Screw Boys 14th November

[reader]

$60 usd is the going rate in my little state of Delaware. I sometimes get a message on the apps from a guy looking for a "generous" partner. When I ask how much the reply is often $60 or less.

 

The apps may be offering enough competition for many not to travel away from home for some slap and tickle with 18 and up hot guys.

 

If the guy who comes to your door for $60 is an attractive Asian, you may have found the sweet spot.  But I'd be more concerned that it's someone between fixes who's desperate for quick cash.

[vinapu]

Unless I'm especially keen on the guy.

 

 

in such a case I pay whatever he wants if only to see if  an initial  amazement  materializes and how

[bucknaway]

If the guy who comes to your door for $60 is an attractive Asian, you may have found the sweet spot. But I'd be more concerned that it's someone between fixes who's desperate for quick cash.

I'm not only into Asian. I like handsome guys of any race

[reader]

I'm not only into Asian. I like handsome guys of any race

[bucknaway]

True as of today who knows what tomorrow brings

[Boy69]

On my last trips I didn't off boys from bars simply because the rates become outrageous, massage parlors are a rip off as well I did it one and last time.I find boys from the apps never paid more than 1000 Baht ST or 1500 Baht LT ,I agree with a447a approach of "there will be one counter-offer and a final yes/no" there is no need to pay outrageous rates in Thailand as some of the forum members paid otherwise there is no point to travel there because I can find local boys in my country .

[paulsf]

In my home town, short time runs 8000 - 10000 baht. So I can’t even consider 2000 in Bangkok as outrageous.

[Guest]

Rooms in Claridges (London) cost something in the £450~1600 a night range, maybe more.

That does not mean I would happily pay 71,000 baht for a night in the Nantra Silom.

 

Thai annual GDP per capita is about $6000*.    Salaries & earning power tend to roughly correlate with GDP.

 

So if you come from a country with GDP per capita in the  $30,000++ range, as most of us do, average salaries at home may be 5 or more times those in Thailand.   So whilst Thai money boys should earn a lot more than the average wage, to base their fees on what you pay back home is incredibly generous.

 

Nevertheless, I would say:

 

Bangkok:  15~1600 ST seems to result in happy boys.    2000 would not be outrageous, so I'm kind of agreeing with the previous post by Paulsf there.    I just don't think it's right to get to that price by comparing it with prices back home.

 

Pattaya:  2000 would be well above the going rate for short time.   There's plenty of evidence of people paying 1000~1300 reported in these threads.  One live thread is reporting paying less than 1000.  

I pay 12~1300 ST & have only just started paying 2000 LT.

There are also reports of people responding to the 2000 baht with offers near to 1000 and having them accepted.

 

Therefore demonstrating the obvious:  

If you ask a bar boy what he wants for short time, he has nothing to lose by quoting a high figure. 

Providing he drops prices rapidly if the customer won't accept that price.

[alex303]

@ Hanan...no sorry the same type or quality of 'fun' cannot be had in dear old London town for those numbers so I'm quite happy thanks

[reader]

massage parlors are a rip off as well

 

Where's the rip off.  You get to choose a guy of your choice; you're provided with a private room; you have an opportunity to shower before and after massage. And you get to see the guy in person before committing.

 

And there's no time wasted on line. I'll take that deal any day and twice on Sundays.

[alex303]

z909...sure I 'get' that and if it was a ridiculous number I would either counter or just move on / ignore...but there's room for movement and bit like Vinapu said the haggling can kill the mood on both side sometimes if your horny for each other.

[Boy69]

Where's the rip off. You get to choose a guy of your choice; you're provided with a private room; you have an opportunity to shower before and after massage. And you get to see the guy in person before committing.

 

And there's no time wasted on line. I'll take that deal any day and twice on Sundays.

If I want professional massage I can take one on 'respectable' parlor for 200 to 500 Bhat for hour and if I want sex I can find boy on the apps to come in my convenient private hotel room for about 1000 Baht .I really don't understand the concept of choosing a boy at 'questionable' massage parlor that usually isn't professional masseure neither willing to perform full sex service on a cost of around 2K Baht in total.

[reader]

If I want professional massage I can take one on 'respectable' parlor for 200 to 500 Bhat for hour and if I want sex I can find boy on the apps to come in my convenient private hotel room for about 1000 Baht .I really don't understand the concept of choosing a boy at 'questionable' massage parlor that usually isn't professional masseure neither willing to perform full sex service on a cost of around 2K Baht in total.

 

We've clearly had very different experiences in message shops. "Reputable" and "questionable" are very subjective terms. I can say that the massages I receive at places I frequent are performed skillfully.

 

I think, however, that I understand the source of your dissatisfaction. You're expecting "full sex service." Massage shops are not--and should not be--brothels. Going in and anticipating that the guy you pick is your whore for 60 or 90 minutes is a sure fire way to a disappointing experience.

 

Some of the fun--for me anyway--is discovering how each guy differs and what he can do that provides each us with a mutually satisfactory outcome. It begins with basic respect for him as an individual and goes from there.  It's not rocket science.

 

But I think you've settled on a way that works best for you and I wish you well.

[spoon]

I enjoy sensual type of massage and regular thai/oil massage. Both type of massages can be a huge turn on for me, so that is one of the reason i like going to the massage parlour, much more than say gogo bar. Even when the masseur doesnt really meet my type, but perform great massage, id gladly proceed to the fun part as he will get me horny from the massage lol. However, it is very rare for me to find someone who is drop dead gorgeous in massage parlour, so i still go to gogo bar for that lol. Yes massage parlour is more expensive, but u should expect a good massage from the masseur, more so to justify the fee u pay to the shop, and the services given after the massage should be from your tips. If u dont enjoy massage as a kind of a foreplay, no point going to the gay massage parlours.

 

My fantasy is always hoping to meet a model like gogo bar muscular hunk who can actually gives me the best massage and then the fun part too. But my from previous encounters, no one meet that criteria yet. Maybe one day.

[Guest]

You're expecting "full sex service." Massage shops are not--and should not be--brothels. Going in and anticipating that the guy you pick is your whore for 60 or 90 minutes is a sure fire way to a disappointing experience.

 

 

This is not strictly correct.    

 

On my sole visit to one of the gay massage parlours on Soi Twilight, the boy stripped off immediately, made no attempt to provide any massage lasting more than about 1 minute & we had sex.   So that is like a brothel.

 

I believe some of the other specialist gay places are exactly like this, but it will need other members to advise, since I usually go to massage places that offer a massage & save the sex for the hotel.

 

What we need is some kind of classification system.    I suppose Shamesles Mack would have one, but let's try my own:

 

 

X= we're not interested

Green = where I think these businesses operate.

Numbers are tip scale.

 

So the type of gay place where full sex is expected is 1D, in green, with tips on the same scale as bar boys.

Picking your male masseur from  a mixed male-female place is likely to have a happy ending, but it's not guaranteed.  3B,C

4B, C, D will be of no relevance.    

A professional massage by a female, 4A, would be something I might consider when fancying a massage & being in a small town with no male massage staff in sight.  A last resort.

 

Row 2 should exist, but most of the places I see with all male staff look like gay places.

 

Row 3 is where I operate, picking a male masseur & having a massage.

 

Anyway, due to the range of services, I do think it's very important to specify what sort of massage service you're talking about when discussing the recommended tip.   

 

Full sex is very different to a "professional" massage that's paid for in the fee & where no extras are provided.

[reader]

Too bad Shameless Mack isn't still around; you could collaborate. 

 

All too complicated for me, I'm afraid. 

 

I don't use the massage only shops because I know where I can find what I'm looking for elsewhere. Like I said, it ain't rocket science in my experience.

 

To each his own but I do admire your ingenuity.

[DivineMadman]

I'm baffled by a lot of this.  I think that the "full service" M4M massage shops are indeed brothels.  

 

Certainly at the main such shops the masseur is naked from the start.  As long as you confirmed role/price ahead of time, then that agreed-upon sex is what you are getting.  The quality of the massages may vary, but most are good to very good sensual massages.  This would include, but would not be limited to, Arena, Prince, VCK, Bangkok, Bonny, My Hero, Spa Sathorn.  You wouldn't go to one of those places for a sports massage.   Personally, I think the guys who work at Prince and VCK are as good looking as any that work at Dream Boys, but of course de gustibus.....

 

At some of the more rarified boutiques M4M full service shops, the masseur may start somewhat clothed, but as long as the role/price are agreed ahead of time, full on sense will be the natural conclusion of the massage.  This would include, but would not be limited to Baantewa, Leo Spa, Nine, Senso, Urban Male.  For most pictures can be readily found of the guys who work there.  You can decide if they are good looking enough.

 

All part of the Bangkok buffet for men.  You pay extra for a massage at one of these shops, just like you pay extra for the "shows" at the go-go bars.  Each of us can decide on whether it's worth it.  The apps involve their share of frustrations and risks.  Personally I like a mix.

[vinapu]

 there is no need to pay outrageous rates in Thailand as some of the forum members paid otherwise there is no point to travel there because I can find local boys in my country .

there's no point to travel that far to be unhappy and spend days and nights worrying about overspending 300-500 over market on an off . Penny pinching is not everybody's idea of good vacation time . For that I have home.  

 

There's nothing wrong with watching one's expenses but if that's primary consideration while vacationing perhaps  better idea would be  to come less often , for shorter period but not feel miserable every time  when dream boy asks 2000 and we are willing to pay just half of it just because that's the market rate and our ego doesn't allow us to be taken for a ride by some country boy. 

[vinapu]

 

 

And there's no time wasted on line. I'll take that deal any day and twice on Sundays.

Sunday in massage places is a bit different day as lots of regular boys are taking day off so our favorite may be missing , on another hand boys who are working only on weekends will appear.

[vinapu]

.I really don't understand the concept of choosing a boy at 'questionable' massage parlor that usually isn't professional masseure neither willing to perform full sex service on a cost of around 2K Baht in total.

then just don't do it, why torment yourself on vacations ?

[Boy69]

then just don't do it, why torment yourself on vacations ?

I don't do it! tried once the maseur boy was OK but the whole situation was awkward for me. plenty of boys at the apps some of them will do massage as well and all of it at my own hotel room for 1000 to 1500 Baht and sometimes stay overnight what can be better than that ?

Of course this is not the ideal solution some of the boys don't bother to show up , arrive late or not exactly my type but most of the times it was fine.

[reader]

I don't do it! tried once the maseur boy was OK but the whole situation was awkward for me. plenty of boys at the apps some of them will do massage as well and all of it at my own hotel room for 1000 to 1500 Baht and sometimes stay overnight what can be better than that ?

Of course this is not the ideal solution some of the boys don't bother to show up , arrive late or not exactly my type but most of the times it was fine.

 

You've settled on a system you're comfortable with and that's fine.  But you've mentioned a few times that you only tried a massage shop once. I'd hesitate to extrapolate that one "OK" experience and assume that all massage shop experiences will be similar.

[Guest]

there's no point to travel that far to be unhappy and spend days and nights worrying about overspending 300-500 over market on an off . Penny pinching is not everybody's idea of good vacation time . For that I have home.  

 

Now I agree on that point.      The money is saved by intelligent choices at home.   The holiday should not be constrained by penny pinching.

 

 

When I get to Thailand:

1  I know Bangkok is expensive, so increase my notional daily budget & don't spend long in that city.

 

2  I don't have to worry about overspending.  

  Pattaya has so many boys ready to do short time for 12~1300, so I don't have to take any boy that asks for 2000.  

  On the most recent trip, I don't recall any asking for more than I pay.

 

 My last tip to a Bangkok gogo boy was 1600, which was met with a warm smile & no request for more.

 The Planet Romeo boys were happy to show up for about 1000 & 1200.

[Boy69]

Now I agree on that point. The money is saved by intelligent choices at home. The holiday should not be constrained by penny pinching.

 

 

When I get to Thailand:

1 I know Bangkok is expensive, so increase my notional daily budget & don't spend long in that city.

 

2 I don't have to worry about overspending.

Pattaya has so many boys ready to do short time for 12~1300, so I don't have to take any boy that asks for 2000.

On the most recent trip, I don't recall any asking for more than I pay.

 

My last tip to a Bangkok gogo boy was 1600, which was met with a warm smile & no request for more.

The Planet Romeo boys were happy to show up for about 1000 & 1200.

Couldn't agree more we have to remember that the average salary in Thailand is about 10,000 Baht a month and if we pay the boy 1000 to 1500 Baht he is earning at a very short time what regular Thai worker can earn on 3 to 5 full working days so there isn't a reason why the boy wouldn't be happy with this fee that's however what I am paying usually and most of the boys are satisfied, so I don't see any logic to throw away extrovagent amounts to boys whom demanded and received

by some of the forum members here.If a boy demands more than what I am willing to pay I just refuse politely and move to other boys, there are plenty fish in the sea ...

[vinapu]

Couldn't agree more we have to remember that the average salary in Thailand is about 10,000 Baht a month and if we pay the boy 1000 to 1500 Baht he is earning at a very short time what regular Thai worker can earn on 3 to 5 full working days so there isn't a reason why the boy wouldn't be happy with this fee

our reasoning has noting to do with when and with what boy should feel happy, that's very patronizing way of thinking . It's for BOY to decide if he is happy or not.

 

We may feel that we are doing him favor by paying him 3 day's worth of minimum salary for 1 hour of pumping his ass or even worse for 1 hr of him  pumping our ass but  he still may think we are taking an advantage of him and his misfortune of being poor Issan boy,.

 

Whole comparizon of minimum wage to tips is despicable as selling ones ass has nothing to do with minimum wage levels.

 

Nothing wrong with sticking to so called market rates but it's nothing to advertise loudly too. Doesn't matter if you pay 1000 for short time or I pay sometimes 4000 for long time, in both cases we are taking an advantage of cheap ass and cock so too speak.

 

 

It's just some of us are better in trying to distribute global wealth more evenly. Boy may not be performing to specification and even reneging on promise what  he will do but still he is selling a bit of his dignity , so some ugly troll like me feels free to put his hand on his privates without warning.

 

Pay what you feel is fair and what boy accepts but don't pretend that you are saving world by tipping an equivalent of taxi ride to the airport in your home town for enchanting hour  or two  with somebody who probably would be happier in somebody else's company than ours. 

 

and if tips are such concern , what about rolling one's sleeves , generating more income , saving more money and enjoying vacation without need to haggle about cost of chewing gum.