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[reader]

THIRD INSTALLMENT

 

The Shows

 

Screw Boys -- A compact place with good views of the stage and reasonable prices (300 entrance fee with one drink included). Music level is Ok but lighting is a bit too dark for my aging eyes. But I can distill much data from a silhouette. Many easy-on-the-eye boys that twink fans and others will appreciate. Good representation of Vietnam guys.  Armed with a photo from a friend on my phone, I give waiter my order and pull up the pic. When he returns, he spots the phone and cuts to the chase: "you want him?" I nod my head and 15 seconds later "Tam" is sitting beside me. A slip a 100 note to the waiter and things proceed rapidly and we're soon walking down Surawong to hotel. He's friendly and has a tight, compact body that I like. He messages our mutual friend that he is happy and grateful for introduction.

 

Moonlight -- First visit but I'm ready to give this place top billing. It's a Thursday night and I pay 350 entrance fee and given receipt for one drink (second drink is 200). There are no bad seats that I can see. I choose a stool on second row back. Other patrons have opted for rows behind men (including a scattering of Asian women) or the front row below me. Waiter takes me slip and brings me a Singha. Show is just getting underway and the staging and lighting is very professional. The sound is of the quality and volume that reverberates through my body so at least I know everything's still working.

 

Everything about the production, from quality of guys to choreography, sends signal that this is meant to please the eyes as well as entertain. Music is selected to have wide appeal and all lyrics are in English. It appealed to me who came of age in the 60's. The stage is always well lit and the guys, who I previously only know from pics and videos, look better in the flesh.

 

When the five models of the evening are introduced (all in briefs), one immediately gets my attention. A strong swimmer's body, perfectly proportioned with long torso. He wearing a red headband and, naturally, a dazzling smile. They eventually go off stage and show proceeds with interesting scenes.  But I no longer believe the uniform size cocks are real or even intended to fool anyone. It's show business. When I saw a a pair of performers at Fresh Boys strike them against a pole and get a pinging sound in return, any unresolved questions were set aside.

 

At some point I glance to my right and the object of my desire (the model just described), is casually leaning against wall, looking my way. I invite him to sit beside me and waiter asks me if I will by boy a drink. Of course I do and gladly pay the 400 tab presented. He tells me he's from Phuket and places a hand on my leg. I get immediately weak at the knees. I run a hand over shoulders and down the most amazing back that I've ever had pleasure to explore. When I tell him he's the best guy in show, he asks waiter to translate. Big smile and wai when he hears the words.

 

We exchange usual stuff (where you from, how long you stay) while he maintains should contact. After about 20 minutes, he has to get back to work, I slip him 300 for his time. I get up as he does and he grabs my hand leads me away from seats, thanks me, puts his hands on my sides and then gives me another wai as he leaves.  I find the waiter and give him a red note and exit. It was like flying too close to the sun. Never entered club figuring I would get to meet one of the star attractions. Somehow I managed to stumble back to hotel. When I got to room I had a bag from Family Mart in my hand and don't even remember stopping there. 

 

This guy can be seen at about the 3:45 mark of this video, entering stage wearing leather vest.
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=ki61caIuzmw

 

If you see only one show in Bangkok, this is the one. Numazu's posts about this place are right on the money.

 

The massage scene

 

Nakarat -- You've heard me and Vinapu talk about this place and it's my go-to shop for selection, convenience and price. Easy to find opposite Sunrise Taco at Silom and Soi 4, you'll find wide selection of guys with black shirts hanging out on Silom around entrance to soi. You pick your guy and he leads you through restaurant to third foor. 450 for 1 hour oil. Posted elsewhere about it in Gay Asia/Vietnam forum.

 

Adam -- Also on Soi 4, this is a very well-run operation by a proprietor known for taking very good care of his charges. Hence, many have been with him for long time. If you want a good-looking veteran who is eager to accommodate your wishes, "Kume" (way it sounds to me) is a good pick. If you're looking for a younger guy who is the classic Isan specimen, you can't go wrong with "Chok". He particularly enjoys being massaged and, by now, you guys know this rates big with me and leads to repeat business. But all the guys here are nice but, as in any shop, you want to discuss your expectations before hand. You get a cup of warm tea and bottle of cold water after. 500 for 1 hour oil.

 

Ganymede -- Posted update in separate "Ganymede Spa" topic in this forum.

 

Other Stuff

 

Telephone Bar  -- Same great wait staff but new and disappointing menu. Whereas the old one had many color photos of dishes (that made ordering easier and quicker), this has none. One of my favorite items, the club sandwich, has disappeared from menu as have others. And the burger price seems to have jumped 40 bht. Thankfully, the drink specials remain the same as does the people watching opportunity.

 

Golden Cock -- Stopped by for a quick session one afternoon. Brought drink for mamasan and guy who I recalled from visit last year. He produced Isan quality tool that quickly became rigid. But I was on a mission elsewhere so tipped guy, paid tab and moved on. But it's comforting to know this place continues to exist in original format. As I was settling bill, a guy came downstairs and said he was Lao. Hmmm...didn't I read something about a new guy from Laos somewhere recently?

[Jasper]

 

 

After about 20 minutes, he has to get back to work, I slip him 300 for his time. I get up as he does and he grabs my hand leads me away from seats, thanks me, puts his hands on my sides and then gives me another wai as he leaves. I find the waiter and give him a red note and exit. It was like flying too close to the sun. Never entered club figuring I would get to meet one of the star attractions.

 

This guy can be seen at about the 3:45 mark of this video, entering stage wearing leather vest.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=ki61caIuzmw

 

 

Have you asked him if he could be offed and how much is his rate.

[reader]

Addendum to third installment

 

Forgot to mention a first in my experience of massage shops. Adam massage places small cloth bags in each room which guy points out to you to store your valuables in. You're encouraged to take the bag into shower where hooks are provided.

 

Random observation -- Brick and mortar retail is thriving here. Visited Central World and Big C and they were both mobbed. Think "Black Friday" in post-Thanksgiving USA, 24/7/365.

 

Dean and Deluca is about to open its largest Bkk location. As you enter Central World from walkway under BTS it will be on you right.

 

Currency exchange -- got the best rate of trip today at SuperRich main location on Silom next to Arena. 33.25 to the USD. SuperRich Silom complex location buying dollars ar 33.12 same time.

 

Shenanigans, which may or may not have been the Irish bar replaced by Hooters on Silom, has now opened in a large space on Surawong between Patpong 1 and Patpong 2. Doing great business on World Cup nights.

[reader]

Have you asked him if he could be offed and how much is his rate.

Although I didn't ask, his behavior said yes., for a price.

 

Only had about 2500 left on me (hadn't come hear seriously considering an off) so I was way short of third base already as the off fee for models (as I was just reminded by an erstwhile member) is 1500.

 

Had I been better financed, have to admit I might have gone for the whole shebang. 1500 off, 5000 tip, place in will, keys to car. He was that hot.....and zero attitude.

[Jasper]

The only Moonlight boy that interests me is this guy and wondering if any forum members offed him.

 

Entrance 350 + boy drink 400 + off fee 1500 + tip 5000?

7250 Baht (over $200 )is too much for a trial run.

 

 

 

Photo - thanks to Numazu

[reader]

The only Moonlight boy that interests me is this guy and wondering if any forum members offed him.

 

There are many guys in the show other than the "models."

 

As PaulSF advised in another post, go see the shows yourself. Your experience will be unique.

 

Reviews of others may be helpful but cannot substitute for first-hand visit.

 

Enjoy!

[spoon]

So boys drink for models has gone down from 600 to 400? Good news then. Now if only tam former jupiter star would come back to the stage lol

[vinapu]

Had I been better financed, have to admit I might have gone for the whole shebang. 1500 off, 5000 tip, place in will, keys to car. He was that hot.....and zero attitude.

there's always tomorrow, forget keys and will , try to see if he will go for 4000 or may be 3500. That body and zero attitude I'd consider it, LOL

[vinapu]

The only Moonlight boy that interests me is this guy and wondering if any forum members offed him.

 

Entrance 350 + boy drink 400 + off fee 1500 + tip 5000?

7250 Baht (over $200 )is too much for a trial run.

 

 

in meantime watch him , pre-tattoo,  here:

 

[Jasper]

Vinapu, you have a keen eye. I have seen his several videos but I didn’t notice his new tattoos on the magazine photo.

[Boy69]

He is totally straight guy and not much attractive .I wouldn't off him even for free .

[vinapu]

Vinapu, you have a keen eye. I have seen his several videos but I didn’t notice his new tattoos on the magazine photo.

you not only one here who likes handsome boys 

 

 

He is totally straight guy and not much attractive .I wouldn't off him even for free .

good , one less farang to compete for his business, Jasper we are moving to front of the line !

 

on more serious note  - did you off him that you have a reason to dismiss Jasper question in such manner ?

 

what motivates you  / and others / to make such comments I wonder ? Sounds like fart in the middle of the party.

 

Nothing wrong with straight guys - as long as they have their looks. Our fathers were straight too.

[Boy69]

Nothing wrong with straight guys,just as a gay man it's seems strange to me to off straight boy that's totally isn't into it and doing it exclusively for money .It's a total no no situation for me.

I did it before with straight boys when I was much younger that do it for curiosity but not for money and sometime it was very nice .Nowdays I make sure the boy is gay before offing him.

[paulsf]

And you don’t think that the gay boys aren’t having sex with you strictly for the money? If straight boys don’t work for you, that’s fine.

But there are lots of us that go with straight boys and have a great time.

[fedssocr]

I suppose it depends what you're looking for. For me, I'm just looking for a good (short) time. Straight, gay, whatever. Does he have a handsome face? Does he have a nice body? Does his penis work? Is he friendly? That's pretty much all that matters to me.

[vinapu]

I like to think about myself as one going exclusively with straight or at least straight acting boys .

 

Many a times when we are sitting in the room, still dressed,  talking and drinking Hong Thong or whatever,  I  take his hand and notice his jeans bulging quite fast I can't stop wondering how straight really they are. Several members of this  board can certify I'm not Adonis at all.

 

Like fedssocr noticed above , we are not looking for labels , it's boys we want. No need to dismiss other's choices, there are always takers for boys we don't fancy, free or paid.

[a447a]

Ah, the eternal question - how do the straight boys do it?

 

As a gay man there is no way I could possibly have sex with an old woman, no matter matter how much I was paid. Getting it up would be impossible, even if I watched gay porn.

 

I put it down to the fact that the guys are just so horny, they will do anything in order to get off.

 

This is certainly the case with my guy in Bangkok - his hornyness knows no bounds. He has the hardest cock I have ever seen. It's literally like an iron bar and it stays hard not only during sex, but for a long time after he has cum.

 

But it is his love of fucking that also explains his ability to perform. He can go on forever, but I can't. When I eventually tell him I've had enough he begs me to hang in there.

 

"Can do more? Please! Just some more!"

 

I always give in to him as he having such a good time I don't have the heart to refuse.

 

My Pattaya guy is also 100% straight. And I'm sure I don't turn him on either, yet he gets hard at the drop of a hat.

 

Often we both lie on the bed in our underwear, me on the ipad and he playing a game on his phone. I'll put my hand down his briefs and there is an immediate stirring. He's hard in seconds.

 

So like my other encounters with the guys - all straight - it's about them, not me. They just enjoy the sex.

 

I can't get enough of my Pattaya boy's cock. It is truly magnificent. When I start to "samoke" him he grabs a pillow, closes his eyes and just enjoys the experience. The expression on his face is priceless. No doubt he's imagining it's a hot young girl working on him, not some old farang.

 

However, I think the situation would be very different if he were gay. It would be very difficult for him to enjoy the sex, as young gay guys only want to have sex with young, handsome guys like themselves. The straight guys don't really care what we look like but for the gay boys that is an extra hurdle for them.

 

That's my take on the situation.

[Londoner]

Do you think he'd enjoy a couple of hours in Babylon? with other Thais of his age perhaps? or with falangs?  Why not ask him?

 

On the other hand, I've met young, cute Thai guys there who actually wanted sex with me....to my amazement. There are certainly some-even if they are a minority- who prefer sex with older falangs. It's even happened to me in London saunas. Very, very occasionally, sad to say. But these guys do exist, not just Thai but Asians from a number of countries.

[reader]

This is an area of human sexuality that defies conventional description. As an adolescent, I had mutually enjoyable sex with many of my male peers. Very few went on to become "gay". The term didn't even exist. But there was one who I'd still get together with on spur of moment well into his 20's.

 

That, I'm sure, anchored my attraction to predominantly straight men. They represent a key formative phase in my life and never really looked back. I've had a few exclusively gay relationships but they were short-lived. I'm with with my regular guy as I write and I'm very much aware that it's his mannerisms, the way he expresses himself and his self confidence that are big factors in my attraction to him.

 

We don't edit what we say and neither is trying to gain the upper hand, a problem I see in some gay relationships. There's a high comfort level between us.

 

It's not that I don't identify as gay. But I get the greater satisfaction with otherwise straight men. This doesn't keep me from enjoying sex with other gays but my preference lies elsewhere.

 

I don't have to be number one in his life. Just being a part of it suffices for me. I admire and wish nothing but the best to LT gay couples. They'll be there for each other fof many years and I envy them that commitment. I just ask that others try to appreciate my situation.

[fedssocr]

with respect to the inter-generational aspect of things...I know many young gay guys here in the US who like much older men. Maybe not grandfather-aged, but certainly daddy-aged. Most of them have partners twice their ages, several are married to their much older partners. 

 

But I do agree that it is still outside the norm. However, not rare by any means.

[Boy69]

The perception of gay/straight in Thailand is very flexible,it's not black or white.

It's very rare to find 100 precent gay or straight Thai there is no formal religious restrictions as exist in the western culture ,it's not a big deal for 'straight' Thai boy to fuck boys occasionally and it's not rare 'gay' Thai that is married to a girl.it's a different culture.

a447a is right young gay guys do prefer to have sex with young, handsome guys like themselves and usually the young 'stars' gay boys turned to be lousy at bed when you actually off them,

But for my surprise too there are some young gay attractive boys that do prefer olders falangs when they look after more serious relationship ,it's happened to more than one time.

[vinapu]

But for my surprise too there are some young gay attractive boys that do prefer olders falangs when they look after more serious relationship ....

I don't think it's surprising if we are talking long term, chances are that older farangs have more money or at least more money to spent than younger ones,  often burdened with mortgages , student loans and urge  to have latte in every Starbucks  they pass 

[Londoner]

That's true....and the older they are, the sooner they'll reap the rewards of the partner's Will.

Nevertheless, this does not pertain to what we experience in saunas; that's fun and fun alone. 

There are a number of mbs I've met over the years, by the way, who insist that they've never had sex with a Thai but identify (and perform) as gay.

[Boy69]

There are few cases of serious relationships between younger Thai boys with older falangs but I must admit that it's very rare most of them will stay as long as the money is flowing.

[reader]

There are few cases of serious relationships between younger Thai boys with older falangs....

Could you share the source of your socio-economic statistical findings?