My first long trip to BKK with special thanks to people of this forum.

[newscene]

Day 3 – What a lovely day, a perfect time for all touristy things. Spent time visiting temples, tried some street food and installed LINE (wait, did I say “Installed”) Yes you heard it right, after having conversation with 3 boys during my short-lived journey so far, I finally decided to give it a go and downloaded an app on my mobile also it’s more comfortable than giving people my Facebook ID so WINWIN situation, plus I can always uninstall it if I don’t like.

 

5:00pm back to my hotel, my legs are sore and I could use really nice foot massage, so that’s on the menu tonight for sure. After resting a bit, it was time for a quick shower and time to get ready for another exciting night. After finishing an Italian dinner, I started my journey with HM2 this time, said “Hi” to the guy I met last night, shared a drink with him, paid him 200 BHAT for his caressing and partially & sort of divided attention (well he was going in and out to greet and bring new customers in between hence “partial”, which I don’t mind BTW as it’s his job)

 

Time for a new bar, this time, I was gonna go to the place called “Jupiter”. Last year my friend mentioned this place to me but due to shortage of time, I couldn’t visit, so I decided to look it up over the internet and give this place a go tonight. After following google map (perfect app for a tourist like me) it didn’t take much time to reach there.

 

It was around 10:15pm but the place was fully packed, entry 400 BHAT, there wasn’t much space available but I got the stool with a good view to the stage so was fine with it until I got my drink ☹ Why? Because there was no place to put the glass on, nothing “NADA”, I had to hold the drink all the way, it was little uncomfortable but besides this, no complaints so far (SO FAR). The show started at 10:30pm and was pretty good. Guys available on the stage were very pretty, most of them were little hunk type and 3 of them were awesome, I would offer them immediately, however after looking at each of them, I got a feeling that none of them would be bottom, so, either I have to settle down with no sex tonight or need to move on to the new place.

 

Hmmm, tough choice, considering I had fun last two nights and since I hadn’t been able to enjoy DJS the other day, I could use this as an opportunity and try something new, who knows how things turn out, I might get lucky and guy might let me try OKAY too much thinking, I gotta hurry otherwise no boys will be left to offer tonight, so “TOP it is”.

 

I called mamassan or captain and asked about those 3 guys I liked, as expected all three super TOP, first one, the guy I liked the most “Already taken”, Second one “Available but not okay with “Kissing” – PASS, third one “Good looking, pale skin, good shape, OKAY with KISSING though speaks very little English and he is from VIETNAM” – FINE, I said, “You are my guy for tonight my friend, let’s go”.

 

Paid 400 BHAT for his drinks and another 400 BHAT to offer him & 200 BHAT to captain for facilitating talks and confirming about the stuff that I wanted to confirm like “DOES HE LIKE DANCING”. At 11:30pm we leave for DJS.

 

He got dressed and came to me, without hesitation, he held my hand, little firm but very comfortable, exactly the way I like it.

Opens the door like a gentleman and across the alley never let my hand go, like saying “Hold my hands and I will go anywhere with you”. At this point, I was super happy with my decision “thinking, how romantic, I like doing that and he somehow knew, I would love it, good sign for a seasoned professional in his field”.

 

DJS – Paid 600 BHAT for two of us, man, this place is always packed with hotties, this time I had one with me too (I thought). We picked our drinks and headed towards the first floor, I like to watch the dance from upstairs and once everyone is drunk, when I say everyone, I meant “ME”, I join the party. Now we are downstairs, trying our way through in the middle where two couple or bunch of hot, topless guys are dancing. Since it’s hot and many guys are topless, showing their nice muscular, gym fit bodies, I asked my dancing partner (let’s call him MR. V), “V” why don’t you take your shirt off and there you go, no hesitations, he pulls his shirt off hand it over to me, I slowly moved my hands to his back and nicely & gently put the shirt into his shorts, leaving no chance to not enjoy touching inside his underpants. Man, this is what I came here for. After a while, we were like other hotties, enjoying music, enjoying company of each other and hands all over the place.

 

At 2:00am finally music died down and it was time to leave the place. So far I had really nice time and I was looking forward to another eventful time in bed, I knew we aren’t going to have sex though there was this teeny tiny hope that things might turn out differently (later this did happen), so held his hand (this time me) and walked him out of the crowded place and led the way back to our hotel, we both were exhausted but he was little bit more than me (guess not used to dancing a lot ) he rested his head for quite some time over my shoulder, while we were walking silently to my hotel, I was caressing him every now and then, with smile and sweet kisses (LIKE a perfect date night).    

 

After 20 minutes long walk, we reached our hotel, I opened the door and he said “Hello, how are you?” to an empty room, I couldn’t hold my laugh and we kissed, at this point I am completely melting (I know it’s all been paid for and no real feeling but common I am enjoying my time and this moment is real even though the next won’t be).

 

I pushed him to the bed and kissed him a bit more, after 10 minutes of having fun with each other, I said, “Do you want to take a shower?” and he said “Yes” but then he immediately said “What time it is?” and I said, 2:35am “Why, do you have to be somewhere” I was hoping he would say “NO, just curious” but instead he said, “Sorry but Yes, I have to go around 3:00am, is that fine?”.

 

I was shocked, a little surprised and confused at the same time, I was like “He is telling me now, at 2:35am??” not even mentioned once while we were hanging out whole night? But then I thought, I was partially to blame too, I never cared to ask him if he can stay longer and if not, how long? He was simply going with the flow and wherever I wanted him to go, so how is this his fault??

 

Immediately I calmed myself down and didn’t show him that I was annoyed but made a little sad face so that, at least he knows how I was feeling. He said “I am sorry and folded his both hands in an apology and I was like, “no no, don’t, it’s absolutely fine, you must have something important” at this time, only 15 minutes left before his deadline and my mood spoiled. He asked me to connect on LINE so we exchanged numbers and chatted a bit. It was almost his time to go and I didn’t want to show him that I was pissed, not on him but more so on myself (I could have communicated better).   

 

I opened my wallet and thought to pay 2500 BHAT to him (a bit less than others in past) Since we didn’t do anything, just hang out and that should be fair but then my guilty conscience kicked in, “I was blaming him and therefore not paying him as equal to others”. I had known from the start that we would have no sex tonight, I know, I didn’t expect things will turn out like this but to his fairness, he did everything I asked him to, so why I was punishing him and not paying for his time that he deserves, I gave up (I hated these negative feelings) and gave him 3000 BHAT for his time and 100 BHAT for taxi.

 

He smiled and again said sorry by holding his hands and I placed both of my hands-on top of his and hugged him and said “It is fine” and returned the smile with brief kiss, we parted and he left the room ☹

 

To be continued… 

[reader]

It's all part of the learning curve.  Sounds like you had a great dance partner who fulfilled your desires in that department.

 

Agree that 2:35 is a disappointing time to realize that your other desire would go wanting.  But since I don't think that was discussed in advance, he's free to make his departure at will. Think I would have stayed with the 2500 and omitted the taxi bonus.

 

When you factor in the other costs (1900 if I caught them all), it's a 5,000 baht event.  But you found an enthusiastic dance partner that eluded you the other night and will have a good memory.

[steveboy]

Twink?..i dont think they deserved more than 1000baht LOL...

 

You are right if you pay the boys by the pounds they weight.  Then if a twink gets 1000, one of your choices in Tawan should get paid 3000 baht.  Simple arithmetic.

[steveboy]

I pushed him to the bed and kissed him a bit more, after 10 minutes of having fun with each other, I said, “Do you want to take a shower?” and he said “Yes” but then he immediately said “What time it is?” and I said, 2:35am “Why, do you have to be somewhere” I was hoping he would say “NO, just curious” but instead he said, “Sorry but Yes, I have to go around 3:00am, is that fine?”.

 

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I opened my wallet and thought to pay 2500 BHAT to him (a bit less than others in past) Since we didn’t do anything, just hang out and that should be fair but then my guilty conscience kicked in, “I was blaming him and therefore not paying him as equal to others”. I had known from the start that we would have no sex tonight, I know, I didn’t expect things will turn out like this but to his fairness, he did everything I asked him to, so why I was punishing him and not paying for his time that he deserves, I gave up (I hated these negative feelings) and gave him 3000 BHAT for his time and 100 BHAT for taxi.

 

He smiled and again said sorry by holding his hands and I placed both of my hands-on top of his and hugged him and said “It is fine” and returned the smile with brief kiss, we parted and he left the room ☹

 

To be continued… 

 

I cannot imagine anybody HAVING TO LEAVE at 3.00AM (except maybe a gynecologist with a patient in labor)

Hopefully with so much experiences in short time you will learn to love YOURSELF.

 

But you did very well by maintaining your composure and friendly demeanor.  At that moment you were still on time to negotiate and make a proposition, since you hadn't discussed the tip with him.  "I am thankful that you joined me going to the disco and having so much fun together, and I have a 1000 baht tip for you.  However, if you are able to stay until 5:00AM and give us time to have sex I will pay you 3000 baht"

[ggobkk]

Newscene - your reports are rivaling the Forum's best.  I certainly twig on the learning aspect of discovery and experimenting and mild disappointment when things aren't as hoped for/anticipated. 

 

Your next visit to Bangkok will profit from the willingness to learn you show in this visit.

[gerefan]

Sorry newscene but you are paying far too much. Short time should be 1500 to 2000 Baht in BKK.

If the guy appears unhappy at the 3000 then he was trying it on....

These boys can tell a newbie at 1000 kilometres ......

[paulsf]

There are a lot of boys that have day jobs. Because of this many will only stay till 2 or 3.

(Or girlfriends)

[steveboy]

There are a lot of boys that have day jobs. Because of this many will only stay till 2 or 3.

(Or girlfriends)

 

It is fine if the boy has also a day job to attend to.  But this should not justify doing an unsatisfactory night job.  To leave Newscene abruptly at 3AM all aroused without giving him the satisfaction of having sex is not kind.  At best it is selfish. But he has the right to do so, and it is fair that he gets paid much less.  3000 bahts, nearly 100 U$S, is overly generous for joining a client in a disco without giving him some sex, and even if this was not discussed in all details, it is a given that his client wants sex.  We ALL want sex!

 

Thinking it further, the boy was completely lacking professionalism in his night job.  He should have told the client up front that he could be with him only until 3PM, In this way, Newscene could have gone straight to his room and fucked him hard all the way until his 3PM, instead of spending time letting him dance around.

[paulsf]

As usual with most of your post, you have no idea what your talking about. You admit you don’t hire so you really wouldn’t know, If customer doesn’t tell boy he is looking for long time, they expect just an evening date. If you want all night, tell them. They spent 3 or 4 hours together, so 3000 isn’t out of line. Probably would have been ok with 2500.

Newscene is a newcomer to the forum. Sounds like he is having a great time. But with any newcomer to the Bangkok/Pattaya scene there is going to be a couple of bumps in the road.

[steveboy]

As usual with most of your post, you have no idea what your talking about. You admit you don’t hire so you really wouldn’t know, If customer doesn’t tell boy he is looking for long time, they expect just an evening date. If you want all night, tell them. They spent 3 or 4 hours together, so 3000 isn’t out of line. Probably would have been ok with 2500.

Newscene is a newcomer to the forum. Sounds like he is having a great time. But with any newcomer to the Bangkok/Pattaya scene there is going to be a couple of bumps in the road.

 

And here you have no idea what I was talking about.  It was not whether 3000 B was fine for 3 or 4 hours, but the fact that Newscene was shorted on the main course of the meal, the entree. Just when he was asked to take a shower, the boy suddenly had to leave.  Even if I have offed a boy only once, this site is full of information about this, which surely exceeds what your experience might be, and it empowers me to have my own opinion. If we off a boy, short or long time, the standard implicit assumption is that it is for sex.  Since the leaving time in this case was left open, it is up to the boy to make sure that he delivers, and he should have made clear that he had to leave a 3AM.  But the world is not perfect, so what I proposed to pay the full (intended, not promised) tip if he stayed and held his end of the service, is perfectly fine.

[DivineMadman]

And here you have no idea what I was talking about.  It was not whether 3000 B was fine for 3 or 4 hours, but the fact that Newscene was shorted on the main course of the meal, the entree. Just when he was asked to take a shower, the boy suddenly had to leave.  Even if I have offed a boy only once, this site is full of information about this, which surely exceeds what your experience might be, and it empowers me to have my own opinion. If we off a boy, short or long time, the standard implicit assumption is that it is for sex.  Since the leaving time in this case was left open, it is up to the boy to make sure that he delivers, and he should have made clear that he had to leave a 3AM.  But the world is not perfect, so what I proposed to pay the full (intended, not promised) tip if he stayed and held his end of the service, is perfectly fine.

no you are wrong.  wrong.  wrong.  wrong.  short time does not mean however long we hang out together plus sex.  it means short time, which typically means ending around 3:00.  so you are wrong.  wrong.  wrong.  

 

and there i go feeding the troll.  shame on me.

[DivineMadman]

Newscene - your reports are rivaling the Forum's best.  I certainly twig on the learning aspect of discovery and experimenting and mild disappointment when things aren't as hoped for/anticipated. 

 

Your next visit to Bangkok will profit from the willingness to learn you show in this visit.

+1

 

these are delightful well written reports that do a great job of taking us through your experience/learning.  They are a great source for people new to the scene and a particularly nice reminder to all that it's about having fun.  You have a great attitude.  Much appreciated.  

[vinapu]

Life is beautiful  and you newscene are God sent to this forum. 

 

Few months ago I posted my September trip impressions and true to form generated the same heat like yours  now about my tipping practices.  Nothing ever generates more heat on the board that discussing other people's money and spending habits. I say it matter of factly , not trying to be sarcastic or something.

 

Don't feel offended or discouraged by some comments as they seem to express their bearers honest opinion although not necessarily it means they are right.

 

Bottom lines are:

1. you can spent as much or as little  as you want and at end of day it's between boy and you. We may think our tip is generous or very stingy and boy's take of it may be completely opposite. 

 

Everybody and their brother in law may scream at you for paying say,  4000 for long time  as being excessive and unheard of , but boy may still give you a face because for some reason he expected  to get even more.

 

On another  hand you spit at yourself in the mirror for tipping just 1000 and for bay it may be life line because this is what he needs in the morning to top up his rent , send to mama or pay to loan shark.

 

2. in reality it's only you who knows what you are paying for, we can only imagine based on narrative in the thread. Sex may be great , boy may be fun or so handsome that you may consider a treat just looking at him or holding his hands - each of us has something different which makes us happy. Some may start with 30 minutes kissing session before going further, for others the same 30 minutes is enough to have  a shower, kiss , fuck,  another shower and a conversation over Chang. 

 

So never be defensive when somebody criticizes you tip too much or too little ( but keep in mind they may, just may , be right)

 

You are right if you pay the boys by the pounds they weight.  Then if a twink gets 1000, one of your choices in Tawan should get paid 3000 baht.  Simple arithmetic.

no need to be sarcastic or unkind to fellow forum member with this stupid comment. Please notice I said comment is stupid , not you,  before you jump in.

 

It's not simple arithmetic, rather market pricing. In general population and it seems even more in bar boy population twinks are over-represented so warrant lower price. There are more twinks between Screwboys and Freshboys  than muscly hunks in all BKK bars combined .

 

 

1. I cannot imagine anybody HAVING TO LEAVE at 3.00AM (except maybe a gynecologist with a patient in labor)

 

2.  But you did very well by maintaining your composure and friendly demeanor.  At that moment you were still on time to negotiate and make a proposition, since you hadn't discussed the tip with him.  "I am thankful that you joined me going to the disco and having so much fun together, and I have a 1000 baht tip for you.  However, if you are able to stay until 5:00AM and give us time to have sex I will pay you 3000 baht"

1.

With great pleasure and fanfare I announce that I agree with you 123.886 %. Boy sensed that he can get away with going earlier and rather was happy with whatever short time tip he was expecting. It happens from time to time , often they offer discount on agreed tip if I release them earlier so while not entirely fair it can be expected. That is reason I discuss tip AND TIME FRAME with boy before taking him and they still renege sometimes.

 

2. While your proposal has a merit it is not necessarily workable in circumstances, one  may be shocked by sudden announcement of departure like in the case above, not everybody is good at bargaining under pressure and some still may not wish to spoil their good time by trying to hold back to a boy who just wants to leave.

 

From my experience even if he will stay taking an offer , mood will be spoiled so unfortunately if he wants to go , let him go.

 

It is not the same when we preemptively offer compensation for an extension i.e. if you return to the room for another hour after breakfast I will give you xxx baht.

 

 

Newscene - your reports are rivaling the Forum's best. 

if I had three hands I'd sign this statement with all three.

 

Sorry newscene but you are paying far too much.

 

Short time should be 1500 to 2000 Baht in BKK.
If the guy appears unhappy at the 3000 then he was trying it on....
These boys can tell a newbie at 1000 kilometres ......

All is  correct but  I can't see how to agree with the first line.

 

What is better , sticking to a 1500 standard or overpay even 100% and have fabulous time. Only we can assess and decide on value received.

In September   my long times were evenly split between 4000 and 2000 ones. And all those expensive one were worth it to me while I have doubts about few cheaper ones. Don't I know better ?

 

1. It is fine if the boy has also a day job to attend to.  But this should not justify doing an unsatisfactory night job.  To leave Newscene abruptly at 3AM all aroused without giving him the satisfaction of having sex is not kind.  At best it is selfish. But he has the right to do so, and it is fair that he gets paid much less.

 

2.  3000 bahts, nearly 100 U$S, is overly generous for joining a client in a disco without giving him some sex, and even if this was not discussed in all details, it is a given that his client wants sex. 

 

3.We ALL want sex!

 

4. Thinking it further, the boy was completely lacking professionalism in his night job.  He should have told the client up front that he could be with him only until 3PM, In this way, Newscene could have gone straight to his room and fucked him hard all the way until his 3PM, instead of spending time letting him dance around.

1. I agree again , this time 113.876 %

 

2. I disagree for reason explained  a bit above and also below. It's up to us to decide if what we pay is worth it or no. Clearly good time was had by OP and he decided to price it way he did. Quite possible we'd do the same, we don't know because we weren't there and did not feel that heat wherever Newscene did.

 

3.But not all the time . Have you ever really talked to a prostitute about her / his job? Sometimes their  clients  just want somebody to talk to and to tell them how handsome they are  and confirm how bitchy their wife is, sex if happens at all is just part of routine easily to be skipped.

 

I'm yet to meet massage boy who is top and who admits that he fucked  every  client he massages. My second last off last trip left me at 1 a.m. ( agreed before hand ) to meed his regular Indonesian client  his age. Every time they just drink together at DJ Station and according to the man his only sex related job is to take his shirt off for client to admire his champion musculature.

I have no reason to doubt his story.

 

4. nothing unprofessional - he made client happy for few hours and he got very well compensated for that - how amateurish is that? By the way, Titanic was built by professionals.

 

Hope I did not derail thread too much but I  feel it's my civic duty here to defend newbies accused of overspending.

 

It's great to be blessed with two great trip reports at the same time , Goldmember's and Newscene's, what a great and free spending forum we are !

[vinapu]

 But with any newcomer to the Bangkok/Pattaya scene there is going to be a couple of bumps in the road.

out of my 16 trips to LOS only one , the 12th in Dec 2015 was one without bumps, it's always something

[vinapu]

You admit you don’t hire so you really wouldn’t know,

Very good point Paul

 

what we know about  Steve from his   own posts is that he is   about 70, he  likes his   dick to be white and that he  doesn't pay  for sex so really is not familiar with an issue he is so actively engaged distributing advises.

 

We need to remember that in conflict situation we are dealing usually with much younger man on his own turf, last thing we need is a scene, perhaps even violent. Armchair diatribes may not apply to a tip discussions while horny,  drunk and  upset at 3 a.m. 

[newscene]

believe me , I rather be that inexperienced like then , 16 years ago. There's noting like exploring  Silom / Suriwong neighborhood for the first time.

 

Might I ask, how was it back then? Was it better than what it is now? Or The world is more exciting these days?

[Jasper]

After 20 minutes long walk, we reached our hotel, I opened the door and he said “Hello, how are you?” to an empty room, I couldn’t hold my laugh and we kissed, at this point I am completely melting (I know it’s all been paid for and no real feeling but common I am enjoying my time and this moment is real even though the next won’t be).

 

 

I am enjoying your trip report and particularly love this part.

You’ve described the boyfriend experience with the Jupiter boy very well.

We are privileged to know your inner thoughts and feeling of that time as if we were you actually standing in the same hotel room with the boy.

 

PS I am surprised to read the boy actually walked for 20 min. without complaining.

[newscene]

I am enjoying your trip report and particularly love this part.

You’ve described the boyfriend experience with the Jupiter boy very well.

We are privileged to know your inner thoughts and feeling of that time as if we were you actually standing in the same hotel room with the boy.

 

PS I am surprised to read the boy actually walked for 20 min. without complaining.

 

Thanks Jasper, in fact, I would be very glad to tell you, all the boys all met, say about 5 in total during my trip, except one, none of guys seems to have any complaints about walking, most of the time either we were talking or taking a little stop to eat a bit or pick up something from 7 eleven, so nothing seemed too far. Although if we were brisk walking, we could have covered the distance may be in 13-15 minutes but what’s fun in that

[steveboy]

and there i go feeding the troll.  shame on me.

 

Yes, shame on you.  Here you are trolling my post.  I won't converse with you, I don't care what you think.

[steveboy]

It's not simple arithmetic, rather market pricing. In general population and it seems even more in bar boy population twinks are over-represented so warrant lower price. There are more twinks between Screwboys and Freshboys  than muscly hunks in all BKK bars combined .

 

Then I count my blessings, because I like a product that is overabundant and under priced. 

[newscene]

Newscene - your reports are rivaling the Forum's best.  I certainly twig on the learning aspect of discovery and experimenting and mild disappointment when things aren't as hoped for/anticipated. 

 

Your next visit to Bangkok will profit from the willingness to learn you show in this visit.

 

Thanks ggobkk. I couldn't agree more, I have learnt a lot from this trip and I am sure next trip would be more exciting, though I am sure everyone would agree, first time is always unique, either it’s good or bad or so so experience, whatever it is, it’s all new. This newness won’t be there next time instead there will be experience and learning. It's nature, you need to give something to get something.

[newscene]

Don't feel offended or discouraged by some comments as they seem to express their bearers honest opinion although not necessarily it means they are right.

 

2. in reality it's only you who knows what you are paying for, we can only imagine based on narrative in the thread. Sex may be great , boy may be fun or so handsome that you may consider a treat just looking at him or holding his hands - each of us has something different which makes us happy. Some may start with 30 minutes kissing session before going further, for others the same 30 minutes is enough to have  a shower, kiss , fuck,  another shower and a conversation over Chang. 

 

So never be defensive when somebody criticizes you tip too much or too little ( but keep in mind they may, just may , be right)

 

 

 

Vinapu – You are simply great! I agree with all you said above and thanks for the kind words BTW, this means a lot.

 

A BIG THANK YOU to all for reading this big, almost one pager blog and sharing your thoughts with me and the wider community. The more information we share, the more awareness we will spread.

 

Alizizou, gerefan and Steveboy – I do appreciate your thoughts, and really like that you guys are sharing with us, though please don’t take me wrong, when I say, I don’t quite agree with some of your thought process. Like Vinapu said, we all have our own way of happiness, for me vacation is all about having good time, (Sex is great but not a deal breaker), with a place like Bangkok where you can, not only have a companionship but can have added benefit with that, is what makes this experience unique.

I know, I might have paid more than what the market trend is or some might say, guys took advantage of me knowing I am a newbie but to be honest, this would have happened with them too, someone would have taken advantage of them when they were new and now they are merely returning the favour. Not good on my part of course as I am pouring money down the drain but it’s all part of learning, right? Had I not got these treatments, I would have never come across to this wonderful site and got to know about this enormous knowledge bank, so that’s a gain isn’t? This knowledge and my learning from self-experience is priceless.

 

You would be glad to know, I did corrected some of my mistakes later, I would post soon covering what happened on day 4 to day 6 after knowing about this site and after reading the experience that you all shared, though again referring back to Vinapu, we all have our own way and I like to appreciate something unique or reward great experiences that I had while keeping our social responsibility in mind to ensure boys and establishments have better experience too, to keep this flow going as ultimately it benefits us more than the guys who provide the service, taking Europe as an example where we pay way more than what we pay here in Bangkok but again it’s just me as some might argue I am comparing APPLE vs ORANGE which is really big topic in itself

 

Spoiler alert, Steveboy and Alizizou – You probably won’t be happy with what I did on my last day in Bangkok therefore please feel free to disregard my experience as it just applies to me, to my ethics and has no bearing on anyone else.   

[steveboy]

Spoiler alert, Steveboy and Alizizou – You probably won’t be happy with what I did on my last day in Bangkok therefore please feel free to disregard my experience as it just applies to me, to my ethics and has no bearing on anyone else.   

 

Newscene, nothing what you do or not do will make me unhappy.  I am of course happy if you have a good time and find satisfaction in everything you do. When this is not the case, you at least gain experience and when you hopefully reach my age you will know how to deal with the world to maximize the probability that things come out to your satisfaction.

[spoon]

U even contemplating when u wanted to reduce your tips because he want to depart early, that on its own is enough for you to tips whatever amount that will get rid that guilty feeling offf your heart, after all, u want to feel happy on your holiday, and being hunged up and feeling guilty isnt the way to go. Yes there are roughly a standard rate, but most of us have overpaid or underpaid, depending on the services we get, how the boy performs, and what time of holiday it is, for example, im more generous if its my last day of the holiday, as ive always frugal on my spending and have left overs of thai baht by the end of my vacation. Some times, if i take the same boy, without having to go to the bar, pay entrance, drinks, tips mamasan etc, all that saving goes to that boy eventually lol. The boy i had last time saves me few baht there so the last night i actually pay him 4k, and i receive double kisses lol cant wait for another trip to LoS, but have been busy with work, got promoted very recently and still adjusting to this new position. Lol

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U even contemplating when u wanted to reduce your tips because he want to depart early, that on its own is enough for you to tips whatever amount that will get rid that guilty feeling offf your heart, after all, u want to feel happy on your holiday, and being hunged up and feeling guilty isnt the way to go. Yes there are roughly a standard rate, but most of us have overpaid or underpaid, depending on the services we get, how the boy performs, and what time of holiday it is, for example, im more generous if its my last day of the holiday, as ive always frugal on my spending and have left overs of thai baht by the end of my vacation. Some times, if i take the same boy, without having to go to the bar, pay entrance, drinks, tips mamasan etc, all that saving goes to that boy eventually lol. The boy i had last time saves me few baht there so the last night i actually pay him 4k, and i receive double kisses lol cant wait for another trip to LoS, but have been busy with work, got promoted very recently and still adjusting to this new position. Lol

 

Congratulations on your promotion Spoon!! Yes, totally agree, last day is always different and similar to you I had given bigger tips than usual