Introduction

[KevKev01]

I dislike the manager though. He seems a little bit pushy and tried to sell their more expensive course like scrub etc. Then when you insisted not to, he finally backed off but started to speak in Thai lol.

[DivineMadman]

No one can say "it's too much."  Arena has been around for along time with many many repeat customers.  People who think it's too much than they want to pay should not go there.   I really like that Arena is so up-front about what the minimum includes:  massage, naked showering together and HJ.  

[DrimVoiz]

4 hours ago, asnstudent said:

So, I went to Arena massage shop this afternoon.. now I know why this place is highly recommended.. I got there around 2:30 pm.. since I needed help with directions, I had to call their shop and mamasan was already expecting me when I got there. once I entered the room (should we call it lobby or what?), all the guys immediately stood up and formed a reverse U shape, all facing towards me.. being quite nervous, I just asked mamasan to let me use the restroom, not because I needed to use its primary purpose, but to take some time to compose myself.. after taking a few deep breaths and wiping off all the sweats on my forehead, I went back to the lobby.. the guys were standing there, all trying to make eye contacts with me, smiling at me.. there were approximately 20-25 guys in total, a few of whom were really big muscular guys.. the average age appeared to be much older than that of Ganymede, and a bit older than my hero and Prince, I guess. not knowing whom to choose, I just let my innate preferences do its job.. among more muscular guys, my finger was pointing at the smallest boy with a toned body and baby face.. I chose a 90 minutes oil course, 800 baht and minimum tip of 1000. the guy led me to the room upstairs... since everyone has been already aware of its appearance and level of cleanliness, I am not going to repeat it.. an attached small shower booth inside, just next to the table.. the table could be quite short for tall guys... Massage was pretty good to my surprise, started with sensual, with nice strokes at times, then became more erotic.. the whole session took exactly 90 minutes and I was happy at the end.. I gave the tip of 1000 baht plus 400 extra to the boy inside the room .. his name is Teep, he said he's from Issan. I would strongly recommend him..

On my personal experience @ Arena, I did not enter immediately to the door bcoz when I saw the muscular masseurs flexing in the gym inside, I got really nervous, so I walked away first from the entrance, then breath in and breath out, til I relaxed. Afterwards, I entered, talked 2 the manager and I was able to select among the hot masseurs there! The experience was very good but the best massage still comes from Prince, that's only 4 me!!!

Btw we only use the word papasan informally 2 refer to the cute manager of Prince, just 2 be clear.

[reader]

4 hours ago, z909 said:

Any minimum tip of 1000 or 1500 for a HJ is incredibly poor value.    

The tip on non HJ massage is typically 0~300 baht.      

It's quite easy to get FULL SERVICE on the phone apps for 1500 in Bangkok (sometimes less).    To pay something similar for adding just minor service like a HJ makes no sense to me.

I don't go to the "gay" massage shops, but if I go to a standard massage shop and if they offer a HJ, the suggested price is usually around 500.   

Finally, the standard price for adding a HJ in the UK is £20, or 840 baht.  I definitely don't expect to pay more for that in Thailand. 

I understand 1500 tip for full service, but think a HJ is a lot less service and should be priced a lot lower.   Which it usually is in my experience.

I understand that everybody enjoys getting a bargain but somehow I don't quite equate getting a massage with going to Walmart. Paying a guy 1k to 1.5k to toil over your body for 60-90 minutes and then pleasuring you with a happy ending doesn't seem outrageous.

And I can appreciate that some punters prefer the apps to a gay--or non-gay--massage shop. But among the benefits I find of using a shop are the opportunity to see what's available in person and not bringing a stranger into my hotel or apartment.

In any case, I can't see myself entering a shop and saying, "I'll give you exactly 840 baht for a handjob and not a satang more."

[DrimVoiz]

Just a comment, 4 me an extra service is not just HJ, it also includes BJ, p*n*tr*t**n, romance, kissing & muscle worship, so its a very satisfying experience I'm willing 2 pay, that's only 4 me...is there anyone here who only does hj??? Idk that, again this are all based on personal experience...

[TotallyOz]

32 minutes ago, DrimVoiz said:

Just a comment, 4 me an extra service is not just HJ, it also includes BJ, p*n*tr*t**n, romance, kissing & muscle worship, so its a very satisfying experience I'm willing 2 pay, that's only 4 me...is there anyone here who only does hj??? Idk that, again this are all based on personal experience...

I have zero interest in just an HJ.

[DivineMadman]

Just to be clear - at Arena the minimum tip includes just what they say:  massage with masseur naked, HJ & showering together; however, the masseurs there are available for more, you just have to agree to pay them more.  For full services (sucking/fucking) the cost ends up being roughly the same as any of the other big shops.  It's like a no-frill airline.  If you want more pay.

For me, if I'm tired, bored, whatever - sometimes a simple HJ is the perfect end to the massage.  Other times, and depending on the guy involved, of course more acrobatic activities are involved.  

Sometimes at a place like Prime where the normal rule is no hanky-panky so I'm not really expecting anything anyway, if the masseur says he wants to give me a HJ, I'll even politely decline.  (!). It's just how I feel and what I'm looking for from each experience.  

[vinapu]

11 hours ago, DrimVoiz said:

On my personal experience @ Arena, I did not enter immediately to the door bcoz when I saw the muscular masseurs flexing in the gym inside, I got really nervous, so I walked away first from the entrance, then breath in and breath out, til I relaxed.

Arena and Senso are only two places when I still get goose bumps on approach even if I was in either one many,  many times. And I still like that feeling.

[vinapu]

3 hours ago, DrimVoiz said:

Just a comment, 4 me an extra service is not just HJ, it also includes BJ, p*n*tr*t**n, romance, kissing & muscle worship,

If I like the boy , just hand holding session would be enough for me , I never was so minimalist but I seriously mean it. 

[18past19]

The use of 20 baht notes in BKK (or should I say in Silom)?

I know that it's not even a dollar. But I thought there's still some use of it. For example, I can get anywhere in/around the city center with a taxi less than 5 bucks. It costed me only 40-50 bahts each way from my hotel to Arena massage yesterday. So, I thought I could still use 20 baht notes here. But the gogo boys, mamasans or even the doormen and luring men on the streets don't seem to appreciate it at all. is it because people in this industry expect much higher?

It made me wonder if there's still anyone else (apart from taxi drivers and house keeping mamas here at my hotel) who accept 20 baht notes??

[vinapu]

12 minutes ago, asnstudent said:

 

I know that it's not even a dollar.

it may not even be a dollar but it's still 20 baht.

In restaurants if bill is less than 300 baht I tip 20. In bars I tip 20 baht for each serving ( if I order 2 beers for me and boy at the same time I tip 20 , if I order another drink later on it will be another 20). 

Hotel maid will find 20 baht under my pillow in the morning.

In Nice boys in Pattaya you can have a feel of boy's good for   a 20 , gladly accepted.

In very few cases when I saw grimace at 20 baht bill I said 'if you don't like , give me back", somehow it never happened. In short 20 baht bill is God sent.

If door men or barkers don't accept 20 baht bill , fuck them. Never happened to me to see it rejected

 

[18past19]

Restless and reckless Cinderella just before the midnight:

Having missed my very first experience at Screw boys last year, I decided to go back there last night. It was Jason who brought me there last year. Thank you again Jason and I still miss you.

It was a Saturday night, and the club was fully packed to its maximum capacity. I got there around 11 pm and the show seemed to have just started. The room was completely filled with the smoke, but I decided to sacrifice some of my respiratory tract … the show was indeed quite long to my taste, including many lady boy performances, and one hard core performance between two young lads. The mamasans there did not pressure me at all, left me alone, but available when in need. I especially liked the one with more manly look in specs. According to mamasan, there were quite a lot of Vietnamese guys at their club (maybe it has become universal).. I spent almost 90 minutes inside the club under the smoke.

After I got back to my hotel, my previous night boy from LuckyBoys messaged me and asked me if I wanted to meet. So, I went out again to Foodland, took out some food for him. and he came to Foodland, and we came back to my hotel room together.

He left my hotel around 5 am this morning...

I have seen many interesting characters and events on this trip. It's very eye opening to me. Looking forward to more.

[18past19]

5 minutes ago, vinapu said:

If door men or barkers don't accept 20 baht bill , fuck them. Never happened to me to see it rejected

 

I went to moonlight 4 times during this trip (including one time when I didn't enter inside, but just to pick up babe boy at the entrance). On my last visit there, on my visit when I offed Charlee, on our way out, the barker kept harassing me, saying something like "you're very lucky", "you got the best boy the other night", "tip for me?"

so, I gave him a 20 baht note, and he made his face using all the small and large muscles on his face, like a playdough, and returned it back to me...

[jason1975]

Very happy to read of your experiences this trip, Asn. I remember vividly our time together last year at Screwboys and Foodland Patpong. Always interesting to eat at Foodland with boy. Enjoy the rest of your vacation!

[DrimVoiz]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

Arena and Senso are only two places when I still get goose bumps on approach even if I was in either one many,  many times. And I still like that feeling.

I still need 2 try Senso, hopefully on my next trip, I'm sure I'll also have the same excitement as Arena!!!

[vinapu]

8 hours ago, asnstudent said:

I went to moonlight 4 times during this trip (including one time when I didn't enter inside, but just to pick up babe boy at the entrance). On my last visit there, on my visit when I offed Charlee, on our way out, the barker kept harassing me, saying something like "you're very lucky", "you got the best boy the other night", "tip for me?"

so, I gave him a 20 baht note, and he made his face using all the small and large muscles on his face, like a playdough, and returned it back to me...

I hope you just took a note back and walked away leaving him empty handed, God forbid if you play his game and gave him more instead

[reader]

10 hours ago, asnstudent said:

It made me wonder if there's still anyone else (apart from taxi drivers and house keeping mamas here at my hotel) who accept 20 baht notes??

Here's one way to put this in context. Many of the staff who work the venues around Silom have their evening meals delivered by vendors who charge about 40 baht. So if you give someone a 20 baht note, it's half the cost of their dinner. If a guy chooses to turn up his nose at this, there are others who won't. That's what separates us from the animals: we take money.

10 hours ago, asnstudent said:

After I got back to my hotel, my previous night boy from LuckyBoys messaged me and asked me if I wanted to meet. So, I went out again to Foodland, took out some food for him. and he came to Foodland, and we came back to my hotel room together.

He left my hotel around 5 am this morning...

I have seen many interesting characters and events on this trip. It's very eye opening to me. Looking forward to more.

As you've learned, having a select stable of regulars is good practice. You know you're already comfortable with each other and and the quality of the experience is predictable. Glad that served you well as your trip draws to a close.

Agree that Foodland is a fine choice to get meals to go at a reasonable price that you and your guest will be happy with. And it's a 24/7 operation.

As I mentioned in another thread, having you and Gold Member posting great trip reports simultaneously has been a treat. Your keen sense of what engages the reader leaves us always looking forward to more. Thanks for the effort.

[ChristianPFC]

On 5/4/2019 at 8:38 PM, z909 said:

Any minimum tip of 1000 or 1500 for a HJ is incredibly poor value.    

Finally, the standard price for adding a HJ in the UK is £20, or 840 baht.  I definitely don't expect to pay more for that in Thailand.

My way of thinking! I rarely to go massage, but when I do it's looking for happy ending as well, and when the question of tip comes up, I offer 800 THB: 300 tip for massage and 500 for happy ending (getting my hands all over my masseur's naked body, mutual wanking).

I have boys from the apps coming to my room for 1000 THB, and we do everything to my full satisfaction. I can't justify going to a massage shop, paying 400-500 THB for the shop (some even more, but I don't go to these) and then paying the masseur 1000.

These places in Thailand make a killing from tourists who compare the prices in Thailand to prices in their home country, rather than to prices in Thailand. As you (z909) points out, some services are even more expensive in Thailand than in Europe. Absurd!

I would say, worldwide prostitution costs on average 1 or 2 average daily wages. The prostitution scene for tourists in Thailand is way over that. A friend in Austria gets boys for 50 to 100 EUR. Do others have numbers from elsewhere in Europe to support my estimation? I'm not asking for escort/model/agencies, but the average pay-for-play encounter arranged on the apps or in a bar.

AFAIK, most money boys in Europe are from Eastern Europe, not unsimilar to Thailand where many come from neighboring countries (except Malaysia)

 

[ChristianPFC]

On 5/5/2019 at 9:58 AM, asnstudent said:

The use of 20 baht notes in BKK (or should I say in Silom)?

is it because people in this industry expect much higher?

I don't care what people expect. They can expect to die some day, with that expectation they won't be disappointed.

For various reasons, I don't tip. And if someone ASKS me for a tip, I wish we were still living in times where it was socially acceptable to slap servants.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, ChristianPFC said:

I would say, worldwide prostitution costs on average 1 or 2 average daily wages. The prostitution scene for tourists in Thailand is way over that. A friend in Austria gets boys for 50 to 100 EUR. Do others have numbers from elsewhere in Europe to support my estimation? I'm not asking for escort/model/agencies, but the average pay-for-play encounter arranged on the apps or in a bar.

AFAIK, most money boys in Europe are from Eastern Europe, not unsimilar to Thailand where many come from neighboring countries (except Malaysia)

 

In Germany, 50~100 Euros seems to work, although getting to 50 is not that easy.    Barcelona 50 Euros in sauna Thermas.    

London is more expensive, with £80~120 being more normal. 

Of course, if you have a market like Thailand where the guys service tourists from overseas, then of course the ratio of tips to average incomes would be higher.

I think you are being over generous tipping 300 for massage plus 500 for happy ending.   The 500 is sufficient.    If you also paid 400 for the massage, then that's almost 4x the daily minimum wage paid out for 1 hours work.     In the regular massage shops, if they offer a happy ending and suggest a price, that suggested price is often 500.    So for happy ending, I tip 500~600 and nothing else  (unless of course the massage was exceptional) .  

Obviously if I'm getting full service, then I don't tip less than 1000.   

 

 

 

[18past19]

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 7:47 AM, vinapu said:

I hope you just took a note back and walked away leaving him empty handed, God forbid if you play his game and gave him more instead

Of course I did take it back and wished him good luck with that attitude.

[18past19]

My last day in BKK.... (5/5/19)

So, after the boy from LuckyBoys left my room around 5 am, I took a shower and slept for about 2 hours.. I woke up around 8 am, did some packing and had my brunch at Azuma myself before I went to see one of my friends in Ladprao.. after we spent some time together, he asked me to go to a massage shop together.. he's a local, but when I mentioned about Arena, he said he had not been there yet and he was very excited to give it a try especially since he is into muscular guys. 

He chose to go to V club.  Since he didn't want his driver know where we were really going to, he asked him to drive to a plaza near the Ari station. then we had an early dinner at Kub Kao Kub Pla thai restaurant.. price was reasonable and dishes were very delicious.. hard to control myself not to eat a lot just before getting a massage. From there, we walked to V club.. on our way, we noticed a few great looking guys and one of them indeed passed us over and walked into the V club ahead of us.

It was about 6:15 pm when we got there.. it was my first time to be there, and was surprised by many good looking masseurs standing on the stage. In my opinion, it was the place with the most good looking guys available at the specific time of my visit compared to others (Prince or arena). My friend wanted to go closer to have a better look, but being nervous (again), I insisted to stay at the back.. he chose a half naked muscular man and I chose a super cute shorter boy. Luckily, my boy turned out to be really cute on a closer look with a perfect muscular body when he took his shirt off.. we chose a 90 minute course, deluxe room for 950 baht and we were told that the minimum tip would be 2000 baht. The room was very small without a proper massage table. it seemed to be one of those private rooms for sauna guests. there was a bed of about 2 ft high, mirror on one side and a small shower booth on the other side.. nothing looked like what is mentioned on their site about deluxe room. My boy said he's from Vietnam, the cutest boy I've encountered on this trip, with a baby face, but nice eyebrows, perfectly muscular body, hairy at appropriate places, and very well endowed. But he had zero massage skills, and did not try to put any effort into it. The course that we chose was 90 minute oil, but he gave me scrub instead which I did not question since I was liking it anyways (or should i say i was liking him very much?). In the middle of the course, he said he ran out of the cream and left the room to get more cream.. he did not return until 10 minutes later. On his return, he told me a story why it was taking him that long and said sorry to me. he continued the scrub for a few more minutes, then I had to take a shower AGAIN. then I realized why he gave me a scrub... after I came out of my second shower, he gave me some back rubbing session (I cannot call it a massage), before he asked me to turn. The extra service was also mediocre if I can be generous. But to be fair to him, it was against his mentioned role preference. For those of you who wanted more specific details, yes it did include penetration part, but not to my utmost satisfaction. the whole session took only about 1 hour. He was the cutest guy of my trip this time. The massage place seemed to be managed quite well unlike what I experienced at Prince. The place looked nice, clean and fancy. But I may not return. If it was not my last day, i might have asked my masseur's Line info. I gave him 300 baht extra tip (so a total of 2300 tip to him)..We left the place around 7:30 pm, walked back to where his driver was waiting (at a plaza near Ari station). and they gave me a ride back to my hotel.

I finalized my packing.. since I still had a few more hours before my flight, I decided to go see Drim's Mr Perfect Guy since I haven't met him yet despite Drim's strong recommendation.

[vinapu]

4 minutes ago, asnstudent said:

 I decided to go see Drim's Mr Perfect Guy since I haven't met him yet despite Drim's strong recommendation.

and..... ?

[18past19]

So, I went to Dream Boys Paradiso and my plan was to off Mr Perfect Guy without entering the club. When I mentioned Mr. Perfect Guy's number to the doorman, he asked me to wait, he went inside, but came out to my frustration saying that Mr Perfect Guy was not working that day. The doorman didn't seem to have plan to let me walk away that night without any contribution to their business.. he insisted that I went inside and have a look at available guys. Because I was very reluctant to go inside, he asked me to take a look at the guys from the back door. it was even more weird. So, I went into the club instead. The place, as we all know here, was a tiny one. There were about 7-8 guys in jeans on the stage parading. None of them was appealing to me. There were more female than male customers in the club. The show started a few minutes later, with two guys dancing in their shirts and jeans.. followed by two ladyboys .. it was when one of the two ladyboys lifted her dress and showed off her male genitalia I paid my bill (350 baht) and left that place.  The advantage? I did have a chance to give a feedback about their camera and violation of their customers' privacy to one of their mamasans who said she would mention it to her boss. So, Drim, I had to save your Mr Perfect Guy for my next trip. one of the mamasans inside said he was with a customer for a few days. I hope I did not give them an impression that I was trying to change them. Thanks to a senior member here, I am aware that we should never try to change them, but just to learn how to like their way.

Being unsatisfied at DB paradiso, I continued to Tawan bar though I knew that it does not cater to my taste. the bar was almost empty when I got there.. only a few customers inside the club watching some guys on the stage - who were much bigger to my taste and more mature than I would have liked. One guy who appeared to be the smallest among his colleagues was trying to make a constant eye contact with me while he was on the stage, then came to my table, had some chatting, usual conversation such as where are you from? how long you stay in Bangkok etc? Throughout our chatting, he kept rubbing my thighs, and he was able to give me enough preparation for my last encounter before I concluded this trip. We left the bar after I paid my bill (350 admission fee, 500 off fee) and a small tip to mamasan, to have a quick and last minute pleasurable encounter before I happily concluded my second trip.

 

[Boy69]

" we chose a 90 minute course, deluxe room for 950 baht and we were told that the minimum tipwould be 2000 baht. The room was very small without aproper massage table. it seemed to be one of those private rooms for sauna guests. there was a bed of about 2 ft high, mirror on one side and a small shower booth on the otherside.. nothing looked like what is mentioned on their siteabout deluxe room."

Min. of 3000 baht seems outrageous rate ...