Bangkok Trip Report 2018: I Get Really Greedy Edition

[numazu]

This is my 16th trip to LOS and a short one after being away for almost 4 months. I actually had my 15th trip a few months ago and thought about writing a trip report but here we are on my 16th.

 

My previous trip report:

 

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/11100-bangkok-trip-report-to-butterfly-or-not-to-butterfly-part-2-%E2%80%93-the-devil-and-the-angel/

 

My current trip report, on the site BoyToy, about Brazil:

 

https://www.boytoy.com/forums/topic/30539-a-newbies-2nd-time-in-brazil-sao-paulo-and-porto-alegre/

 

Also, it is no secret that I have been distracted with Latin America as of late. Since I live in California, the time difference and length of flights are a major plus for Latin America, and a big fat minus for Bangkok. Why would I want to sit in a silver tube for almost 20 hours only to have 2 days pass me by, when I can take a red eye to Colombia and be there in time for afternoon cerveza? Or in case of Mexico, leave after work and be there in time for media noche drinks? Coupled with how much cheaper and looser the boys are in that part of the world made me realize that I should probably spend more time there.

 

Still, Bangkok is still always in the back of my mind. I have had so much fun there, and the city has given me so much in the last few years, so when the opportunity to work in Asia presented itself again, I just had to plan a Bangkok side trip around it. I only have 4 nights of Bangkok time this trip, and I planned a lot of non-sex tourist stuff as well, since I have not been to Bangkok as often as I want to this year. These other things I wanted to do can be done in the day time, and luckily the bars and sex often happen at night, so I at least have that

 

Background: I’m 37, Asian American, and have a 10 -year relationship with a great guy (white, 35). Why do I go to Thailand? Well, I’m a horny bastard, and believe or not between my bf (sex life still there but has declined), occasional Grindr and Scruff hookups, and the random trick, I need more. I am intoxicated by the sex industry in Thailand, and fascinated by their lives and try to make friends with the money boys and locals (copied and pasted from previous trip reports).

 

My Goals for this trip:

 

1. Check the new landscape of the bar scene in Bangkok

 

Times, they are a’changing. News about the eventual demise of Soi Twilight have been discussed here in the boards ad nauseum. I scheduled the previous last February because rumors back then were they would close Soi Twilight after Songkran. And yet here we are, balls-deep in June, and Soi Twilight is still alive and well. It is still on the chopping block of course, but I am glad that I get to see the place this trip before it completely goes away.

 

I was curious as to how all these bars in this famous street would reinvent itself and how they will slowly phase out from the Soi. A lot of people are mourning the fact that one-stop-boy-shopping in Bangkok will be a thing of the past, and instead the bars will be scattered to the wind across the landscape of Silom and beyond. While I was less attached to this concentrated bar concept than others, I recognize that Soi Twilight was, and still is, an institution, and will remain so until the last lady boy has twirled his last twirl on that legendary street. 

 

2. Get pampered the fuck out in Bangkok

 

Contrary to what you probably read from my past trip reports, I do a lot of other things in Bangkok other than boys and the pursuit of getting them.  I know, blasphemy, right? I plan on shopping for clothes, going to bespoke tailors to get some customized suits, the dermatologist to refresh my face, eat some of my mainstay favorites like tom yum, soft shell crab and pad thai, get an HIV test and maybe get some cheap PrEP from Pulse Bangkok, among a litany of other things. I don’t have a lot of time to do all this, but I will definitely try. This is one of the many advantages of going to Thailand, the services, shopping, and food are top-notch. I will keep coming back here long after Soi Twilight is gone.

 

3. Give the Bangkok Boys another try

 

Let’s face it, the number one reason I haven’t been going back to Bangkok is because I have found that Latin boys are better in sex than anyone else in the world, including the legendary boys of Bangkok. I’ve had numerous inquiries from fellow sex-tourist friends asking me which country has the best sex? My answer is always it depends, but it usually shifts between Brazil and Colombia. Mexico is a close third, and bunch of other Latin American countries behind it. Bangkok? Surely in the mix, but I find that the bodies, the cocks, the asses, are usually bigger and better; the kisses, the body contact, are usually deeper and more soul-penetrating; and the charisma, the charm, and the zest for life is bigger, grander, and more vibrant in that part of the world.

 

BUT, Bangkok has its charms, and its sex-tourist infrastructure is second to none in the world, and the boys are still the best thing about it, so I am going to always give it a chance, whenever I am in the area. Since it is a short trip, I am willing to take more risks to find what I want. Latin America has changed me, so lets see how Bangkok fares this time around with my newfound confidence.

 

So here we are. Let’s do this.

 

 

Continue or no?

[reader]

Proceed with abandon--which I'm very confident you did.

[ggobkk]

continue...

[spoon]

Of course continue lol welcome back numazu!

[fjeffmy]

you make us wait so long to hear from you again.Welcome back

[Guest]

Might I also suggest that your trip reports to any country are very welcome and in the Main Forum whenever or where ever you have the time to post even if short stories!

[Boy69]

Welcome back Namzu ! I agree with you Brazilian and Colombian boys are the most sexy in the world.

[vinapu]

This is my 16th trip to LOS and a short one after being away for almost 4 months.......

 

.....Continue or no?

yes and sooner the better please and thank you for that heart warming photo of soii Twilight entry

[Guest vincent82]

Yes pls. Would love to hear about your experiences.

[abidismaili]

Continue.

[Guest Ville1825]

Waiting to hear more!

[numazu]

Day 0.5: Starting off my trip right

 

I am very fortunate to have a job that allows me to travel a lot. Sometimes I travel for work as well, and I try to schedule side trips whenever I can around work. This Bangkok trip is like the latter. I am heading off to work in a country near Thailand that does not have near the quality of the sex tourism infrastructure that Thailand has, although there is an abundance of free boys there. I am not worried about not having sex in the country I am going to work at. But I did want to carve some time away from work to take advantage of the superior nightlife Bangkok had to offer.

 

As I mentioned in the previous post, I was in Bangkok last February. It was during Chinese New Year, and it was a weird trip. Somehow the gogo boys were not clicking for me. For example I went to the legendary Tawan with a Grindr hookup and he mentioned (and I agreed) how depressing the atmosphere was and it was all “old man gogo.” Maybe it was because it was a holiday weekend so not a lot of gogos were in the city that weekend. Three things were good though: (1) paulsf was in town so I got to hang out with him, and also met Michael and Divinemadman for the first time (nice to meet you guys!), (2) the lack of quality gogos was compensated by the presence of Chinese tourists who were visiting over the holiday, so this was the only Bangkok trip in a while where I slept with more Grindr hookups than gogo boys and (3) got to off a nice handsome young muscle boy in Tawan who while in the bar said he doesn’t bottom, but back in my condo happily took all of me.

 

This trip I am prepared to just go all gogo boys, and no Grindr hookups (maybe). The money I saved from last trip, I will get to add to the budget this time, so I have even more freedom to get boys without thinking about breaking the bank. Also this trip, I didn’t want to waste time scouting for an AirBNB apartment, so I just booked myself four nights at the Crowne Plaza Lumpini Park. A little bit pricey but it’s been a good year. Normally I’d stay the first night there and then go on to a cheaper and homelier AirBNB in Silom Soi 3.  The Bangkok Crowne Plaza’s ability to check me in earlier than usual, even as early as 8 AM one time, is always its shining quality for me. Nothing like getting in early in the day and sleeping off the jetlag, to wake up late afternoon all fresh and ready to go hit the bars.

 

With this trip I haven’t really thought about travel companions or anything like that. I have not been as prepared for this as previous trips. But someone else has been more prepared for it than I am. Throughout my Bangkok trips I have collected a few Line chat buddies from boys I’ve met. They usually are hot and heavy right after the trip, as they chat me up furiously on Line, constantly asking me when my next trip would be. The messages die down after a while, maybe because I haven’t sent them any money or I haven’t replied soon enough to their liking, or in this case, I have not been back to Thailand in a while.

 

But there is one boy that has been a constant contact. Remember him?

 

I see him sitting on one of the lobby couches. He stands up as soon as he sees me. He looks nice tonight in a grey button-down and super slim jeans. We go back to the unit and sit down. I immediately partake of the boy by kissing him deeply. After a few minutes of this I open the buttons of his shirt. The sight of his bare torso inspired me to take this photo:

 

 

You can’t see the face, but his expression was very seductive and inviting. This kid photographs very well. I take some more before continuing my ShanBoy appreciation.

 

 

He was a gogo boy in X-size. I have not seen him since December 2016.  That’s a long time for a boy to still keep in contact with me.  He is not much of a talker on Line, but he occasionally sends me hi, hello, how are you messages on Line probably once a month, like here, March and April.  There trickle messaging keeps him alive in my head:

 

 

 

 

So at the end of last month he messages me, but I added that I was gonna be there in June:

 

 

I guess persistence really pays off.

 

I don’t know what possessed me to ask him if he could meet me at the airport, but I did anyway:

 

 

I guess I was so used to having BurBoy (remember him?) usually meet me at the airport, so it was fairly reflexive for me to ask ShanBoy if he could do this for me as well. He has been to the airport with me before, to say goodbye (remember that?) so his yes at least was not a surprise. He asks me where I was staying:

 

 

 

Of course I ask him for updates photos of him. He sends some photos of him shirtless, and I remembered why I was attracted to him in the first place. Nice golden brown skin, amazing abs definition, muscular arms and legs. He is what I would call a “Super Twink,” or a twink who lifts weights. He is like a twink, slight in build, but with much better muscle definition. He is also taller than I am, so really, he is the definition of Super Twink.

 

Fast forward to the day of my flight. It was primarily a work trip, and I had two giant suitcases with me filled with work items. Since BKK was not my work destination, I would be lugging around these two suitcases from the airport and back.  So I guess having someone meet me at the airport to help me carry these around would be prudent.

 

ShanBoy confirms that he is going to meet me at the airport, like a good worker that he is. I reply on my layover in HK:

 

 

 

GayThailand is littered with stories about Gogo Boys being late all the time. ShanBoy, however, continues to be an anomaly.  He was actually early to get to the airport, and gave me status updates of where he is:

 

 

This kid is a real professional. He even gives me an idea of where he is:

 

 

After the usual line in immigration and wait in baggage claim, it was 11:23 AM when I get to the arrivals hall. I ask him where he was:

 

 

We meet at Door 6. He sees me first, as I see him already smiling when I find him in the crowd. He gives me a curt hug, and then immediately takes my luggage trolley and navigates it through the crowd. It kind of felt like having a butler fetch you at the airport:

 

 

He asks if we were going to take the Airport Link train or the Taxi.  I say Taxi, since the suitcases were kind of unwieldy to wrestle in a train car and elevators. He deftly guides us to the taxi level, and helps the driver load up my giant bags in the taxi. I just stood there, like the tourist that I am, as my workers helped me.

 

Through the years of visiting BKK, I am fairly adept with telling Thai drivers where my destination is, but for some reason I was sort of relieved that ShanBoy did all the talking for me. He even remembered where my hotel was, just from our conversation weeks earlier, and didn’t have to ask me where I was staying to tell the taxi driver. Maybe he really is my butler.

 

So with that, I kick-off my Bangkok adventure with my gogo boy-butler.

 

Next, reacquainting myself with ShanBoy.

[vinapu]

thank you for finding time to write here,  another proof you are great story teller. We can only imagine how that reacquainting with Shan Boy worked out, LOL

[Guest]

Amazing and insightful report.

 

Thanks

[numazu]

Day 1: Fresh ShanBoy

 

While on the traffic-laden, 50-minute taxi ride from Suvarnabhumi to Silom, I had a chance to let my hardon go down and quietly plan the next 5 days. Even with the sight of a hot boy sitting next to me willing to do anything that I want him to do, I still had to be efficient. Lots of things to accomplish for sure, and I had to shoehorn seeing as many boys as I could in between non-sex endeavors. The first thing I needed to do is to go to see my usual tailor in Bangkok, who happens to also be in Silom. I have a more preferred tailor in the country, but he is based in Pattaya, and unfortunately I have not been back to “sodom by the sea” since July 2016. I have to remedy this at some point and high tail is Pattaya one of these trips, but not this week.

 

Curiously ShanBoy automatically pays for the two road tolls we encounter on the ride. Again, does things without being asked. Like a true butler. I forgot that tolls were a thing in Bangkok. I tell him I will pay him later. He smiles and says “OK.”

 

We get to Crowne Plaza and upon the sight of the big bags we had, the bellboys immediately swarm the taxi and help ShanBoy with the bags. “Welcome back Mr. Numazu,” the familiar bellboy whispers at me. I am impressed that they still know my name. The bellboy takes the bags away as ShanBoy and I make our way to the elevators. “Good afternoon Mr. Numazu, and nice to see you again!” says the familiar concierge person. He has been here all these years and has helped me with numerous things, and has seen me with numerous boys. It’s like coming back home.

 

Up at the 23^rd floor I ask ShanBoy to sit tight at one of the couches while I check in. “We have been expecting you Mr. Numazu,” says my usual reception person. I remember her checking me in the past 3 years. This place is really consistent and has not had a lot of turn over of personnel, which is a positive sign. She gives me the usual upgrades and lounge access. Before I leave for my room I expected to be given their usual souvenir giveaway to guests, a small plush elephant. I have so many of these already. “What color you like? What you not have?” I choose a purple one. I’m pretty sure I have 2 of the purple already but I felt like purple today.

 

Once we got to the always lovely and spacious Crowne Plaza deluxe room, a wave of fatigue suddenly hit me. Jet lag is setting in. No matter how much sleep I get on the flight before, I eventually succumb to it on the first day. ShanBoy, sensing my weariness, asked me if I wanted us both to sleep. “Sure, but sex first,” I answer jokingly. “OK, but we wait for bags ok,” he answers in all seriousness. 5 minutes later my usual bellboy shows up with my two heavy bags. “Give 50 baht ok?” I tell him to tip the bellboy. Without hesitation he gets his wallet and pays the guy 50. We get a wai and he leaves.

 

ShanBoy proceeds to strip all his clothes except for his underwear. He then takes my hand and leads me to the bathroom. He helps me out of my clothes. He turns on the shower and adjusts the water temperature to my liking. He knows the usual Farang setting for the shower. We shower together and he takes the lead in scrubbing me down from head to toe, complete with a nice back rub. He tells me I am finished and I should dry up. I leave the shower. He completes soaping himself up, including some concentration on his ass. I finish drying up. I go to the bedroom and get under the covers.

 

After a few minutes he emerges with a towel around his waist. He draws the curtains in to block all sunlight. He turns off most of the lights. He takes his little bag and puts it near the bed. He strips off his towel and then gets in the bed beside me and starts kissing me. He remembered I love kissing. He gives my nipples a bath and proceeds to take my already hard cock in his mouth. I begin to sit up and ShanBoy stops me. “No, you tired.” I laugh and then lay back down. He goes to town on my cock for a while and then reached for his bag. He gets a condom and sheathes my cock with it. He takes a lube packet and applies the contents to me and him. Without hesitation he sits on me, and thrusts up and down while he strokes, till I cum. With a few strokes more he cums on my chest as well. He kisses my cheek and says to me “Wait!” He gets a little towel from the bathroom and cleans me up.

 

He asks what time I want to wake up. I randomly say “5 PM,” and he sets his cellphone alarm to that time. He then lies beside me and cuddles. “Good night!” he says, and sleeps.

 

That, my friends, is the Bangkok Boy Jet Lag Special. And ShanBoy is an expert in giving these out. I will concede that only in Thailand will you ever get this perfect combination of high level of hospitality and care, with precision sexuality and fun. This is why I keep coming back.

 

Fast forward to 5 PM. I feel ShanBoy stir beside me. “You want wake up?” he asks. “Yes,” I say reluctantly. He opens the curtains to let some light in, to peek through to the city view, and to wake me up with sunlight. I sit up. We slept for 4 hours. I felt I could go for more. But I can’t. I have some shit to do.

 

We put on clothes and head to Surawong Rd. My tailor was a 10 minute walk from the hotel. Excelsior Tailors was inside the Siam Heritage Hotel, just past Oasis restaurant, vinapu’s favorite. I go inside the shop. ShanBoy dutifully waits outside. I have had a ton of clothes made by these guys and have come to trust them. They takes my measurements. They ask me how long I am in town for. I get 2 suits, a jacket, and 5 shirts made. No down payment, just come back tomorrow at 5 PM for a first fitting. I was in and out in 10 minutes.

 

On the way back to the hotel, ShanBoy gives me an update on the bar scene. He tells me he now works at Fresh Boys, and the old location is still active. But there was also a new location (Fresh Boy 2) at Patpong near Screwboys, and points it out to me when we pass by. He shows me where the new X-size was, which was now called G-boy. He does not work there anymore but still has friends there:

 

 

 

I ask ShanBoy if he was hungry and he says “Yes and no.” “Me too,” I tell him. We get back to the Crowne Plaza and just decide on eating free at the lounge. They had a lot of little food plates that satisfied us. While eating, ShanBoy asks me what I want to do tonight. “I want to off two boy, you ok?” I tell him, again half-jokingly. He laughs and pretends to be shocked. “Why two boy?” I tell him I was only here a short time so I have to off many boys in one day. My max was three. ShanBoy was the first. I need two more. I was really just joking but saying it out loud made sense.

 

“What bar?” he asks. “No sure,” I answer. He sends me something in a Line message:

 

 

 

“Maybe you want come Fresh Boy, have party tonight. 9 PM,” he says. I look at the flyer. Maybe this was some promotional material they ask the boys to distribute to their client base. “OK,” I told him. “I go FreshBoy and after I go Moonlight.” I really wanted to go to Moonlight Club. It had tremendous buzz, and the live shows they stream on Facebook were just pretty remarkable. I was in Costa Rica a few weeks ago and showed this live stream to my tico friends there. After seeing one sexy show they all wanted to go to Bangkok. It was very effective advertising. It got me curious at least.

 

After eating we wait at the hotel room before it was time to go to FreshBoy. I show ShanBoy photos of him that I took in December 2016. He stared at them and laughed. “You think better now or before?” he asks. “Better now yes,” I answer. Indeed, he was better now. He was a little bit more muscular, the abs a little more defined, his style little bit more put together, and his hair was trendier. He asks me to forward him some if the old photos.

 

Pretty soon we were walking to FreshBoy. The air was heavy and humid, but the familiar electric feeling one gets when one is on his way to a Bangkok boy bar comes back to me. It was the ultimate cure for jet lag, the promise of seeing hot boys prance around naked in their underwear. We get to Soi Twilight and the customers were just about to assemble, and the familiar players were there as well. I swatted away the aggressive touts from the various bars on the way to FreshBoy. ShanBoy ushers me inside and we get seated at first corner away from the door.

 

I get my usual drink, ShanBoy gets the same. A mamasan who looked familiar comes my way. “I know you,” she says. “You go to X-size.” Yes, I said, one time, and I got ShanBoy. “Nice to see you again.” I decide to buy her a drink because, well, I can, and because she helped me get ShanBoy before. She hung around because of that. “Help me get boy,” I tell her and ShanBoy. They both laugh. “Many boy na,” she says. I look at the stage and see about 15 boys there all in very tight white underwear, with varying degrees of cuteness. I would say that I saw myself offing only 3 out of 15 there. There were a lot of boys also scattered about the premises.

 

So mamasan and ShanBoy proceed to give me the 411 on the boys. ShanBoy explains to mamasan what I wanted (bottom, young, with abs, good kissers, etc). I ask what countries were represented here. They tell me mostly Cambodian, Thai and some Lao, and they had a Viet waiter. I tell them I wanted some Lao. They pointed them to me but I did not like them. ShanBoy points me to some Cambodians he thought I’d like. There was one boy I liked. I ask him if the boy I liked did “everything.” ShanBoy nods. He kiss also, he says. After a few minutes I tell mamasan to call the boy over. I get him a drink.

 

I assess the boy. Cambodia Boy was cute, maybe 21 to 23. He was taller than I was, and had an impressive torso. Very defined abs, nice toned arms and formed biceps. Those skimpy little white briefs sure fit him really well. We make our introductions. His English was not as good as ShanBoy. ShanBoy-butler had to translate for me sometimes. I feel Cambodia boy's body. Very impressive. Cambodia Boy takes my hand and puts it on his crotch. Wow, pretty hung boy for sure. He kisses my cheek. I was sold.

 

I tell ShanBoy to tell Cambodia Boy the spiel. He told Cambodia Boy that I wanted to off him but after 12 midnight. I wanted to go to Moonlight after this and get a boy for short time. Cambodia boy will be a dessert for after the Moonlight main course. Cambodia Boy agreed to the arrangement. He gives me another kiss in the cheek, and then leaves to put some clothes on.

 

It was 10 PM, and the show that was supposedly starting at 9 PM has not started yet. Maybe because the bar was still half empty. It didn’t matter. I tell ShanBoy I will be leaving. I will be going to Moonlight alone. I will be back for him in 2 hours. He tells me that the “show here same same everyday. If you see show one time, you ok.” I guess I will not be missing anything. I pay up, four drinks and two off fees. It wasn’t cheap but who cares. I give mamasan a 100 baht tip. “I come back,” I tell her. I squeeze ShanBoy’s bicep and then I leave.

 

Up next, the very impressive Moonlight, and the boy I get.

[vinapu]

great report as always and ending with your trademark suspension  but I have a question: what the hell you need all those plush elephants from Crowne Plaza for ? Don't you care for environment?

[reader]

I have elephant from Crowne Plaza and a turtle from old Conrad Hilton or whatever they call it now. But I don't, alas, have ShanBoy.

 

Namazu, will make you tender offer: one vintage elephant and one very old turtle for your one experienced ShanBoy.

 

Offer will remain in effect until until you relent or I learn to talk and write Thai--whichever comes first.

[ggobkk]

Thanks for the report...it’s the filigree of the details that make your trip spinning a cut above most others (e.g. mine).

 

I think you are the first to mention that X-Boys is now G-boy. Looks to be close to Moonlight.

 

Oh, agree with you on Excelsior Tailors, they’ve been my Bangkok shop stop for longer than I want to remember.

[BL8gPt]

Thanks.

[vinapu]

 

I think you are the first to mention that X-Boys is now G-boy. Looks to be close to Moonlight.

 

 

G-Boy is in Wall Street soi, small soi to the right of Greek Temple type building if you are looking at it from the same side of Suriwong soi Twilight is , whole 150 m from Moonlight, Ok make is 200 m

[numazu]

BONUS TOPIC: The Monger Index

 

I'm interrupting my posting this weekend because I am on travel.  When am I not on travel? I used to write these trip reports in between trips and at layovers. Now this are a little bit difficult. I will continue next week.

 

But to tide you over, I am cross-posting something I wrote in BoyToy during the end of my Brazil Trip Report. It is a metric I came up with called the Monger Index, or a way to compare the cost of hiring in different countries versus the boys you get back home. It’s a metric me and a buddy of mine came up with while super drunk at the Crowne Plaza Bangkok at 3 AM in the morning years ago. He asked me why I get all these prostitutes overseas. With the airfare and hotel rooms, that cost adds up. Wouldn’t it be just cheaper to hire prostitutes back home?

 

I told him he was crazy because (a) the prostitutes are expensive back home and (b) sex is more fun when on vacation anyway. But I disputed his thesis that it is cheaper to hire prostitutes back home. So I came up with an index that measures how much cheaper it is to get hot guys overseas than in the USA, accounting got airfare and lodging costs. This is the Monger index.

 

I apologize for the math. I am Asian after all.

 

Some assumptions:

 

(1)    Time Range: The index would not work in measuring one-offs. Of course ONE prostitute would be cheaper in the USA than ONE prostitute in Bangkok. A $250 an hour prostitute you hire for one hour to take home to your USA house is cheaper than a $50 gogo boy you get in a nice gogo bar if you add the $600 roundtrip airfare one needs to get to the sauna, plus the hotel cost.

It will only work if you hire by bulk, and have a longer time range. My assumption for this index example is one week, or 7 days. For example, if you get one guy every day in a week in the USA, that adds up to 7*$250 = $1750. Now we are talking bigger dollars. Have sex in bulk when overseas helps you recoup your cost.

 

(2)    Airfare: The index should include the airfare. For my purposes here, I use airfare coming from California, because that's where I live. So for example, a typical off-season RT air ticket to Sao Paulo, Brazil is $1000. For Bangkok, it’s $550. This is a fixed cost in the index.

 

(3)    Hotel: Of course you have to assume you are getting a hotel in the city you are mongering in. I assume my hotels will be typical AirBNB’s, with basic amenities in a decent and nearby neighborhood. Translation: not a dump but not fancy, and Uberable or walkable to the sauna and tourist-friendly services. For Sao Paulo I assume of the cost, the AirBNB me and the BF got in Bela Vista last December. It was a decent $50 a night. For 7 nights that adds up to $350. For Bangkok, a typical decent Silom Soi 3 AirBNB costs $45 a night.

 

(4)    Overnights: I put in the calculation the cost it takes for hiring a guy overnight. For California, a typical overnight with a hot but not “superstar porn star” hot is $1000. For Sao Paulo, Jonas’ example was 200 reals, but I count his initial 200 reals in the sauna as part of the overnight, so 200+200 = 400 reals, or $104. For Bangkok, its a bit tricky, but I assumed a high-end 3000 baht overnight, or $91.  I pay that because of all the sexual acrobatics I require all my boys. It is only fair.

 

So here are the gross calcs. For 7 days, if I hired a boy for one hour and another boy for overnight every day:

 

California Prostitute: Price for one hour times 7 + Price for an overnight times 7 = $250*7 + $1000*7 = $8750

 

Bangkok GoGo Boy: Airfare + 7 nights in AirBNB + Price for a garoto in the sauna times 7 + Price for a garoto overnight times 7 = $550 + $315 + $52*7 + $91*7 = $1866

 

Sao Paulo Garoto (Jonas): Airfare + 7 nights in AirBNB + Price for a garoto in the sauna times 7 + Price for a garoto overnight times 7 = $1000 + $350 + $52*7 + $104*7 = $2442

 

The index is calculated as the ratio of the 7-day cost of USA boys, divided by the total cost in that country.

 

7-day Monger Index for Sao Paulo = $8750/$2442 = 3.58

7-day Monger Index for Bangkok = $8750/$1866 = 4.70

 

Issues:

(1)    I do not count the Uber cost to get to the sauna or gogo bar, or the entrance fee for the sauna, or the cabina price, or the off fee, or the drink costs in a bar.

(2)    I do not account for food costs. Of course you have to eat whether in the USA or Brazil or Thailand. This may be a future improvement to be added.

(3)    The airfare is just from California, maybe it’s more or less where you are. Maybe my assumption of $550 for Bangkok is too much or too little. This is just what I see anecdotally.

 

So, with that, here are my Monger Indices for some 6 cities I’ve been to, ranked by the best to worst:

 

1.       Pattaya, Thailand: 5.54

2.       Bangkok, Thailand: 4.70

3.       Mexico City, Mexico: 4.53

4.       Bogota, Colombia: 3.77

5.       Sao Paulo, Brazil: 3.58

6.       Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: 3.44

 

These are solely based on my experience. Your Monger Index may be different.

 

Some observations:

 

(1)    Thailand remains the most bang for your buck, because of the presence of cheap decent places to stay in and low cost to fly there from California.

(2)    Mexico is helped by the fact that it’s so close to California, therefore the airfare is cheap.

(3)    Brazil on the other hand, is dinged by how expensive the airfares are from California.

(4)    If I factor in food, Thailand may even get a higher index, and Brazil may get a lower index.

(5)    Grindr prices were only used in Bogota and Mexico, because I do not have experiences getting anyone there outside of Grindr. So your mileage may vary.

(6)    Quality of boys is impossible to measure. And it is subjective, so it can’t be put in the index. The index is solely a quantitative metric. For example, twinks may be better in Thailand. Adonises may be better in Brazil. Again, quality is subjective, and can’t be measured meaningfully.

 

Of course, in the end, your mileage may vary, and these indices are only meaningful to me. If you don’t like having sex with Asians, your Monger Index for Thailand is -1000000, for example.

 

Thoughts and improvements to this index is highly appreciated.

[vinapu]

You are genius ! Managed  to have post with all those numbers and figures to be still vivid and entertaining.

 

Enjoy your travels !

[ggobkk]

Monger Index - I love it!

[spoon]

If i were to follow this index, i would never had left my place at all, except for long time (overnight), and definitely for the gogobars experience. Food is cheaper here, hotel roughly the same price, though plane ticket is cheap. Short time in bkk can last 30-2hours or so but over here, we pay by hour, and a full service are around rm210 ( ~1.7k baht, rm 1.23 = 10 baht). Since many boys working here are from outside, with varying quality, that value can range from rm150-400 for 1 hour. Overnight can range from 700 ( 5.7k baht) and up. I can say ive never had overnight here, as i dont really stay at hotel at my place, usually the mb i took is either at the massage centers or have their own hotel room (budget hotel). So, at 3k baht overnight plus off fee, its still cheaper to get overnight in bkk by 2k per night compared to my place. Short time depends on quality and time, if u take 2 hour, then bkk is cheaper, at 1 hour, here is cheaper. Factor in hotel and flight, id say about even for bkk if i only do overnight lol. And of course quality of boys i bkk makes it all worth the while lol.

[Boy69]

I see Thailand first and for most as a holiday destination to relax from my demanding job back home.the food, beaches nice local people and the relax atmosphere is the main reasons I come to this lovely country.Finding local boys for sex is a bonus for me the easygoing attitude of the Thais boys is making the sex with them more relaxed and fun .I am not obsessed to find boys for sex if I find the right boy I will go with him and if not it's OK too some days I do not have sex at all becuse I didn't find what I wanted and sometimes I can be with the same boy for days on long term basis because there is a good chemistry between us. So all the calcuations above are not relevant for me because I don't see Thailand as a sex destination but as escape from my hustle and bustle of my country...