Expected tips for companionship

[paborn]

Another thread has raised the question of perceived or expected tip amounts in Bangkok and Pattaya.  As we are starting a new high season it might do to assess the 2019 expectations. By this, I mean the late 2018-2019 high season.

 

What do you all think of:

 

Bangkok: 2000 short time and 2,500-3,000 long time.

 

Pattaya:  1,500 short time and 2,000 to 2,500 long time.

 

Now, I'm talking about the expected ( by the boys ) going rate NOT the rate you finally agree on if you bargain.

[Guest]

People will argue like hell over this. A more scientific way of getting a result is to run a poll, although it may need 4 polls if you want to do short and long time in 2 cities.

 

Now, I'm talking about the expected ( by the boys ) going rate NOT the rate you finally agree on if you bargain.

For any boy in the business the rate he EXPECTS and the rate finally agreed on should be roughly the same.

Of course some might try it on by asking for 3000 baht, but they don't EXPECT it.

 

I would say 1000~1300 in Pattaya for short tine, although I only pay the lower figure if the service level was bare minimum (which is very rarely).

2000 is sufficient for long time.

I believe the boys in Boyz Boyz Boyz may have higher expectations, but I don't like the larger type of guy they have there, so I don't go there and don't know about it.

 

Bangkok, short time is 1500 upwards from the bars. Some of the guys on the apps have lower expectations. I found out by accident once, when someone quoted 3000 short time, I countered with 1000, fully expecting to settle at 1500, but no, he agreed to 1000. I later found he works on Soi Twilight.

[paborn]

For any boy in the business the rate he EXPECTS and the rate finally agreed on should be roughly the same.

 

I agree, in fact, that's what we mean by market expectations.  When I mentioned The agreed upon rate I was allowing for those who negotiate lower rates - it was a very different conversation in a different thread.

[abidismaili]

I was in Pattaya last October and 1000 baht I paid short time, almost never a discussion.

Some boys I paid more. One Cambodia boy took very very good care of me (way above what you can reasonably expect), he got 4000 baht (it was long time by the way, initial agreed price was 2000)

 

When I take a boy in a Pattaya gogo bar to my seet for a drink and chat (and kissing and feeling) I tipped about 300 baht after say 15 minutes sitting with him and kissing him and feeling him etc.

 

When I take a boy to sit with me in a beer bar I tend to tip 100 to 200 baht.

 

For oil massage without happy ending I tend to tip around 300 baht. With happy ending 1000 baht (in Pattaya).

 

For foot massage I tend to tip around 100 baht

[vinapu]

People will argue like hell over this. 

I don't argue , I just pay.

 

All prices above sound sensible, including abdismaili doubling the tip when service was extraordinary.

 

There are different boys and they have different expectations , even in the same bar. One may be offed 1-2 times a week , his friend may score the same 5 nights out of 7. Of course they will have different expectations and popular guy can afford being firm.  Week later when his luck will run out or customer he was favorite of goes home he discovers joys of being elastic on expectaicies.

 

So using guidelines above we should be prepared to be flexible. Guys will be too, rest assured.

 

We go for vacation to have fun and to get away from it all , not to crunch numbers constantly. By paying to much we don't lose face , just cash and in reality not that much, 1000 baht is 30 $, lots of money in Dollarama but not that much in Starbucks 

[bucknaway]

I look at it like this, I do not hire anyone to perform a service without knowing the cost first. I won't even get in a taxi, let them take me to a destination and try to pay them a perceived going rate. Sure you may get away with it a few times but your luck will run out.

[Jasper]

I don't argue , I just pay.

 

 

Haha I like your attitude.

[paborn]

One may be offed 1-2 times a week , his friend may score the same 5 nights out of 7. Of course they will have different expectations and popular guy can afford being firm.

 

I'm not sure where you're going with this. The two boys above have different levels of total income but there is no reason to believe that either is charging more than the market rate. Your point, however, about "holding firm" is valid as he knows he'll be taken off by someone else. Thus the first boy, with rent due, may accept less when bargained with. Still does not mean he did not start expecting the market rate.

[paborn]

I look at it like this, I do not hire anyone to perform a service without knowing the cost first. I won't even get in a taxi, let them take me to a destination and try to pay them a received going rate. Sure you may get away with it a few times but your luck will run out.

The world is changing and I may change with it but I have never negotiated a boy's rate even once in 31 years and never had a problem.

[bucknaway]

The world is changing and I may change with it but I have never negotiated a boy's rate even once in 31 years and never had a problem.

If what you are doing works for you, no need to change.

[Guest]

I look at it like this, I do not hire anyone to perform a service without knowing the cost first. I won't even get in a taxi, let them take me to a destination and try to pay them a perceived going rate. Sure you may get away with it a few times but your luck will run out.

I won't get in a taxi unless the price is agreed or the meter is on, but they are sharks, or some of them are.

In most of the world, I wouldn't hire an escort without fixing the price first. Even hiring via the apps in Thailand, I fix the price first.

 

However, most of the Thai bar boys in Thailand know how to behave & I've never had anyone turn around and tell me they want 5000 short time after the event. They know the going rate & expectations are in line with it.

If they did ask for something stupid, well I have no obligation to pay anything beyond normal rates.

[paborn]

z909 - I completely agree with you.  Frankly Taxi drivers are, indeed, sharks bar boys behave far better.

[vinapu]

Haha I like your attitude.

serves me well so far, not always but mostly

[vinapu]

One may be offed 1-2 times a week , his friend may score the same 5 nights out of 7. Of course they will have different expectations and popular guy can afford being firm.

 

I'm not sure where you're going with this

off one who is smiling at me today and try my luck with another one tomorrow

[abidismaili]

For me the expected tips are known and I gave you my list above. But for one tip I always am in doubt: in a gogo bar when you take a boy to sit with you and order him a drink. Then you will chat with him, kiss him, feel him. What do you tip him then and how long on aversge you let him sit with you for that tip?

 

For me it is about 300 baht for about 15 minutes sitting. But what do others do? I am least secure in this area about what is good practice.

[Terry4]

For me the expected tips are known and I gave you my list above. But for one tip I always am in doubt: in a gogo bar when you take a boy to sit with you and order him a drink. Then you will chat with him, kiss him, feel him. What do you tip him then and how long on aversge you let him sit with you for that tip?

For me it is about 300 baht for about 15 minutes sitting. But what do others do? I am least secure in this area about what is good practice.

Usually 100baht , maybe 150 if i felt his balls and cock .

[abidismaili]

And for how long? Seems low amount if you have him with you for 30 minutes. And kissing him 30 minutes etc.

[witty]

Wow! A marathon kiss!

I hope neither of you turn blue for being short of breath.

[abidismaili]

I mean in that 30 minutes time frame you kiss a few times. You feel his body. Then 100 baht seems low to me. But if this is the going rate I will adjust to it. Saves me some money. Just never sure about gogo bar tips. It are also bars I feel least comfortable.

[Londoner]

I'm with Paborn regarding discussion of prices. Negotiating prior to the event is a relatively recent development, perhaps encouraged by the apps. It was not expected in my bar-offing days (that is, up to about 2009) and was considered bad-form by the guys. In all those years (from 1995) I was never expected to negotiate and  money was never discussed. I can understand why.  

[PeterRS]

The world is changing and I may change with it but I have never negotiated a boy's rate even once in 31 years and never had a problem.

 

It has been the same with me. Never once negotiated a tip in many years of visiting Thailand. Only once had a boy who wanted more but it was just a try on. But I do agree it spoils the encounter.

 

Re Bangkok I read on another forum here that the special model boys in Moonlight expect between 5,000 and 8,000 baht, that is if they actually agree to go with you. Seems they have the right to choose. Also from what the Chinese ladies are offering in Jupiter 2018 seems the catwalk models there probably expect more than the basic minimum.

[Guest CaptainSwing]

I also feel that pre-setting the tip is a fairly recent development--don't the boys ever say "Up to you" anymore?  That used to be the standard answer.  Even then, though, it was fairly easy, with practice, to discern what they really expected.  But I never did this before the encounter.

[Guest CaptainSwing]

 Then 100 baht seems low to me. But if this is the going rate I will adjust to it. 

With all due respect, if it seems low to you then by all means you should tip more.  Your sense of a proper tip in a particular situation probably is more accurate than a theoretical "going rate."  For what it's worth, it seems low to me too.

[Terry4]

And for how long? Seems low amount if you have him with you for 30 minutes. And kissing him 30 minutes etc.

I thought you said 15 minutes?

[Terry4]

Usually 100baht , maybe 150 if i felt his balls and cock .

I told you my going rate for the 15 minutes as you asked for that time