hanan Posted October 20, 2018 Author Posted October 20, 2018 Seeing the video where the "victim" speaks thai sure makes me doubt the version published by ThePattayaNews.com on their facebooksite. Sounds more like they were both employees of Scandic and were fighting over a customer.
spoon Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 Now that we got the stories straight, i find the employee who was injured hot and yummy, while the one who got arrested isnt my type at all lol Dalewood and t0oL1 2
Terry4 Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 I overlooked the latest comments debunking this story but I shall let my response stand. For heaven's sake, have you seen the behaviour of my countrymen in Soi 6? I've seen plenty of instances of bad behaviour in Boyztown and Sunee; are the Britons and Germans responsible held to be typical of their countries or ethnicity? Any other examples of "Arab" misbehaviour in the area? Or was this example interesting because there are none? And now we have yet another reference to the Sunee motorcyclists, an issue which encouraged a barrage of racist comments on another forum a few months ago. You may recall that this included sick jokes about razor wire across the soi and other hate-filled posts. I'm sorry to say that much of this racism was posted by Americans but I know them to be atypical of their countrymen in Thailand. And I've met plenty. Just as I believe that this Arab to be atypical. As are the drunken British louts in Soi 6. I for one also find the comments regarding terrorists and religion offensive,one should look at who else the media labelled “ terrorists” back in the 80’s snd 90’s. And they were not if the musliim religion in Northern Ireland.
paborn Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 Not really the same thing. Back then it was Irish Catholics fighting Irish Protestants and no one, as far as ic a recall. labeled the Irish, as a race, terrorists. As a generally accepting person who reacts only when fundamentalism rears I's terrible, hateful head; I stand by my comments. But except that, in this case, the article was wrong. I still think it quite probable that the one was a southern Thai and that might have caused the confusion. It seems clear that it was a fight over a customer. I'd like to say that I'll never go there; however, there was one tall thin, swimmers build, shirtless guy in the background. Ah...
gerefan Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 I'm amazed, in this day and age, anybody believes anything they read in a newspaper
paborn Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 Oh Gerefan, not just today. Fifty years ago when I was at university and majoring in History my Historical research prof gave us the assignment to research something about fifty to one hundred years past. Read the newspaper and other sources, current at that time, and compare to the history of the event as written today. OMG, it would be fair to say newspapers are never right and have never been!
faranglaw Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 We go around in circles here on the issue of Islam. We don't want to be bigoted, but we have to deal with the obvious fact that a small minority of Muslims commit awful terrorist acts complicated by a Fundamentalist (mis?)interpretation of their religion, which is stronger in their religion just now than in the Christian of Jewish or Buddhist religions, although very present in those groups too. The way out of the circle that makes most sense to me comes from an interview in the 80s with Michael Harrington, a Democratic Socialist from the US. He stated that the Islam world is going through their Dark Ages now, similar in its rigidity and intolerance to the Dark Ages in the Christian World, ca 500AD-1400AD. During those Dark Ages it was the Muslim world that advanced education, science, mathematics, and an overall tolerance for other religions within the lands it ruled. When the Christians took over Spain in 1492 and expelled the Jews, it was the Muslim world that took them in. So just as the Muslim empires upheld science, reason and tolerance during the Christian Dark Ages, we in the nonMuslim world should uphold these same values while they go through their Dark Age. And those values would, IMNSHO, include not stereotyping the religion of Islam as supporting hatred or terrorism. Alizizou, t0oL1, vinapu and 1 other 4
khaolakguy Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 We go around in circles here on the issue of Islam. We don't want to be bigoted, but we have to deal with the obvious fact that a small minority of Muslims commit awful terrorist acts complicated by a Fundamentalist (mis?)interpretation of their religion, which is stronger in their religion just now than in the Christian of Jewish or Buddhist religions, although very present in those groups too. Try telling that to the Rohingya in Burma. Those peaceful Buddhists seem to be committing some horrific acts there.
faranglaw Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 Oh Gerefan, not just today. Fifty years ago when I was at university and majoring in History my Historical research prof gave us the assignment to research something about fifty to one hundred years past. Read the newspaper and other sources, current at that time, and compare to the history of the event as written today. OMG, it would be fair to say newspapers are never right and have never been! The word "nasty" comes from the name of the political cartoonist Thomas Nast, who published his political cartoons in the late 19th Century in the New York Times. In my college days ca 1970, it was fun to browse through the microfilm of the NYT ca 1880 and see the hair-raising political insults and fake news flying around then. paborn 1
faranglaw Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 Try telling that to the Rohingya in Burma. Those peaceful Buddhists seem to be committing some horrific acts there. Try reading the whole post before commenting, please. I specifically mentioned Buddhist fundamentalism too. Thanks. Nasherich 1
Londoner Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 "The Dark Ages" through which Muslims are supposed to be going have been imposed by our governments. The colonisation of the 20th century, culminating in that of Palestine 1948, the support for vicious autocrats and their oil, humanitarian interventions (sic) have resulted in blow-back. We call it terrorism and fight it with...well, our own terror. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. I tend to think that, so far, we've got off rather lightly compared to the mayhem and despair we've brought to the Islamic world..
Guest Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 "The Dark Ages" through which Muslims are supposed to be going have been imposed by our governments. The colonisation of the 20th century, culminating in that of Palestine 1948, the support for vicious autocrats and their oil, humanitarian interventions (sic) have resulted in blow-back. We call it terrorism and fight it with...well, our own terror. This is a little biased. Colonisation is certainly something we should not do, however it was largely replacing Ottoman colonisation. Incidentally, the Ottomans had some nasty practices too, including keeping a harem full of women, who were, of course, non Moslem, which makes it acceptable. The Moslems expanded their religion by force, including when they took over Spain. These things ebb & flow. We just need to be wary & never let it get to the stage where the other side has military superiority.
Popular Post spoon Posted October 22, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 22, 2018 All i can say is history is written by those who wins thus has always been biased based on the source. Rather than arguing about the past, id rather correct the misperceptions of the current situation. The OP article is one of many news that were spinned out of context just to paint bad reputation of arabs, when in reality its between two thai nationality. Why does this news article exist in the first place? Because thats what audiences wants to read and want to believe thus this story sells. To be fair, in muslim countries, news about the evil americans made the news too, and anyone can also argue the same. We live in a world full of lies, and we will believe what we want to believe. Unless it happened to you, your family or your friends, itll just be another story that becomes fact because u want it to be fact. paborn, Tintinx, bobsaigon and 2 others 5
vinapu Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 We live in a world full of lies, and we will believe what we want to believe. Unless it happened to you, your family or your friends, it'll just be another story that becomes fact because u want it to be fact. very wise and summarizes whole debate nicely indeed
Londoner Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Correct; that's why I went to Palestine for the first time in 2004 - to see for myself. It was a traumatic experience, i was frequently angry and often tearful at the suffering I witnessed ... and it changed my life. In the words of John Ruskin;"We did not travel for adventure, nor for company, but to see with own eye and to measure with our hearts." Vessey and Tintinx 2
paborn Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Londoner. I quite agree. When I post about Fundamentalism I'm not condemning any specific religion. I have seen the settlements and treatment and agree with you. I rush to point out; however, the Jewish settlers are, almost, to a man fundamentalists. The fundamentalist religious parties are the swing block that has knitted together the Israeli government. No government of Israel has ever had a majority, not even Ben Gurion, Likud rules because of it's coalition with the religious. Again, what is being done to the Arab minority is horrible but, sadly predictable. Remember... to make good people do bad things it takes religion. We hear about Islam more because there are more countries with fundamentalist Islamic governments than others.
bucknaway Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 I was about to post off topic. I'll just say I'm glad we were able to identify Fake News.
paborn Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 I'm glad you resisted. I think this really is the topic because the reality is that the reporter jumped to a conclusion and I think this thread became far more relevant in the end.
spoon Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Discussing about religion makes me think about the movie the life of pi and PK(hindi movie) both great movies picking on the philosophy behind religion (life of pi) and how human use it to corrupt others (PK) paborn 1
Guest Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 When I post about Fundamentalism I'm not condemning any specific religion. I don't follow any religion & would certainly not encourage anyone else to do so, but I respect the right of others to follow one. As long as they don't expect me to do so, or for me to fall in line with their religious views. Unfortunately, some do just that. For example, objecting to entertainment licenses for the local gay sauna, as it's near to a holy place (about half a mile from a Mosque). Considering the entertainment was only ever going to be INSIDE the building, this is intolerance. What I dislike is Fundementalism in any religion and people trying to impose their religion, or religious rules on others. As has already been stated, christianity has had problems in this area in the past. In more recent times, it's Islam. Israel certainly doesn't do the right thing in Palestine, so you are correct about that. However, there are at least a couple of other religions that spend more time telling the rest of the world how to live their lives than the Jewish do. Also, christians are now being driven out of many countries in the middle east, so that's hardly a shining example of behaviour either.
Jasper Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 What I dislike is Fundementalism in any religion and people trying to impose their religion, or religious rules on others. Like “Pattaya fundamentalists” who try to persuade forum members to go to only Pattaya and not to bother with Bangkok because everything is C*H*E*A*P*E*R over there? lol vinapu and paborn 2
paborn Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Good One. But, there have some Bangkok Boys who turn up their noses at the sleaze of Pattaya. Me? I swing both ways.
Terry4 Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 This is an example of something that bothers me a great deal. I behave, when traveling, as closely to the norms of the country I'm in as I can. I'm ready to be called an Islamaphobe but this habit of acting out because of "offense" at behavior witnessed is characteristic of Islam.Really ?? Why would you say this? Evidence? I doubt very much its a characteristic of every person in the Muslim religion. If yiu have a look at Pattaya Grindr you will see many Muslim guys on there. You have a perception only, just like those people who think every gay person has a limp wrist and talks with a lisp. Its called stereo typing and thats what your doing sadly,just like saying Jewish people are mean with their money etc. Its sad people think that way or have been made I guess to believe that way, its usually the older GEN unfortunately who have these beliefs. I always remember my parents particularly my Father hating African or black skin people,ironically I believe he had never ever met one but he had his perceptions around stereo typing them. And we cant stereo type everyone just because a few bad apples do something. vinapu and faranglaw 2
paborn Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 You grow more tiresome with every trolling post you make. In future, to me, at least, your posts will be invisible and unresponded to. Good Bye. TMax and hanan 2
Terry4 Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 With due respect Paborn , you cant take anyone disagreeing with you unfortunately, you seem to take anyone not agreeing with you as a insult and you seem take it too personally and to heart, my post is not directed at you “personally” because I dont know you. This is only a message board not something you take personally not something you would take to heart and get huffed about because someone disagreed with your views, everyone has different views and opinions and values in life. You have to accept that. My apologies, but Im not going to agree with you on every topic. You like everyone else have the right to put me on ignore . faranglaw 1
