well. Generalizing things is needed to tell stories but only bad if its cloud our judgement. 

Btw, the boy from screwboys is the only vietnamese i took the whole trip so i think its time we give this a rest now and get ready for my next chapter lol.

[paborn]

Considering that this is your report. I'll back off as I find you fair, non-judgemntal and reasonable. However, i reserve my right to defend the innocent.

[spoon]

To elaborate more on the holiday season situation, this time around, its the peak of the peak season. So naturally, there are much more people around. But at the same time, i do sense that there are also more boys around too. But market forces are in full power and boys generally does demand higher price than usual, so does the bar. Like i said previously, i plan to go to the early 9pm show at moonlight, but when i am on my way there, crossing surawong and entering the soi leading to moonlight, i asked the guy who were trying to get customer to go to moonlight, what time does the show starts, and he says 10.30pm. And since moonlight wont let me go in to have a peek without paying, i decided not to go in and head to soi twilight instead. Now thinking back, it couldve been two things to explain this. Either they have little customer during that time, so they cancel the 9pm show, or the guy i asked didnt know that they have added 1 earlier show at 9pm and told me show only starts at 10:30pm. Either way, i would not go in that early. I have no boys there that ive taken before, and i only want to see the models who will be around during the show. And i also have one other forumer (different forum) that says he wanted to go to moonlight tomorrow night and i told him ill join him, so i put moonlight on raincheck.

So i head back to soi twilight, as always, being hard pressed by the two muscular and older tout from hotmale to entice me to go to their bar, politely says no and did a maneuver to get them to release me lol. I walked all the way until classic, and try to peek through the boys in freshboy and xboys, and didnt see anyone i like. I asked the tout in classic if i can have a peek, and he says ok, so i peek in and saw the boys inside for few seconds, mostly twink but saw few meatier guys, one actually quite muscular but average face as well. Went out as i have other plans today. Planted myself in front of bangkok massage, in maxis and order a drink and did my boy watching ritual. I immediately noticed a rather fit muscular short guy in bangkok massage that catches my eyes. He is busy with his mobile, playing game is my guess with two other guys also watching him. I dont think he noticed me at all so i am free to just gaze at him whenever i want haha. Also see some boys making their way to their bar, some straight couples that looks like they are lost and lots of other gays making their ways to bars or just soaking in the soi twilight vibes. 

At close to 10, i called the waiter to pay my tab, and make my way to tawan, in the hope to catch some of the popular boys or see some familar faces lol. On my way there, i saw one rather muscular guy in singlet sitting in front of mantra massage, and we exchanged glares lol i kept going on though, sticking to my plan. So i enter tawan, drink price 500 (yup, 100 baht increase for normal), and choose my seat, at the cushion against the wall, a bit off center but great view of the stage. Sitting next to me is a chinese woman, alone, apparently waiting for her other girl friend. On the stage are around 5-6 boys. Mostly off season body builder steroid infused body. I noticed tiger, phet? (I didnt asked his name, but keep we exchange glance and he asked if i had taken him before, and i said i havent) and maybe 3-4 more that i recognized from previous visits but i dont know their name. Few "new" faces too (new to me but i get a sense that they have been doing this for a while) , but so far im not impressed with their body. I dont see any that is muscular but smaller frame, tiger is the only one that i think has the best body there and no one else come close. 

There is one boy in particular that has been trying so hard to get the chinese girl to pick him. The girl seems like she dont even like to be there, and from time to time looking at her phone. And then her friend arrived, and the same boy now tries to get this new girl attention and he finally gets her. He come down the stage and sit next to this girl and they started to talk and immediately started kissing in the bar. Good for her, and other than this one guy, and ocassionaly 1 or two boy looking at this "couple"kissing, other boys are still actively looking at other customers. Shows start around 10:50, with announcement in few languages including japanese and chinese, with a stern warning of no phone/photo/recording, and they will take your phone and wont return until all that is recorded is deleted. 

The first show is pull up chin bar contest, about 5 guys participate, and money prize is given to top 3. They keep changing the counting in different languages so i dont recall the winner counts, but i think its more than 20. Other shows i can recalls include the slave master show, with hot wax/candle, leather padded baton etc. Some dancing, and new this time is two very twink guy who are actually good dancer doing the show, one of them become the bottom slave. No chubby guy that i saw in the last visit. Jerk off show is still there too, but only 2 guys out of 4 actually came, and got treated with the tips collected. And the usually big cock show with boys going around letting the customer touch them with tips of course. Some of the boys comes to me and of course the chinese girls next to me, holding out their dick and the chinese girl was shaking her head very hard trying to avoid those. She clearly doesnt want to be there and only there because of her friend, who are still with the boy next to her and also holding some of the other guys penises lol. 

I stay until the end of the show, and still contemplating if i want to take any of the boys, tiger doesnt seems to remember me or trying to avoid me, i can never tell, but i dont feel like going with him as well so no hurt feeling here. I decided that i wont take any of the boys here, and phet? would probably the top guy that i might take, but his body is not as muscular as i would like. Maybe its not phet, or maybe its off season or maybe he simply didnt work out as much,  or mayve its not phet. I shouldve just asked his name but alas i didnt since based on what i see in the bar, i dont think i would take him. I do like his face though. Very good looking and definitely better than most boys there. Anyway, at ten to midnight, i decided to head out and go back to soi twilight. 

As i arrived at the mouth of the soi, i walked in, the two tout of hot male is busy with other customer so i glide my way through easilg this time lol. Walked until maxis and saw that the short small frame muscular masseur from bangkok massage is still there, sitting outside now without his phone. I head toward him, past him a bit to the door, stopped as asked, what time do they close and can i still get a massage, and he say yes, they close at 1 am. Before i say i want him, some other boys already make noises telling and pushing him to go with me, probably noticed that i like him lol. I told him yes i want him to massage me, and they all having a laugh and we proceed to go upstairs. 

Its my first visit to this massage place. He told me the price of one hour massage and minimum tip. I acknowledge the cost and were shown a room. The whole setup is actually nice. Feels clean and the massage is done on a waterproof mattress that is similar like the big chair mattress in dongtan beach, with clothes and towels on top. I took shower, alone, and the massage was done naked. The massage was very acceptable, long strokes and hard massage, good enough for me to relax and enjoy the massage. After maybe 20-30min, i noticed his dick became hard, and he starts to do body to body massage, which i really like. Some masseur didnt get hard during this part, which is a turn off for me. Now its the time for me to decide if i want to take this further. I have two option now, stay on this course of massage until time, and then only ask him if he can come with me to hotel or stop and ask now. I decided for the fun part, a session in my room will be much more comfortable for both me and the boy, so i politely start to ask the boy if he is keen to go to my hotel, he says yes he can go. I asked how much, price quoted, asked if he can go long time, he tooked a while and says yes and quoted a different price i say a price and after a bit more back and forth, we come to an agreement. I also asked what he can do and cannot do, and all is fine with me. He excuses himself to the bathroom, came back and continue with a bit more massage and then asked if i want to take shower, i said yes just to remove those oils. After im done dressing, he asked me to wait for him to get ready, and says he can only go at 1 am, which is just few minutes away, so i waited. At 1am, we went down together, the massage center is almost empty, no boys outside anymore, and off to my hotel, which is conveniently only two minutes away. 

Session in my room went great too, and he dont mind me caressing his body after the fun too. And as expected, he take out his phone to play games after, and i play that game too, so i lay down next to him, really close and watch him play the game. One thing i appreciate is that he has his own headphone put on, so it wont disturb me if i plan to sleep. I think i only dozed off for a very short while and when i woke up, he is still on his phone, probably didnt sleep at all. Had another light fun before we went for shower, together this time, and head for breakfast buffet at the hotel. After that, went to ground floor and i sent him off with the agreed tip and then some. In my mind, i hope my next few encounters will be cheaper, but given the time of the year and also my own habit, i doubt that will be the case. I went back up the hotel and snooze off again, and only wake up at 1pm.

Btw, it is my first time taking a boy from a massage place back to my hotel, as well as my first time taking a massage boys long time. I am glad that my first time asking the boy, he is available and also would go with me long time too, which by reading reports, is getting rarer these day. 

[Jasper]

3 hours ago, spoon said:

 I decided that i wont take any of the boys here, and phet? would probably the top guy that i might take, but his body is not as muscular as i would like. Maybe its not phet, or maybe its off season or maybe he simply didnt work out as much,  or mayve its not phet. I shouldve just asked his name but alas i didnt since based on what i see in the bar, i dont think i would take him. I do like his face though. Very good looking and definitely better than most boys there. 

I am glad to hear both Tiger and Phet are still in Tawan.

Phet’s photo on Numazu’s trip reports 

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, paborn said:

 Having said that, how current is this view? When were you last in SE Asia?

Paborn , if you read forum carefully you should know that z909 was just and quite possibly still is there. Not long ago he reported from Cambodia

[paborn]

did he? The report I read was so negative it sounded like  ranblings. Maybe yes, maybe no. Will there be film at 11?

[spoon]

4 hours ago, Jasper said:

I am glad to hear both Tiger and Phet are still in Tawan.

Phet’s photo on Numazu’s trip reports 

Yes jasper, thanks for the picture. I have seen this picture but still unsure. The guy i see clearly look similar but has either clearlygained weight or just a different guy lol. Tiger as always a pleasure to see, body is just perfect do he does shows sign of aging, and he always planted himself near a potential customer, trying hard to get tips or off from what it seems like he is usually targetting farang, which during my visits, are only a handful, with the rest of the crowd are chinese or asian. 

[spoon]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

Paborn , if you read forum carefully you should know that z909 was just and quite possibly still is there. Not long ago he reported from Cambodia

 

49 minutes ago, paborn said:

did he? The report I read was so negative it sounded like  ranblings. Maybe yes, maybe no. Will there be film at 11?

To put this matter to rest once again, i can vouch z909 is still in thailand, and was in thailand when i visited. We met twice in pattaya, lovely guy and i enjoy the conversations we had. 

[vinapu]

3 minutes ago, spoon said:

 

 z909 is still in thailand,...... lovely guy and i enjoy the conversations we had. 

yes , yes and yes

[Jasper]

8 hours ago, spoon said:

To elaborate more on the holiday season situation, this time around, its the peak of the peak season. So naturally, there are much more people around. But at the same time, i do sense that there are also more boys around too. But market forces are in full power and boys generally does demand higher price than usual, so does the bar. 

I saw reports about a premium Pattaya girls gogo bar is charging a holiday special bar fine ( off fee ) 4000-5000 B instead of normal 2000 B for models. Horrific!

I wonder Moonlight is charging more than 1000 B for models.

[spoon]

28 minutes ago, Jasper said:

I saw reports about a premium Pattaya girls gogo bar is charging a holiday special bar fine ( off fee ) 4000-5000 B instead of normal 2000 B for models. Horrific!

I wonder Moonlight is charging more than 1000 B for models.

Glad to report that off fee from the places i took boys, are still similar. The drink prices are the one affected. Tawan 500 as per report increased 100 baht.