RentMen Escort No-shows

[nynakedtop]

OK maybe it's just me... Perhaps I am (mistakenly) applying a New York sensibility where it does not belong.

 

I wanted to make an electronic connection today with someone and I replicated what I usually do in the USA, I went to the RentMen site and looked at some profiles, sent some messages, received responses, began to make the logistics for meeting, and then.... nothing.... they just disappear.

 

Is this unique to the RM site here.... or something I should expect when dealing with apps.... These guys are higher priced entities, so I expected a bit more "professionalism" in the process.

 

Should I just go back to Soi Twilight.... and Nature Boy, et al?

 

Curious minds want to know.....

[reader]

 

Should I just go back to Soi Twilight.... and Nature Boy, et al?

 

 

Yes.

 

Twilight, Patpong 2, massage shops, Moonlight, Soi Six, Jupiter, BTS....just about anywhere.

[nynakedtop]

Yes.

 

Twilight, Patpong 2, massage shops, Moonlight, Soi Six, Jupiter, BTS....just about anywhere.

 

OK.... being selfish here - if you had to pick ONE (not that i am saying you should....) where would you (I) go?

[reader]

OK.... being selfish here - if you had to pick ONE (not that i am saying you should....) where would you (I) go?

 

Fortunately I don't have to pick ONE so here's my simplest recommendation:

 

At any of the bars, shows, or massage shops where guys are assembled outside, you get to see them in the flesh so therefor they're unlikely to disappear. You're own your own from there but I'm confident you'll know how to proceed.

[nynakedtop]

Fortunately I don't have to pick ONE so here's my simplest recommendation:

 

At any of the bars, shows, or massage shops where guys are assembled outside, you get to see them in the flesh so therefor they're unlikely to disappear. You're own your own from there but I'm confident you'll know how to proceed.

Appreciate your words of encouragement... I am a long time BKK vet so not sure why I am having this moment of uncertainty.

 

Also, upon reflection, I think some of the problems I had with RentMen guys may simply have been due to language barriers, something I did not expect in these days of google translate!

[Guest]

1 Try Grindr, Hornet or Planet Romeo. From my experience, if I post my photo (mature farang), most of the incoming enquiries in Bangkok are from money boys.

2 Massage shops. If you see one with a boy who takes your fancy, walk up to him & ask for a massage.

3 Bars. Which bar to go to depends on what type of boy you like. If you're unsure, just take your time when entering the bar, so if it's not to your liking, you can swiftly leave, before sitting down and ordering a drink.

[vinapu]

. I am a long time BKK vet so not sure why I am having this moment of uncertainty.

 

 

perhaps your Thai fast lasted too long?

 

just go and see for yourself, if you like boy make sure you made some eye contact  with him to see reaction, if he avoids it , move on to  a next angel

[Boy69]

perhaps your Thai fast lasted too long?

 

just go and see for yourself, if you like boy make sure you made some eye contact with him to see reaction, if he avoids it , move on to a next angel

Yes I agree eye contact is very important. usually if the boy smiles he wants you but if he's frowned or ignoring you It's a clear sign to move on to the next boy.

[nynakedtop]

perhaps your Thai fast lasted too long?

 

just go and see for yourself, if you like boy make sure you made some eye contact  with him to see reaction, if he avoids it , move on to  a next angel

I love and honor your advice, but it is not always perfect.

 

Ended up at Screwboys (on Patpong) last night - it was my first time there and it is a really impressive place. Much of it to be liked - generally reasonable prices, helpful non-pushy staff persons, and a wonderful assortment of guys. 

 

There were enough customers there so I did not feel as though all eyes were on me alone (which is cool) but not so crowded as to make the place uncomfortable. I put myself in the mindset of who would I have picked had I just walked into a massage place. One young gentleman did the whole eye contact/smile thing with me (which I really appreciate) so I gestured him over and took him off.

 

But, well, all was not, alas, perfect. He was generally younger than I usually go for (but it fit my mood at the time)... Vietnamese guy (claimed to have been in BKK for 3 weeks), with minimal English, and sketchy command of Thai. But he had such a sweet face and disposition, and smooth, flawless skin ... yet, the "carnal" segment of the evening just was NOT good.... as in NOT GOOD AT ALL... he clearly does not want to be doing what he is doing to earn money, he tried to fake it, but really could not.

 

Sigh.

 

Which leads to a question -- I want to go back and off some other guys there that caught my attention. Is it bad form to "ignore" last night's guy, and just proceed? It feels downright rude to me, and I do not want to insult anyone... Or am I just overthinking this all?

 

Thanks -- off to Pattaya for 5 nights at the Agate... guess I should start a trip report now that my jet lag is more or less in check.

[spoon]

If the guy u took before didnt do his part of the deal, just ignore him next time u go to bar. or you can go to other bars too. It helps if you can communicate first with the boy in the bar what u want and what he can or cannot do before you off him. Use mamasan help to translate if u must, but i know some dont prefer that.

[nynakedtop]

If the guy u took before didnt do his part of the deal, just ignore him next time u go to bar. or you can go to other bars too. It helps if you can communicate first with the boy in the bar what u want and what he can or cannot do before you off him. Use mamasan help to translate if u must, but i know some dont prefer that.

 

Thank you - I know that this will sound hopelessly naive to all of you, but when I hire someone at a bar for sex, I have the assumption that sex will really happen.

 

Guess I need to re-examine some of my assumptions.

 

(BTW: has anyone actually heard a bar worker say during the "negotiation" process that they do NOT do something? You know, other than the "he/I do everything" response)

[paulsf]

I don’t find it unusual at all to find guys that say they “won’t do that”. If you sit and have a good conversation with them and explain what you really want, the guys I’ve been with have been honest. I know of a few customers that tell the boys, this is what I want and this is what I will pay, if you don’t do what you say, I’m not going to pay you,

But I think your correct in saying if you just take a boy expecting it all to happen, it won’t.

[nynakedtop]

I don’t find it unusual at all to find guys that say they “won’t do that”. If you sit and have a good conversation with them and explain what you really want, the guys I’ve been with have been honest. I know of a few customers that tell the boys, this is what I want and this is what I will pay, if you don’t do what you say, I’m not going to pay you,

But I think your correct in saying if you just take a boy expecting it all to happen, it won’t.

And one of my problems, I will admit it, is that I find "explicit conversation" to be, well... a bit crude.

[vinapu]

I love and honor your advice, but it is not always perfect.

 

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Which leads to a question -- I want to go back and off some other guys there that caught my attention. Is it bad form to "ignore" last night's guy, and just proceed? It feels downright rude to me, and I do not want to insult anyone... Or am I just overthinking this all?

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Thanks -- off to Pattaya for 5 nights at the Agate... guess I should start a trip report now that my jet lag is more or less in check.

I'm sorry to hear it did not work for you this time but it will not stop me for dispensing the same again - chances are boy smiling  at you will perform better than one who is avoiding your eye

 

*****

you are overthinking it, boys are used to butterflies and will not take it as offence if you bypass them next time.

Sure,  if you offed boy several times , than he will feel like he owes you next time you enter bar but even then you are one who is paying and choosing

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first make sure you enjoy your vacation time and post report only when you feel like, it's  a bit of time consuming as you know

 

 

... but when I hire someone at a bar for sex, I have the assumption that sex will really happen.

 

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(BTW: has anyone actually heard a bar worker say during the "negotiation" process that they do NOT do something? You know, other than the "he/I do everything" response)

 

assumption is correct but not every  top will bottom and not each bottom will rise to an  occasion so to speak, not to mention other limitations boy and you may have

*****

 

actually it happens often , they either answer honestly or even volunteer  up front what that will and won't do

 

And one of my problems, I will admit it, is that I find "explicit conversation" to be, well... a bit crude.

it is and may take some fun out of all process but rest assured both boys and mamasans heard it all and even more.

 

an alternative is just go for it and hope for the best but don't be surprised if that will not work as you regretfully discovered last night. It doesn't mean your time and money will be wasted , even if boy will not do this or that you may find other things to do with him in order to have a fun.

 

If every detail is worked out in advance whole encounter may turn out to be very mechanical which may or may not suit you.

 

I, if one asks me, discuss only fee, length of time and kiss yes/no , leaving everything else to a chance and joys of discovery.

[Boy69]

It's not the first time we heard about bad experience with Vietnamese boys I suspect most of them are straight from very poor families that have no choice but to work in the sex industry to earn a leaving.The same can be said about the Shan boys working in Chiang Mai many bad reports about them as well.

Better reports about the boys from Cambodia and Laos.

I personally taking only gay Thai boys .

[Londoner]

I appreciate that there are some who say they prefer straight guys. However, if you are taking one off you must be prepared for an unsatisfactory experience for obvious reasons. Boy69 is spot-on. I'd never consider offing a straight guy. And with so many gay ones available, why take the chance?

[nynakedtop]

What can I say.... I am overwhelmed with the good feelings and support here - as one person pointed out to me in private, the point is not to be negative about the experience, but just to take it as part of existing here in thailand... that there are definitely social forces at work here and they have an effect on the people who both work in and partake of the joys and pleasures provided here.

 

so i am now in pattaya for the holiday weekend and i will go forward on my pursuit of pleasure here....

 

one thing that i want to re-emphasize (because the thread here became a bit more about me than i had intended..) is that Screwboys is really a "class act" -- no one pushed me to buy drinks for them, no one asked me for tips, no one pressured me - I stopped going to some Soi Twilight bars because I constantly felt that my space was being invaded by people hounding me (here that, Fresh Boys Bar) - you know I will now be a regular at Screwboys because their business model simply works for me!

 

Maybe I should re-name this thread (or start a new one)!

[vinapu]

I personally taking only gay Thai boys .

 

 I'd never consider offing a straight guy. And with so many gay ones available, why take the chance?

don't you guys think you are voluntarily limiting your choices ?

[vinapu]

 

 

so i am now in Pattaya for the holiday weekend 

hope 'dry' weekend will not interfere with your plans. 

 

Please let us know how bar opening situation on Friday and Saturday was in Pattaya 

[Guest]

The majority of boys put up a performance in bed.

To decrease your chances of failure:

1 Try to pick boys that make eye contact & smile at you in the bar. However, this is one of the rules that you can probably break a bit, as long as he's tactile & cuddly when sitting next to you.   

 

2 Decide what you want to do & ask him in the bar & get clear answers direct from him. If he's at all hesitant about some service you regard as essential, just say no.    

 

3 Explain something along the lines of "no f*ck, no tip", referring to whatever services you particularly expect. Make sure he understands. Be prepared to act on that.

 

4 If you like kissing, try that in the bar.   I think this is again not foolproof, as some may be shy in the bar & great in the bedroom. 

 

5 Read these forums.   There have been several reports about Vietnamese boys not performing in Bangkok.   So you would need to be on your guard with them.  

I just wish people would insist upon not paying then until they have performed, then they would either need to  provide the promised service or clear off & EARN their money somewhere else. 

The lads in Pattaya from Thailand, Cambodia & Laos are more likely to fulfil their side of the bargain.

 

6 If it's not going well, remind your lad what needs to be done to earn his tip.     It's quite rare that I've found this necessary, but have had good results with this approach.

 

Share  your tips here as well please.

[nynakedtop]

hope 'dry' weekend will not interfere with your plans. 

 

Please let us know how bar opening situation on Friday and Saturday was in Pattaya 

I reported on another thread - rather than duplicate it here, let's just say that Pattaya is "serene"

[reader]

I'm thinking about a few times when I came across a guy who, for whatever reason, was unable to perform. I don't believe now that I was intentionally deceived.  I think he had hoped he could pull it off but some things just can't be done even with the best of intentions. I have to admit that I've been unable myself to perform in situations in the past.

 

As was mentioned above, perhaps a good way of handling these rare events is to try to make the best of it. If I think he's embarrassed by his predicament, I'm certainly don't want to compound the problem by berating him. I'd tend to put him at ease and try to salvage the experience. Maybe just some gentle cuddling will cause him to relax. I might also try giving him a bit of a massage (never ran across a guy who didn't enjoy having someone--anyone--rub his back).

 

I'm not precluding that there are some guys out there who are indeed deceitful but I just having run into them here as I have done on more than a few occasions back home.

 

All told, however, satisfactory outcomes are the rule. I'm heartened by your decision not to blacklist Screwboys in particular or Viet guys in general. I can assure you that there are many out there who have made me more than grateful that I chose them.

 

And I agree that Screwboys is a class act that will be near the top of my list when I return.

 

 

[Boy69]

Most of the boys perform very well only twice happened to me that they were useless so I pretend as nothing happened spoke politely with many smiles cut the tip to minimum and said goodbye.it's not a big deal.

[Guest]

I'm thinking about a few times when I came across a guy who, for whatever reason, was unable to perform. I don't believe now that I was intentionally deceived.  I think he had hoped he could pull it off but some things just can't be done even with the best of intentions.

 

I presume you're talking about someone being unable to get an erection, in which case, you may be right to be tolerant.  I don't hire people to for that, so it's not a major consideration.

 

However, if the lad has agreed to suck, kiss & bottom & does none of that, then I think deception is a factor.    This kind of attitude is rare, but the ones that completely fail need to learn that if they don't keep their side of the bargain, they don't get paid.

[ChristianPFC]

I wanted to make an electronic connection today with someone and I replicated what I usually do in the USA, I went to the RentMen site and looked at some profiles, sent some messages, received responses, began to make the logistics for meeting, and then.... nothing.... they just disappear.

 

Is this unique to the RM site here.... or something I should expect when dealing with apps.... These guys are higher priced entities, so I expected a bit more "professionalism" in the process.

I have no experience with RentMen in Thailand, but I use other similar websites/apps (gboysiam, gayromeo, hornet, blued) for free and paid hook-ups, and there are plenty of no-show. The reasons can be multiple: difficulty of communication (English/Thai); the boy is not interested in meeting, just playing around; something better or more important comes along; general sensory overload; general space-time confusion; empty battery or running out of credit; poor work ethic, and many more. But still, the money saved compared to bars makes it very worthwhile for me to pursue this way to meet boys.