Return - as a butterfy

[ggobkk]

Saturday

 

Up early, 5:30 am, jet lag…live with it.  Check the news…Trump…go to breakfast in hotel.  Back in room, message back and forth with Van, this is my first visit in many a year that he hasn’t been at least a part of it.  Pack.  Short walk in the ‘hood’ to the temple behind the Montien.

 

I’ve used Mike’s Taxi from Pattaya for my transport for several trips to the beach.  Mike’s drivers are always early and waiting patiently.  This time, I went to The Raya lobby 30 minutes before the agreed time only to find the driver already there. 

 

I sat in the front, rather than the back, as it’s easier to see the road and countryside (what there is of it) than from the back where the front seat headrests block the view.  Driver is English fluent and complains about how Thailand is being taken over by the Chinese.  He likes the “white” people as he refers to westerners (other than Russians). 

 

Trip takes a bit less than 2 hours and I’m at The Poseidon where registration formalities are waived, I’m taken to #31, which I’ve had before.  Two rooms, one with statues of gods and naked boys (the pedestal supports for a glass topped coffee table).  Reception brings a drink and some appetizers from Chef Bart (salmon on toast and some sausage on skewers). 

 

Went for a walk to and along Dongtan Beach.  I am impressed by the upgrades to the walkways, the installation of some fitness equipment, and improved accessibility.  It’s slightly overcast and there is a breeze. 

 

On the way back to Jomtien Complex, I get some text messages from a friend and we arrange to meet for lunch tomorrow.  Some changes in the complex, to the right of Dick’s Café there is now a wine shop (!), and at the corner to Dick’s left is a European style pastry shop.  The store opened just the week before and one sign gives the name “Bread” but the business card uses a person’s name.  Definite plus to the neighborhood and a high standard of pastry and breads.

Oh, and it’s right next to Fah massage.

 

I passed Fah by chatting up the boys and headed to the Blind massage shop for 90 minutes of abuse.  Even with a tip, I only spent 400 baht.

 

Back to the hotel, unpacked and charged up my electronics.  Around 7pm went to the dining room and indulged in Chef Bart’s cooking.  It’s amazing how the quality of the food is matched by the almost portrait ready presentation.  Dining room about half full, same as most of the other European style restaurants in the complex. 

 

I now notice that the construction that was taking place when I was last here in March has coughed up a rather large and brightly lit Chinese restaurant.  Given the tourist mix, probably a good idea.  It looks large enough to handle more than one busload at a time.

 

Jomtien is just starting to come alive, there is at least one new club, maybe two, and lots of remodeled clubs.  From good experience, I head for where @Home and Your Place are located. I have good to great success at both places.  @Home is celebrating its 3^rd anniversary tonight and has placed a dozen or so tables on the street in lieu of the usual chairs.

 

As fate would have it, I allow myself to be a Cambodian with a wrestler’s build and excellent English.   He’s only been in Pattaya for two weeks.  I would classify his as a quick learner.  I buy him a drink, we talk, and as we talk it starts to rain.  Both interesting and impressive to observe the boys from the bars move quickly pull chairs and cocktail tables to safety and continue on as if nothing happened.

 

My new friend (Pez) and I talk about things, how often am I in Pattaya, what[bD1] [bD2]  has he seen, etc.  I ask if he’s been to Boyztown, he tells me no, he tells me he understands that it’s a bunch of clubs where the boys are on stage shirtless.  He is interested as he has a friend (another Cambodian) who is at Toy Boys. 

 

I suggest that I off him and we go to Boyztown.  Agreement.  400 baht off fee.  I ask him what his fee would be if we were out for several hours.  Usual “Up to You”.  I said, I’d only go if he told me…1500 was stated and another agreement.

 

Rain is over for the night.  Incredibly quick ride to Boyztown.  Not much traffic and when we enter the street, there aren’t many people.  We check out the various bars and clubs.  Toy Boys said we were welcome to come in but the boys weren’t there yet (arrive at 9pm).  Walk the other streets, Dram Boys has only a few guys, more later.

 

We go to Cupidol, which I usually avoid from a bad experience with the mamasan.  We enter, and Pez recognizes two Cambodians.  I Invite them for a drink, Pez and I are the only customers.  Rain is starting up again and a few more customers drift in.  I am the only western farang.  Have a good time talking to the Cambodians, one – who is gay – gives me the inside on the other dancers who are Lao or Cambodian, with only one Thai.  Some nights, maybe later tonight, more Thais. About 20 boys tonight, universally twinks.

 

I go to the toilet where there is someone to provide buttock caressing while using the urinal.  Thoughtful service.

 

I give each of the Cambodians 100 baht and we are off to catch the Boyz, Boyz, Boyz parade.  Not tonight due to the rain.  We head to Toy Boys.  It’s a well-designed room.  About six guys on stage and more clocking in.  Talk with the mamasan (papasan here).  He checks out Pez and offers him a job in the lineup.  Pez in interested.  He looks for his friend but doesn’t see him.

 

I notice a very attractive, fitness model type standing in the back in his towel.  Even though I’m involved in the conversation with the papasan, I can’t keep my eyes from focusing on him.  But he doesn’t get on stage.  Finally, he does, as we are about to leave and I’m only waiting for change.  Without a towel and in his white briefs, he is even more impressive.  With an internal sigh of regret I tip him 100 baht and get a smile.  I mouth “tomorrow?”.  Another smile.

 

On the way to the baht bus, Pez asks if I want to off the boy.  I said not tonight, maybe tomorrow.  We head back to Jomtien, up to the room.  Pexz has a very impressive body and we shower together.  He tells me he didn’t drink any alcohol when we were out as it slows him down in bed.  Actions speak louder than words and he is an Energizer bunny. Only limit was he couldn’t do oral as he has a sore in his cheek.  The next forty minutes was among the most intense interpersonal activities this trip and probably the past couple of trips.

He is also a spooner when all things he has wiped off my chest.  We take another shower.  Talk some more, will I take him again,? maybe a three some?  I’m non-committal as this is my butterfly trip. But he has definite rerun potential.  We exchange Line contacts.

 

NOTE:  do others have the experience of finding that the Line names usually do not match the name given in the bar.  Someone wrote in a post that this is because the boys figure the customers can only handle short names.

 

He departs telling me he wasn’t going back to the club tonight but going to where e lives. Pez and I were together for 4  hours, so 1500 seemed fair and I add 200 more.

 

So ends Saturday

 

 

 

 

 

[paborn]

in Pattaya, what[bD1] [bD2]  has he seen, etc. 

 

Hi, great story - nothing happens when I click on these. 

[vinapu]

 

.

 

Jomtien is just starting to come alive......, 

 

As fate would have it, I allow myself to be a Cambodian with a wrestler’s build and excellent English. 

What? Hunk in Jomtien ? I need to re-evaluate my Pattaya visiting habits  

[ggobkk]

Sunday

 

Lots of noise during the night even with the double glazing on the windows, goes on all night.  I tend to sleep thought anything and treat it as background noise.

As I wake I think back on the final hours of last night, now that I’ve seen Pez in his full glory, I can best describe his body as that of a water polo player, which is slightly stockier than a swimmer. 

 

I can’t get the guy I saw at Toy Boys out of my thoughts…actually, I don’t try to get him out.  I recall that before he got on stage he was called over to meet some Chinese who had come in…I admit I had a minor jealous response and was relieved when he didn't sit with them.  I also appreciated that Pez was willing to yield to this guy.  Glad he didn’t as it was a most excellent evening.

 

Today is semi arranged.  My friend Ya is coming by to take me around and show me what he’s doing.  Many readers of the Fay Thailand forum will be familiar with Moses’ postings about the Siam Roads guides.  When I first booked with Siam Roads Ya (YaYa) organized the details and set me up with another guide, Mac, who was great.  Later he and I traveled to Laos and the River Kwai.  He left off being a guide to take up an opportunity in Pattaya to manage some properties owned or rented by some Americans.  We kept in touch and when I mentioned I’d be in Pattaya we agreed to meet and have lunch.

 

I got up and went out to take a walk to Jomtien Beach on the way there and back, I observed the empty buses coming to the larger hotels and picking up groups of Chinese tourists.  On the walk back, I picked up some pain chocolate and a croissant from the pastry shop, made some tea back in the room, caught up on the news, checked email, etc.

 

Ya and I agreed on noon as a meeting time, he’d said he’d pick me up at the hotel.  From traveling with him, I anticipated he wouldn’t be early like Mike’s Taxi.  I went down to the lobby and talked with Heiko the owner/manager and Chef Bart who were having breakfast. 

 

Ya kept texting me that he was on his way and arrived in a taxi around 1pm.   One of the guys whose properties he manages was rising along.  We hit it off as we are close in age and some experiences.  They treated me to lunch and then took me round to see the three properties.  All this time, the skies are just pouring rain.  It was good to catch up with Ya.

 

I’m back at the hotel around 4 and go to Fah to have a massage.  Pleasant, average, but I declined a HE as I was thinking about tonight.  I fully decided I’d go back to Toy Boys and see if I could find the guy who so caught my imagination.

 

Since it’s so close, I stop at the pastry shop, where they now know my name, and have tea and a dessert.  Lots of chocolate!

 

Back to the room for another shower and a sort nap.  Find several messages from Pez.  I reply, tell him, he’s my fall back tonight.

 

I head into town early as I want to walk along the waterfront and visit Sunee.  I'll never get to Sunee as I get distracted and then decide to have some street food.  I arrive back at Boyztown around 8:30pm, the Toy Boys papasan recognizes me as does the object of my desire who is eating at a table outside of club.  Papasan says to comeback at 9 when the boys begin work.  I go to Panorama for a drink checking out the work being done at Copa, looks close to being finished. 

 

I’m one of two customers at Panorama and invite a waiter to sit with me.  At 9pm there is a BBB parade.  About 20 in the line only one not wearing a shirt. Not a lot of energy but a lot of coaching on the song (!).

 

It’s now 9:10 and time to return to Toy Boys.  I give the waiter who sat with me 100 baht.

 

Papasan welcomes me back, my goal is already on stage. While, I’m the only customer, I don't want to take any chances of anyone else coming in and seeing what I see.  I smile and nod, he joins me.  I order drinks, he wants a Coca Cola.  He’s Cambodian – theme of this week.  We discuss possibilities, I make all the appropriate signs to the papasan, Sys (that’s an approximation of how I heard his name), goes to get dressed as I pay the fee.  The papasan asks me to ask my friend from last night (Pez) to consider working for him (!).

 

Sys returns, very fashionably dressed in a ballcap.  His V-shape torso obvious to all.  He asks where I’m staying, I tell him, and he takes my hand and heads off toe the baht bus stop.

 

On the bus, he takes and holds my hand.  At Jomtien we walk to @Home and Pez see us and comes over.  He asks that I call him when I’m finished.  He and Sys talk a bit…I suspect trade secrets about me.  As Sys and I walk back towards the Poseidon, I ask if he’d consider a three-way with Pez.  He says yes, we go back and off Pez.  Back in the room, showers, duos, and trios, sort of flood the floor in the bathroom.  Pez drops his towel almost immediately, Sys takes a moment, when he does his endowment is A+.  Beautiful.  I am a lucky guy tonight.

 

Pez takes over a leadership role.  Sys will give a BJ, so we link up and Pez, who last night couldn’t suck, is miraculously healed and takes up the challenge presented by Sys.

 

I’m not going to detail the gymnastics that took place over the next two hours, but some of it was active, some just caressing, some just being interconnected.

The next to final act was for the guys to come on my chest in two gushers.

 

I’m not Numazu who has such a better grasp of writing about the intimate moments, I can only say it was a great few hours.  We shower together, and Sys gives me his line (again, with a different name). We take photos…no I won’t share…

 

I tip each 2000 baht.  Not easy to say goodbye.  It’s around 2am, Jomtien is still alive, I’m exhausted and sleep.

[ggobkk]

in Pattaya, what[bD1] [bD2]  has he seen, etc. 

 

Hi, great story - nothing happens when I click on these. 

Sorry I wrote the text in MS Word and those were reference codes  that helped me to check my earlier posts.

[ggobkk]

NOTE - I still have three days to report on...and I'm leaving for Beijing in 30 hours.  So, what is yet to come may be more abbreviated. Hope to work on it once I'm packed.

[vinapu]

Certainly you did not waste time in Pattaya. I feel jealous.

 

Are you planning Bangkok extension from Beijing?

[ggobkk]

Vinapu - in response to your question, I’m heading back in to Bangkok November (I hope).

 

But from Beijing it’s directly back to California to keep some commitments and rebuild my bank balance.

[DivineMadman]

 

 

NOTE:  do others have the experience of finding that the Line names usually do not match the name given in the bar.  Someone wrote in a post that this is because the boys figure the customers can only handle short names.

 

 

It could be given name, real nickname or many guys also have a stage name (as it were).  Makes sense that the stage names are shorter and easier.  I have a friend who switched over to a stage name a couple of years ago, but spells out the stage name only in Thai script on his Hornet profile.  

 

There's a scene early on in the Thai movie "P", where a young women comes to Bangkok to work at a Patpong gogo bar and the mamasan tells the girl that the customers won't be able to pronounce her name and gives her an easier name for customers to use.  

[reader]

About LINE names, I get a mix of nick name they go by, their actual name, and something that seems to have nothing at all to do with either of the former. But since many include a photo, I find it easier to keep track.

 

Your level of attention to detail is really well balanced. Find myself riding with you in the taxi, sitting with you at Toy Boys (even though I've never been there) and talking with the boys. And discovering a good pastry shop.

 

The "sore cheek" or "dental work" explanation I've heard before, especially before first offs. Think they just want to see how the evening goes before getting too intimate. It also allows them to do something special for you if they like you and you take them again.

 

It's always fun to read reports from guys who have truly enjoyed themselves--and others.

 

 

[ggobkk]

Monday – Butterfly back to Bangkok

 

Up at 5am – three hours deep sleep.  Not enough, but still on a high from last night’s exhilarations.  Think about delaying my return to Bangkok by a day and possibly recreating last night…but know that’s a bad idea.  Though both Pez and Sys have sent me messages and emoticons galore.  I reply with emoticons.

 

Morning walk to Dongtan Beach as the sun rises.  Back at hotel, with a pastry in hand, I make some tea and find that some more sleep is possible.

 

Up, breakfast at The Poseidon, the cross over to the TMB bank’s ATM for a cash infusion.  Back to the hotel, finish packing which takes only a moment as I barely unpacked.  Mike’s car service scheduled for noon, arrives (as I expected) at 11:20.  Driver has only a minimum of English…which is better than my Thai.  So, I ride in the back and doze.

 

Trip back to Bangkok takes close to 3 hours.  Traffic and he driver avoiding tolls.  I’ve changed hotels and will spend my last three nights at the Tarntawan Surawong (new name for the Tarntawan).

 

First thing I notice is there is some heavy-duty work being done in the courtyard near the entrance.  I assume it’s part of the new management’s program to upgrade the place…this theory is demolished within seconds of my registering as the desk clerk tells me the hotel doesn’t have any water (!). 

 

I’ve prepaid Agoda for my stay and am stuck.  Security guard, who is new to the staff as I knew it, takes me up to room 603 which has a view of Prime Massage from its windows.  Room is clean with all the usual amenities including a return of the welcome drink and fruit basket.

 

I plug in my electrics and go out for a massage.  I head for Prime as anticipating no water works against an oil massage which (for me) requires two showers, one at the shop, and one back at the room to get rid of the oil.  So, I submit to another two-hour bout of Prime practice.  What’s interesting is that when I arrive, I am the only customer in the foot massage area (first downstairs room by the registration desk).  This does not last as all the chairs are full before long and I observe a very steady stream of folks coming down for their shoes after their massage.

That said, usual Prime program where after being folded and bent and kneed in my back, I emerge feeling wonderful. 

 

Observation – Indra Massage’s location is now an Art Massage outpost, Indra has moved a few doors to the right. 

 

Back at the hotel, there is now an enormous truck carried piece of Machinery making lots of noise.  In the room, I turn on the tap and release a stream of brown water…this is a good sign and I let the water run.  Maybe fifteen minutes later it runs clear.  Toilet flushes brown water and after a few flushes is clear.  Ditto for the shower – though there is little water pressure.  Glad I had a shower in Pattaya.

 

It’s now around 8, so I head out for dinner, thinking I’ll try the French Restaurant in Patpong, mentioned by DivineMadman.  It’s located to the right of Screwboys and Too Boys across from the cart that sells sex toys and lady’s lingerie.  There was no one, other than staff, in the restaurant and the menu looks too similar to The Poseidon’s (i.e. heavier than I want tonight).

 

So, I head to Soi 4 and have dinner at G’s, the German restaurant.  The owner is a bit of a character, and his staff keeps the pace humming.  Good wheat beer.  Food is heavy (see hypocritical note on avoiding heavy meal at French restaurant, above). 

 

Head back to Twilight, have a drink at Maxi’s, let Pau catch me up on what happened over the weekend.  Tom, Maxi’s owner, stops by and asks how I found Pattaya.   I mentioned how quiet Boyztown was, he says he’s head that both Copa and Ambiance have been bought by Chinese interests.  Copa is about to reopen (from what I could see the remodel looked to be a definite improvement.  If the rumor is accurate, one wonders how the new owners will market the hotels and to whom.

 

Decide to check in at Hot Male upstairs, seated only for a few seconds before surrounded by the Viet boys.  Peter asks me to take him off, but I decline with a smile.  The mamasan joins us, I converse and watch the show.  I’m drawn to #31.  Check with the mamsan.  All the usual things to check off are checked off.  When Peter goes on stage for his number, one of the other Viets takes it on himself to call #31 over to sit with me.  I like what I see, his voice is a bit disconcerting as its pitched higher than most.  He’s Cambodian…story of my week.  We negotiate…nothing extraordinary.  Off to the Tarntawan, guests still required to turn in their identification.  We adjourn to the 6^th floor.  All is well and good, but not as good as the previous night.  I’ve adjusted my standards…  He departs, security checks to see if I still alive.

 

 

Tuesday

 

Up at a reasonable hour, go down to breakfast, new breakfast staff, same menu.  Notice that most of the others are male/female couples.  Talk with some newlyweds from Mexico.  Seems the hotel is marketing to honeymooners.  Organize my day – knowing that I might be back in November for almost a two week stay, I decide to check out Bandera Suites which has been recommended to me for both price and service.  Location puts it closer to Babylon and The Prince.  Find it and am given a tour of possible rooms (major difference is the location, the higher the floor the pricier the room.  Like the pool and gym, definite possibility.  Later I’ll mention this to Tom at Maxi’s and he tells me he has several regulars who stay there.  Have to think about this.

 

Walk to Pilot Pen and pick up some pens, I like the 1.0 gel pens.  Now, I’ve been walking for a while and decide to go to Central World and walk indoors, also want to visit Isetan looking for a gift for some friends at home who love everything Japanese.  Do not find anything in my price range.  Stop at Greyhound for lunch on my way back to the BRT.

 

I get off and start walking down Silom, as I pass Soi 4, I see Nim; Nim sees me.  Do I want a massage?  I say “yes”, but later.  I pick up my shoes from Tony Leather, need to wait a bit while an adjustment is made. Then to Excelsior to pick up my suits.  I ask the guys to fold everything to make it easier to pack.  I watch and wonder if I can duplicate this art form.

 

Back to Tarntawan, see new manager, who is a nice guy, and he thanks me for my patience with the water problem.  Speaking of water problem…I’m ready to find Nim for a massage but the skies have opened up and it’s raining in buckets.  Eventually it clears. And I head to Soi 4.

 

Nim is available…we agree on ninety-minute massage.  This time is very different, first, the restaurant is open, so I can see where the stairs are.  Second, Nim makes it an intimate, romantic massage and we are intertwined for most of the hour…note, this time, the room had the mat on the floor, no massage table, no shower in room.  Worked better for us.  Nim is a find. 

 

Back on the streets, I pick up some “Genuine Thai Silk” shirts “just like Jim Thompson” at 250 baht each, no wonder Jim Thompson disappeared.

 

Drop the shirts off and head over to Maxi’s for updates from Pau and some food.  Actually, I had a mix of appetizers rather than a meal.   I know I didn’t finish it and invited X and another boy form HM2 to join me and finish what was there.

 

Talk a bit more with Tom, he’s added music on Friday nights and has some very full houses.  Business is good at Maxi’s.  It will soon improve even more with the arrival of PaulSF.

 

One of my goals was to visit the new clubs, I still hadn’t made it to G Boys.  As the Hot Male grabber in chief attempts to have me go upstairs and I tell him where I am going, he decides to take me there and introduce me (is there a commission?).  Which he does, and I am greeted by two red jacketed waiters and a mamasan, and then a second mamasan.  I am the only customer.  Eight boys on stage in rotation and two coyotes. 

 

Boys are all twinks.  Two look to be underage, mamsan tells me they are 18.  Mamsan is a techie and shows me photos of the boys on her phone and indicates by number the ones who might appeal to me.  Some more customers enter, and they immediately call over the two that looked underage.  I nod to one of the coyotes and to an another who has curly hair (a bit of a rarity).  Coyote is from Thailand but is more into watching the other coyote than in any interaction.  The other boy, a Cambodian (no surprise, this week) is all over me, hands roaming, and head on my chest. 

 

I send the coyote back with 100 baht for his time.  I off the other, name Rit Rit. He stays with me for almost three hours.  Most of the time he’s just intertwined with me, holding me close.  Intimacy is there, and intimate activities are ok.  Very gentle boy, about 2am, I suggest that it’s time for him to go.  More cuddling and he leaves around 3am.  With Nim earlier and Rit Rit its being a different kind of interpersonal day from my last night in Pattaya.  Pleasing in its own way.

 

 

Wednesday – last full day

 

Up around 9 (late for me).  Breakfast, more hetero couples and a family.  Tarntawan is definitely different than in the past.  No one is dining with someone who might have been an overnight off.  Miss the comparing.

 

Not much planned, need to pack, and need a few gifts for my friends in China who I will be seeing in a week.  Off to MBK and a chance to get in some more walking mileage.  BTS back, see Nim on my way back to hotel.  We exchange Line contacts. 

 

At the hotel, I take a long nap, as I need to leave for the airport at 4am to catch the first of my flights home. 

 

When I wake up, it’s 6pm.  I head over to Maxi’s to begin saying goodbye. I buy Pau a drink and we talk a bit between his helping other customers. Say goodbye to Pau and Tom, then a goodbye drink with X at HM2, a stop upstairs at Hot Male and goodbyes to the Viets, #31, and mamasans.

 

While I was at Maxi’s, I sent a Line message to Nim to see if he could join me after his shift ended.  “Yes” is the reply and we meet at the hotel.  He stays with me until the alarm wakes us for me to get my act together and go to the airport.  Say goodbye to Nim in the room, he helps me to a taxi.  

 

At airport in less than 30 minutes.  I have Gold status with ANA, at check in, I’m told my seat has been moved to Premium Economy, so I’ll have a window seat and the rest of the row will be empty.  I take advantage of my age and use the monks and air crew priority line for immigration.  I'm through all the formalities in about ten minutes.  Three minutes of which was for security to decide if my battery was ok to fly with.  It was.

 

At the Star Alliance club (managed by Thai Airways) a light breakfast and some tea.  Reply to a bunch of messages from Nim, Pez, Rit Rit, and Sys.  All could have careers in marketing.

 

I started out this trip with the intent to be a butterfly.  Goal achieved.  Not going to try to rate the different experiences.  Though, I can say there were no bad moments with the guys, I didn’t feel pressured for tips nor were any encounters rushed.  The Pattaya guys and Nim linger most in my now week-old memory bank.

 

Hope I haven't run on too long and not bored those who have read my jottings.

[DivineMadman]

Great report!

[vinapu]

 

Hope I haven't run on too long and not bored those who have read my jottings.

wow, delicious report and I wish it was longer, actually after reading last part I re-read all days  from the beginning to get better grasp of which boy is which. We are waiting patiently for your next report. Have a nice trip to Beijing. 

[ggobkk]

wow, delicious report and I wish it was longer, actually after reading last part I re-read all days  from the beginning to get better grasp of which boy is which. We are waiting patiently for your next report. Have a nice trip to Beijing. 

 

I'm honored by the compliment from the master of reports. 

 

What I didn't include in my "prose is that I take a few minutes each morning to jot down in a journal what went on the day/night before.  From reading others' reports, I'm learning to remember numbers pinned to briefs, fees, etc.  Without that journal, I'd never be able to put a report together when I return home.  I must also give credit to jet lag which allows me lots of 3am time to write (!).

 

I'm still trying to master inserting photos (Grade of F so far),  And I continue to learn from forum members such as yourself PaulSF, Reader, DivineMadman, A447, and Numazu, about people, and places, and things that have assisted me in my visits.  Examples: Exchange booths, keeping change in separate pockets, Nantra massage (this trip), Spa Bangkok, Senso...

[vinapu]

 

 

 And I continue to learn from forum members ...

that the beauty of forum like this,people are bringing their own ideas, warnings and recommendations which we can utilize if inspired.

 

I doubt I ever stay in Nantra Silom and Raya if not xiluzer,  at Classrooms and Baan Silom if not z909 , I learned about Madrid Pizza from ChristianPFC, biguyby showed me Salt and Pepper and Das Berliner, abang recommended Kiss , firecat pointed at Boat Bakery ,  paulsf showed me joys of sitting in Hot Male downstairs and 1MoRussian told me about now defunct S52 Massage in Sukhumvit soi 52.

I learned here about Banana Club and Senso and Bank of Thailand Museum. 

 

And I'm sure many of us could draw similar list.

[paborn]

This is another wonderful report. I concur with everything Vinapu has said. I learn something new every time I log in. But, moreover, there is a gracious friendliness to the posters here that makes it a great place to be. 

[kokopelli]

So very true, paborn. 

[vinapu]

 there is a gracious friendliness to the posters here that makes it a great place to be. 

I guess it's our way to bribe members to post 

[ggobkk]

Civility goes a long way

[khaolakguy]

Very entertaining and droll reports, thank you

[Boy69]

I think the off fee's and 2000 baht for the boy is getting out of hand..too much in my eyes...for the visitor..ok,,have money in the budget..but for residents...this is getting expensive for them to enjoy as much as they would like to..

I agree BKK becoming more and more expensive,Pattaya is a better option for visitors on budget.

[vinapu]

it must be something with forum nick ending with '9' as this is what both members complaining , not without merit , about costly Bangkok , have in their forum names. Coincidence or pattern?

[ChristianPFC]

One general note: I pay for services at the going market rate. So short time in Bangkok is 2000 THB, long-time 3000.  In Pattaya, it’s 1500 for short time and I didn’t discuss long time, though the Toy Boys mamasan said 2000 plus.

 

I cannot leave that uncommented, lest others think 1500 is the going rate for short time in Pattaya. It is not! I'm paying 1000 for short time wherever I take boys (online, Eros, Nice Boys, Power Boys, Dream Boys Pattaya, Kawaii while it was open) and they queue/beg/implore me to go again with me. Others report the same.

 

Only Toy Boys and Boys Boys Boys (and maybe A-Bomb?) try to push the rate to 1500, one of the reasons why I don't go to these bars.

[Jasper]

Christian,

 

To be fair, you should also clearly specify the boy type that you’re after.

I guess you like thin twink type right?

From my understanding, it’s well known that muscle hunks charge more in Pattaya.

If ggobkk was looking for hunks he is probably right in saying 1500B short time.

[Boy69]

Yes I agree with ChristianPFC ,In Pattaya my type of boys twinks slim 18 to 21 y.o. boys it's 1000 for the stunners it can be push hardly to 1500 Bhat .if they sence naive newbies they will try to extract more .BKK is more expensive this is why I hardly stay there nowdays.