Screw Boys 14th November

[Guest jones]

So after reading the previous post on screw boys especially the reports of twinky Vietnamese boys working in there I was out the door like a shot and in the bar by 8:45pm just to make sure I didn't miss anything interesting.

 

There was around 10 boys on stage but I entered anyway as one Vietnamese boy was absolutely stunning. I'm sure I've seen him before working in soi twilight.

 

I ordered a drink and the nice Mamassan guy was talking to me the usual chit chat about where am I from etc. He asked me what type of guys I like and I said I'm a big fan of Vietnamese boys. He said in around 30 minutes more boys will arrive.

 

The guy who had initially caught my eye was just getting undressed to go onto the stage although was taking some time while checking his phone.

 

I pointed him out To The Mamassan and asked about him but unfortunately he could only masturbate with a guy which was a big let down although I've kind of got used to the fact that many of these Vietnamese boys are not even gay!

 

I waited around for the other guys to turn up which they did and then the Mamassan pointed out another Vietnamese guy which had a bit more muscle on him which i don't usually go for but was still slim but I said not for me thank you.

 

Eventually the boy of whom the Mamassan had pointed out came and sat by me. He was a lot cuter when close up so I bought him a drink.

 

After talking and a bit of body contact I headed off to soi twilight to check all of the other bars for my type of guy.

 

I should note here, I don't usually do Bangkok gogo bars as I don't see the point in paying 3x the cost of a drink to that in Pattaya (call me tight but hey).

 

This was my treat night in Bangkok! I checked all bars in soi twilight and had a drink in 3 of them. A couple of Vietnamese boys caught my eye in twilight but again was both top only or could only massage.

 

I left twilight and headed back to screw boys with the boy who I had been sat with on my mind.

 

The boy greeted me on arrival and I asked him over for another drink and he sat with me again.

 

I spoke to the Mamassan who assured me he was the one Vietnamese boy that could do anything at all! "This boy is good, be can top he can bottom he can massage he can everything" I was told.

 

I spoke to the boy to confirm this and he agreed he can do "anything" whilst massaging my leg.

 

Eventually I said ok I will take you and during discussion decided between us to Go To DJ Station for a couple of drinks and get some food before heading to the hotel.

 

The boy repeatedly said he can stay with me for 2 hour 3 hour 5 hour up to me, as long as I was happy he was happy because he likes me.

 

So the deal was done and off to DJ Station we went. On arrival to DJ Station security check they asked the boy for ID. He had only a copy of his passport which security refused! So on our way we went.

 

Had some food just outside DJ Station (street food) and then headed to my hotel.

 

Once we arrived at my hotel we relaxed for a while, listening to some Vietnamese music (his choice) and then took showers.

 

We soon got down to business on my part but I soon got a feeling that this guy is not gay! It went from being all over me in the bar to a cold vibe when I got close as if he didn't want to kiss.

 

Moving on I pretty much had to direct his head to where it needed to be but after that all seemed fine enough.

 

I moved things on after a while of 4play and immediately I could see this was going nowhere!

 

I put on my protection to which he looked in shock and said "you want to f*ck?" Yes I said.

 

I had only touched him with my hand and he gave the sigh of a painful experience. I said I haven't done anything? (I really hadn't).

 

I asked him if he was ok to which he replied ok and so I went to get down to the real business and of course just as we touched "diep" (pain) he said (he can speak viet and Thai).

 

Again I asked if he was ok to which he replied he can not while holding his stomach. I'm unsure why (well I am) because nothing had happened.

 

He then suggested that we try oral which ended up with me using my hand instead which i guessed was the best I was going to see from my treat in Bangkok and then we (or should I say) I finished.

 

He went straight to the shower and laid on the bed. He kept using my phone to talk to people on Facebook which i didn't mind as he had no phone himself.

 

We had agreed in the bar 2000bht for his time for "2 hour, 3 hour 5 hour upto me" and for argument sake I decided to pay him what we had agreed.

 

He looked at the 2000bht as I put it down and he said "only 2000?". Yes I said.

 

He then started doing some maths and said "11pm" (which is when I took him) "now 3am" and then asked for 4000bht!

 

This immediately annoyed me and I said 4000bht for what? You couldn't even fulfil what had been agreed in the bar!

 

I told him I'm going to sleep as a polite way of saying it's time to go and then he pulled out a receipt for 4000bht and I asked what is it (with my I'm not concerned face on).

 

It was a receipt for a mobile phone which costs 4000bht. I said oh and that I'm going to sleep. We hugged (he hugged me) and then asked for another 500bht to which i said no and off he went.

 

In the bar earlier that evening he had added me on Facebook using my own phone and so once he had gone I thought let me just check something.

 

I looked on his 'interested in' section (sexual preference) and of course it said he is interested in women. What's the chances.

 

So basically I had offed a straight guy who I was assured is gay and bottom (or everything) by himself and the Mamassan and it was a lie to get money from me!

 

I've learnt my lesson and next time I will tell boys in the bars that if the boy can't fulfil what was agreed I will give him 500bht. But then again they will say they didn't understand!

 

My experience was a wasted evening and a waste of money at screw boys taking a straight guy who had no intention of performing but was ready to see it through for the money!

 

What was I possibly paying 4000bht for? I wasn't taking him to spend time with him as he full well knows!

 

Lesson learnt!

[Guest]

Thank you for the report Jones.

 

To summarize, your report:

1 More reports of Vietnamese boys in Bangkok who cannot perform.  

2 Some in Screw Boys who openly will not do anything & one who succeeded in scamming you out of 2000 baht, by pretending he would, in cahoots with the mamasan.    Plus asking for 4000 baht, when he barely deserves 500 baht.

 

Are there any non-Vietnamese cuties left in Screwboys ?   

Or to put it more diplomatically, cute boys who WILL perform ?

And can I easily tell them apart from the Vietnamese ?

 

If this is how the bar is, I shall probably have to give it a miss on my next trip.     Your post might serve as a good warning to other members.  

[Guest jones]

Hi

 

There are a few cute boys in there depends on your type but I'm quite picky and would say the boys in screw boys are overall better than I seen in twilight.

 

Eventually around 25 boys in screw boys by 10pm.

 

I would have no idea if they will perform or not as it was my first time in the bar and only spoke with the one guy.

 

It's ok for a drink I guess but if this is the game in Bkk I would be reluctant to off again especially at 2000bht for a let down!

 

There isn't really a way to tell what the outcome of your off would be if the boy and Mamassan are going to tell you all the right things just to find its nothing like that once you get back to your room.

[faranglaw]

It seems we hear pretty consistently that Vietnamese guys cannot or will not perform even the most vanilla sex. Burmese, Laotian, and Cambodian guys seem to me to much gentler and obliging. Would others agree?

[paulsf]

We hear on this site that many posters don’t like the Vietnamese, but we are not the only customers. They do have a good rate of being offed. I’ve been dealing with the Vietnamese pretty much exclusively for 6 or 7 years. I don’t have the issues that most complain about. But I will admit they are more work than other boys. I am a little surprised by the stories of Screwboys. The Vietnamese there are usually easier to deal with and more open .

[vinapu]

If this is how the bar is, I shall probably have to give it a miss on my next trip.     Your post might serve as a good warning to other members.  

I'd not  generalize too much based on one report of unfortunate encounter. It may happen in any  bar .

 

We had quite a few good reports from Screwboys recently too. 

 

But warning it is and  If I was jones I'd post boy's name or number.

 

My guess is because jones returned to the same boy he was sitting with earlier  he marked him as easy target and scammed somewhat.

[Boy69]

Thanks for the report jones that only convinced me that I am right to avoid BKK every time I come to Thailand and go straight to Pattaya or Phuket for boys .

In your case I assume it was a scam between the boy and the mamasan to rip you off this why he asked for 4000 baht to split this amount with the mamasn who closed the deal.

I always taking only 100 precent gay boys I know who is gay and who is 'gay for pay' after short chating and their body language .only once I took straight boy although I knew it because he was stunning and guess what ? He was lousy in bed and can perform anything .I learnt my lesson.

[Guest Promsak]

I wonder how many of the Vietnamese boys get return bookings.

[DivineMadman]

Sorry to hear about the bad experience.  Certainly in my experience it's not the norm for BKK or I believe Screwboys.  I have a little concern that Screwboys hires some of the younger guys (19 or so) and so there might be guys who are in it to scam.  

 

It does seem that a lot of the guys from Vietnam identify as straight/top only.  As Paulsf points out, they do a good business so there's clearly a very satisfied market for that.  (There are also a lot of Thai, Cambodian, Burmese and other straight/top only guys as well.)  There are definitely gay guys from Vietnam in BKK.  Some are more or less reluctantly vers and some are true enthusiastic bottoms, trust me, but maybe they're just harder to find and might require some time to cultivate.  

 

Clearly if someone told you Bangkok had lots of cute Vietnamese bottoms they done steered you wrong.  I had not heard that there were a lot in Pattaya either, but if there are then that's probably the place to go.

 

I doubt that there was a conspiracy between the guy and the mamasan.  The mamasans basically go with what the guys tell them they will and won't do, and unless the mamasan hears otherwise, that's that.  If the mamasan was in cahoots with the guy then they would have quoted you the higher price up front.  Sounds like your guy was a smooth operator, so he could just as well have been playing the mamasan as he tried to play you.  

 

I am in the camp that has not had a negative experience with guys from Vietnam - or put affirmatively, I've had great experiences with guys from Vietnam  I've off'd, travelled with or had massages from.  But for me the country they're from is just something interesting to talk with them about.  Fortunately I find guys from all over the region attractive.  

[Guest]

I wonder how many of the Vietnamese boys get return bookings.

Probably very few, but if it's Bangkok and they have a constant stream of fresh customers to scam, maybe they can string the whole charade out for a year or two. Then get some other cute Vietnamese boy in.

 

This wouldn't work in Sunee Plaza as the proportion of regular customers is higher (I estimate).

 

The big challenge is how to spread the word & prevent this scam continuing. After all, if they can get 2000 baht for nothing, why bother getting ****ed for 1500-2000.

 

If I do venture in there next month I shall consider checking IDs before sitting with any of them, to avoid Vietnamese, based on a track record of them in Bangkok.

[vinapu]

Again , I think we are extrapolating too much based on that unfortunate incident. While it's true that Vietnamese boys were reported unfavorably  few times , even in this very thread in  experienced contributors are standing to their defense.

 

In Sept in Toyboys I saw another Vietnamese boy who was recommended to me by few posters as well  commented  glowingly on various forums quite recently. Not my type , I recognized him immediately, smiled and tipped. 

 

While personally I have very limited experience with Vietnamese boys and can't say it was memorable experience , I wouldn't be tempted at all to paint all of them with then same brush. This goes with any nationality in the region, for example I have good reason to complain about Cambodian massage boys ( at least 4 not very good, all in Pattaya )  but only have good word to say about Cambodian go-gos.

 

Boy in the story  did not deliver because he was poor service provider , not because he was Vietnamese IMNSHO.

 

The same logic applies to bars and massage places. My worst off was from Dreamboys but can't say a bad word about bar because one of my best I still remember fondly 4 years later almost to the day was also from there.

 

On positive note my best boy ever was from Screwboys and I never had bad experience with Lao boy but as we can see here others may be of very opposite opinion.backed on THEIR experience.

[vinapu]

.  Some ....................are just harder to find and might require some time to cultivate.  

 

 

this is my experience with quite a few  boys and one I recall with smile.

 

If boy knows you better, chances are that he starts liking you more or at least realizes that you tip better for being more accommodating  and he may be willing to behave more to specification, whatever it is. And they even may do it with gusto 

[vinapu]

I always taking only 100 precent gay boys I know who is gay and who is 'gay for pay' after short chating and their body language .only once I took straight boy although I knew it because he was stunning and guess what ? He was lousy in bed and can perform anything .I learnt my lesson.

again , you extrapolating too much.

 

My experience and  I have a bit,  is very opposite. More 'gay for pay' he is , better performance he delivers.

 

It doesn't mean one of us is wrong and another right. It may depend on our personalities more than boy's. 

 

Gay feminine twink  may sense that my smiles are fake and may feel apprehensive and develop ' fuck you ' attitude. Straight boy   may detect with 6th  sense that he is not your type and will go through the motions thinking about escape and cashing in ASAP.

 

Like one of boys often mentioned in my reports once commented: " I can do everything but don't like customer touching my cock  in the bar". He is not shy and judging by his popularity , not in wrong job either. He just likes to take things slowly , perfect fit for me but may not be other , more impatient types. But others may find me boring with all that waiting for final distributing of tip and run away.    

[Jasper]

I am sorry to hear that OP had a bad experience with a Vietnamese boy.

However I am a little surprised OP believed everything what the boy said basically a sales talk to him in the bar.

 

An avid reader of the late Rush’s blog would recall that most gogoboys would say “ I’d do anything” but all it means “anything straight man would do” or “anything within my limit”

[Boy69]

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I doubt that there was a conspiracy between the guy and the mamasan. The mamasans basically go with what the guys tell them they will and won't do, and unless the mamasan hears otherwise, that's that. If the mamasan was in cahoots with the guy then they would have quoted you the higher price up front. Sounds like your guy was a smooth operator, so he could just as well have been playing the mamasan as he tried to play you.

 

 

It was a scam because the mamasn assured him that the boy is versatile and will do everything and it turned to be a lie.

Further more the boy said he could stay longer but 'forgot' to mention that the OP will have to pay extra for this.

[Guest]

1 Vietnamese Boys In Bangkok

There have been several reports of Vietnamese boys operating in Bangkok who choose not to Perform.

My first experience was at a host bar in Soi Twilight.  Very cute lads, but they had to communicate via phone translation, so were not great hosts.  Then it turned out they would not kiss, not suck, not f*ck and the offer was hand relief for about 2500 baht. Needless to say, I left.

 

Bear in mind, the Vietnamese bar boys in Bangkok will probably be in contact with each other, so if they all know money can be made by scamming fresh clients, perhaps they are happy to do that. 

I don't recall reading positive reports about Vietnamese boys in Bangkok here, but perhaps that is selective amnesia & someone will post links to those shortly.   There are of course people with boyfriends from Vietnam, so some must be willing.

 

2 The only time I can remember having a Vietnamese boy in my hotel room was in Singapore, the year the yellow shirts shut BKK. I don't remember it well, but think he did enough.

Despite smaller populations, I have met many people from Laos & Cambodia, usually with good success.

 

3  There have been many discussions on mamasans here, but it has frequently been said they will make whatever promises are necessary to negotiate a sale & are not to be trusted.    I'm certainly in that camp of not trusting them & try to negotiate everything without a mamasan. 

I've seen them make promises, then at the same time, it's clear the boy is much less enthusiastic about what is being promised.

 

One of my friends has got tired of boys making excuses about his c*ck being too big & renaging on deals to bottom.   So he get's the mamasan to confirm with the boy that he will bottom.    If the boy hesitates, that's a no.   Then he gets the mamasan to confirm there's no tip if he doesn't bottom & the boy needs to agree to that & repeat it back.   That's a good way of flushing out people who will not be honest, by making promises which will not be kept.

 

I think this would be the way to deal with Screwboys Vietnamese lads.

[paulsf]

Z909 if you’ll just read back thru this thread you’ll see several of us don’t have the same problems several of you guys have.

Maybe some of you have bad negotiation skills. But if I ran into as many lies and scams as Boy69 does, I’d stop coming to Bangkok.

I’m going to continue to have fun and not worry about stuff that I don’t see happening. It’s not a perfect world, but I don’t see it as an organized attempt to scam everyone that posts here.

[Guest jones]

I'm not so sure that the Mamassan was in on a scam as if he was I'm sure he would have let me go home with the guy I was very keen on at first.

 

I feel it was more down to the boy. I think he was number 37!

 

What more can one do if I am told he is gay, he spoke good enough English, he said he can bottom, he said 2000bht for 2 hour 3 hour 5 hour. There is not much more that could have been agreed!

 

The simple fact of it is that the guy was lying and is not even gay as it states on his Facebook!

[Guest jones]

So maybe from now on if I state in the bar that if the boy can not bottom I will not pay, would this work?

 

I've had a guy from Pattaya a couple of years ago that would no perform at all! I asked him to leave to which he replied he wanted his money! He refused to leave and started screaming in my hotel room. Eventually I said I will pay 500bht and you go, which he agreed to.

 

I'm not sure there is a solution to a guy selling himself as a gay bottom which can do anything but is actually lying.

[Guest]

Z909 if you’ll just read back thru this thread you’ll see several of us don’t have the same problems several of you guys have.

Maybe some of you have bad negotiation skills..

I have no problems with Thai, Laos, Cambodian, Burmese & Indonesian lads.

 

I've hardly ever encountered working Vietnamese & the experiences of Vietnamese in Bangkok are of people who have no intention of performing.   Other readers report similar issues.    So that's not a problem with me.

I don't recall reading of satisfied reports of people offing Vietnamese lads working in Bangkok.

 

 

So maybe from now on if I state in the bar that if the boy can not bottom I will not pay, would this work?

The idea is the ones who will not bottom will be scared off and decline in the bar. So you are saved from offing them, so no bad scenes in the hotel. I hear it works, but you really need to stress it & get the point across..

I don't use this one, since I have slightly more flexible requirements & most satisfy them.

 

My friend who does use it is a close reliable friend and I've never seen a boy decline a chance for a repeat off with him.  This suggests he's fair.  

[DivineMadman]

I think it is absolutely fair for you to make clear at the bar with the guy and the mamasan that if he doesn't bottom then no tip.  You can even say you've had bad experiences before so it's very important everyone understands.  plug it into google translate and show it to the guy in his local language.  

[ChristianPFC]

...one Vietnamese boy was absolutely stunning...

 

I spoke to the Mamassan who assured me he was the one Vietnamese boy that could do anything at all! "This boy is good, be can top he can bottom he can massage he can everything" I was told.

 

I spoke to the boy to confirm this and he agreed he can do "anything" whilst massaging my leg.

 

The boy repeatedly said he can stay with me for 2 hour 3 hour 5 hour up to me, as long as I was happy he was happy because he likes me.

And there I was, expecting the first ever positive report of sex with a Vietnamese boy!

 

Don't blame Screwboys as a bar, blame the boy, or even Vietnamese boys in general. If you have to blame Screwboys, blame them for hiring Vietnamese boys. But that will not deter me from going there again some day, just watch out who looks Vietnamese (no proof, but on my last visit there were three boys who were cute but looked Vietnamese, and who were chatting among each other, so I assumed they are Vietnamese). If in doubt, ask mamasan and tell her of my previous experience as a reason not to take Vietnamese boys.

 

It seems we hear pretty consistently that Vietnamese guys cannot or will not perform even the most vanilla sex. Burmese, Laotian, and Cambodian guys seem to me to much gentler and obliging. Would others agree?

I said it before, my score is the following:

2 Vietnamese money boys both disappointing (for fairness, I had a Vietnamese boy for free in Bangkok and one in Saigon, and both were ok, so the problem is just the money boys)

>5 Lao boys all better than the Thai

>5 Khmer boys all better than the Thai

>5 Myanmar boys all better than the Thai

about 50 Thai boys full range from poor to good

[Guest jones]

Oh yes I definitely put it down to the boy and would certainly return to screw boys. It had the best atmosphere out of all of the other bars i went in and the boys are more my type.

 

As for Vietnamese in BKK I will perhaps avoid them in the future.

 

I have a Vietnamese boy in Saigon who I adore, the sex is free and great!

 

I would say that khmer, Laos and Myanmar boys are definitely more eager to please and rarely disappoint compared to some of my Thai experiences.

[vinapu]

I've had a guy from Pattaya a couple of years ago that would no perform at all! I asked him to leave to which he replied he wanted his money! He refused to leave and started screaming in my hotel room. Eventually I said I will pay 500bht and you go, which he agreed to.

 

 

exactly what I had with Dreamboy boy back in Nov 2013 but he was greedy and wanted 1500 to leave , kicked out with 1000 to keep world peace

[Guest]

1 Where are the reports of people satisfied with their Vietnamese off in Bangkok ?

 

2 Paying non performers a multiple of the Thai min wage to leave your room will only encourage them to repeat the behaviour. In Berlin, I just sent someone head first out of my appartment door when he refused to leave (after refusing all service).

Although it is the fairest respinse, I don't think it's a good idea to do that in Thailand. Thankfully it's hardly ever a problem in Thailand. The last case was about 5 years ago, the signs were there in the bar, but I ignored them. I paid 500.