Somewhat dry rainy season - Thailand trip of Sept 2017

[vinapu]

OMG you do over pay anywhere you go ,I am screaming just now .lol. your major mistake is that you're thinking in your home country level costs but you are in Thailand! The average salary here is 10k to 15k baht so you pay the boy a huge amount of money especially for a Pattaya average off,I don't care what you are willing to do with your money but the problem for all other falangs is when big spenders like you coming to Pattaya bars the boys become more gready and the rates go up and up.If you stick to 2000-2500 Bhat for example and be firm with 'take it or leave it'

approach the boy would certainly agree and if not there are plenty other boys that will take the offer gladly.

 

 

I'm glad I created  a bit of controversy to enliven the thread. I try to answer to some concerns expressed. First to make clear , on day 6 my tip was 4000 not 4000 on top of 3000 agreed originally and 1000 was fair extension price for 3 hrs more.

 

Way I look at the issue is that in order to economize I'm offing too many "also run" boys. I don't whore in my country , stopped it when discovered Thailand and can't care what salary in LOS is. 

 

If boys present  reasonable request  I pay it, if they seem to be too demanding I try to bargain it down  in one stroke,  as you suggest, either he accepts my offer or me his counteroffer if any. Prolonged haggling would take all fun out of it for me.

 

Other farangs problem is not mine , as you noticed there's  plenty fish in the sea and they , like me,  have option of economize or paying what boys are attempting  to suck out of them.

 

Boys I like, hunky and muscly are somewhat rarer species and they see it , tend to know their worth.

 

Sure I can stand firm by 2000-2500 offer with  take or leave  approach but I don't fly through half the world to make even.  If I like the man,  I like to take him home , not upset myself by having my offer  rejected or upset him by being cheap . This may affect his performance and  I rather have boy clinging to me than save say 1000  and hear at 5.30  that he needs to go home - stay tune for day 8 report to get a taste.

 

I'm not sure I was explicit enough but boy I happily offed on my first night this trip , in May  of 2015 left me empty handed in middle of the bar to go with other client even if I accepted his 3500 request for long time , at that time it was 500 more then I EVER paid in Thailand and I was in process of paying off fee to take him out. So it's not like every boy accepts always even very generous offer. Market works both ways.

 

I was fortunate to catch up with vinapu on three nights.

I suggest vinapu not start with the apps as he might go into overload. He’s quite a flirt and the boys obviously like him.

 

 we both were fortunate, it was fun.

 

I take your advice on apps, not planning, knowing me I'd spent too much time   glued to the screen, I'm weak when comes to male beauty. 

 

I'm not short on self-esteem but your last sentence made my day if not the  whole week, Thank you very much !!!

 

.... giving an occasional boy a large tip simply reinforces good service..... 

 

.....The reverse is also true. If you give the same crap tip no matter how good the boy is, you teach the boys that they may as well do a crap job because the money is the same no matter what.....

specially if you met boy already before. Almost universally if you tipped him well next meeting will be better and next one even  better still.

 

second sentence brings to light matter rarely discussed here and good you brought it to the light, why bother if pay is the same.

 

It's why usually at beginning of massage or when I enter room with the boy I make sure I hug them tightly for a few minutes to signal I'm not just into standard motions. And believe me , it's usually me who releases the grip , not the boy. 

 

1.plus muscular boy has been demanding higher prices anyway, and they are becoming rare now if you are being picky like me (not too big, must be ripped, not too flabby, but want bubble butt, not too dark but want them to be manly, handsome model like)

 

2.Also, they know that they can get much more from some customers (some even get motorcycles, iphones, expensive watches) that are worth way more than what vinapu gives in cash, but they also realize that such customer is also rare.

1. this is in plain view, I visited many bars  this trip and in most of them  there were boys nice to look at and give them tip just for looks but not offing material for me unless  desperate or adventurous  / I like to take home twink from time to time just for sake of comparison, Dit from Arena , boy I met more than everybody else is not hunky at all / 

 

You criteria  / minus black , I like dark smooth skin / are exactly mine but relax if we ever are in the bar at the same time, I'm not competitive at all and have no problem yielding but be warned, I tend to act fast if I see what i like.

 

2. this trip I witnessed twice  Jupiter boys given 1000 baht tips by Chinese ladies just for being on the stage. As for motorcycle I was even given a ride to Hualampong on such a gift boy I offed got from client / lady again, looks that we guys are losing it to ladies / 

 

 consistently paying very high rates seems very odd to me...... if he was a little bit more careful with his money he could save a lot and receive very well service from the boys.

you cutting me short , LOL

look at LT rates so far, night 1, 2 and 6- 4000 , night 3 -0, night 4-2000, night 5-2000 / 500 more than boy wanted but look when he left ! /

[vinapu]

Maybe you right muscular boys are not my type so maybe they're more expensive I personally prefer 18-22 yo slim twinks with boyish look ....

and to be honest they are everywhere while hunks are hard to spot and some of them are overdoing it making them less attractive even to me. To put things in perspective , out of couple dozen of boys in BBB I found  4 worth the sin and expenditure, 2 offed,  2 just tipped, rest must wait 

 

 I never suggest a price beforehand and only agree one with the guy if they bring it up.

  I like to clear money matters in advance due to experience. Once offed LT boy I dealt with and his friends before so assumed  he knows what I pay . In the morning it turned out he was expecting 2000 more than I gave him, unless good actor he seemed sincere in his surprise. I stand my ground but did not like that commotion greed vs. cheap so now I'd not leave  a bar  without clearing compensation.

 

One of boys this trip when asked how much he wants answered  "I will tell you in the room " , I did not take a bait and told him what he will get.

 

I tried to off a pornstar 

it will be a pornstar this trip as well , stay tuned

[vinapu]

1000-1500 ST and 1500-2500 LT.I never off boys from BKK bars because I know this rates are not acceptable by the boys there 

not necessarily, Dreamboys, Jupiter ot Tawan boys may expect more but rest may be more approachable money-wise, specially boys from soi 6 bars like Super A , Golden Cock and Nature Boys. Also beer bar boys from soi Twilight bars will not be greedy I guess and some of them are very likable.

[vinapu]

. I have to admit that i couldn't massage his body long enough before letting my hand ran wild to other part instead lol.

relax , he would do to so you being even handed

[vinapu]

 Boy69: it's worth to mention, that Vinapu started this report with words "my 16th trip to Thailand" - so being there 16 times he really knows his ways there

 

yes and no,

 

I still make bad choices but I think it's part of fun, after all we are dealing with real people who have their good and bad days as well and only part of us they like may be our money

[1moRussian]

And what about presents this trip? Will be them reported as well?

 

[vinapu]

And what about presents this trip? Will be them reported as well?

 

 

not at all, no gifts given , neither forced to  nor good hearted.

 

One with motorbike asking for helmet  while ago was not working in the bar this time, but his friends from BBB filled void very nicely I haste to say.

[Jasper]

I dug out 1000 baht from pocket , gave to him and his face freeze for a second with an expression not even anger but big disappointment or who knows what but I did not torment him longer than 1.5 seconds and told him he will get what was promised in a moment as I have more money in the box.

 

 

Surely a Kodak moment. lol

Vinapu, you are a tease. Poor guy.

[spoon]

2 Boy69: it's worth to mention, that Vinapu started this report with words "my 16th trip to Thailand" - so being there 16 times he really knows his ways there

 

2 Spoon: we could have problems, visiting a bar or massage shop together "not too big, must be ripped, not too flabby, but want bubble butt, not too dark but want them to be manly, handsome model like".

Although, being an orang putih (a white skin Russian), I am quite OK with "too dark", if all others qualities are in place. So I can take those, who darker

 

I am quite picky on the look too but more forgiving on the skin, if all other things are in place. The Indonesian MB i told u about ticked all of those in the list and more lol

[spoon]

You criteria / minus black , I like dark smooth skin / are exactly mine but relax if we ever are in the bar at the same time, I'm not competitive at all and have no problem yielding but be warned, I tend to act fast if I see what i like.

 

My strategy with you vinapu will be taking the non-smilling one or take them before u can extract a smile from them hahaha. Kidding aside, it would be interesting to see if we both like same boy, ask the boy to sit in the middle between us and then ask him to choose which customer he wants, u or me lol turning the table to the boy for once haha. Of course the boy must not have been off by u or me before and i surely think ill lose in tawan give your reputation there lol

[vinapu]

Surely a Kodak moment. lol

Vinapu, you are a tease. Poor guy.

it was not my intention to torment him , it just happened

[vinapu]

Kidding aside, it would be interesting to see if we both like same boy, ask the boy to sit in the middle between us and then ask him to choose which customer he wants, 

no , this would be unfair to the boy as it would force him to lose face

 

but I'd like to to some bar hopping with you at one time 

[vinapu]

Day 7

 

Today a bit cooler and cloudy day. Noonish walk along Beach Rd but last night tiring tasks got to me , returned to hotel for 2 hours nap. Age shows thought I but can’t figure better reason to feel tired.

 

One of Ambiance massage boys is parking himself daily just in front of exit from my hotel and accosting me for a massage. Not a bad looking boy so I decided to give him a chance to clear displeasure of  one of his co-workers , quite hunky so I placed him in line as well. Ambiance,  like all massages in the soi is collecting boy’s minimum tip of 500 up front, I mentioned that and repeat because for uninformed 900 / hr. massage fee may seem to be very steep.

 

Massage was Ok, perhaps even quite good and volcanic eruption at the end , certainly biggest I have seen in a good while warranted doubling his tip plus some more.

 

As soi was coming to life again I sat down  at Oscars to talk with boys over beer , this become my routine. Of course one offed previous night was showing some faces over being bypassed last night , clear disadvantage of whoring in the soi where everything is noticed and perhaps commented but  I’m prepared for that and take it with humor.

 

When comes to worst , red note will help to smooth things but at end of day it’s clearly visible that boys are used to be bypassed , that’s nature of working in entertainment position. I always buy them a drink , spoiling them perhaps but if I have fun , let them have some too. At one point one talkative reminded me casually that boys are working for money i.e. to indicate subtly that drink is fine but they expect tip as well.

 

Warmed up by visit to Sunee last night with aussie_  I decided to check on Good Boys tonight and walked there , using shortcut past hindu temple in the first soi after baht bus stop it’s only 6 minutes from BT.

 

Few boys were on duty , none standing out but what frosted  me a bit  was 500 quotation for the show , quite a hike to usual 300. It doesn’t mean  more expense for me , just less fun as I have routine going there always armed with  1600, 600 for drinks and 1000 for tips. Anyways grabbed two  with instruction of one by one performance and while first one was  quite mechanical , was at least well equipped and delivered ! Second one was better , much more passionate choice and only fact that funds on me were limited as stated stopped me from taking him short time somewhere. His girlfriend must be very happy to have such a tool at her disposal I guess.

 

 It was another one lurking beside clearly did not get message that I’m underfunded because of rise of ticket price and shoot his load anyways  but his reward was paltry 150 leftover after I paid for 3 drinks at 150  each.. I felt a bit bad but on another hand I did not invite nor engage him so it was all volunteer work on his part.  

 

So this time expected good time with good boys of Good Boys   turned out to be kind of so-so but at least I did my part to support them in their hour of low season need. Walked around the plaza as always but also as always nobody even remotely interesting  for me in that twink kingdom Sunee Plaza is. Wait , it was one exception in some bar roughly across from Winners, quite hunky and massive but since my funds were depleted I did not stop by anyways but even for me there’s hope in Sunee I guess.

 

Returned to the room , armed myself with wad  of notes and went about grand tour of BT bars as is was Saturday after all. Prisma , very classy décor perhaps best of them all but only few boys , two warranting departing tip of 100 but none creating long lone desire Only one other client but when I entered party of 5 was just leaving without  a boy .  ABomb , same same , 6 boys , all twinks, one tip , 2 more customers.

 

It used to have more hunky boys but at least today it was just twink , twink , twink. Leaving bar I noticed one of BBB  boys sitting in front of bar on motorcycle , talking to one of the boys. I took notice since he is one of  their boy I pay close attention to but can’t extract a smile from. Not for much longer though as we will see.

 

 Passing by Copa I checked if Ko, another fine specimen from there is on duty as we were supposed to have LT engagement tonight but he was  no show so I decided on Cupidol, never been in their new location. Another well appointed and spacious bar , quite well patronized tonight, few boys sitting with customers. Several more on the stage vying for business but again nothing for me although ever inclined to act charitable I called one of the boys, bought him a drink and allowed myself few  indecent touches just to give myself excuse to tip him.

 

At 11 p.m. they advertised show at Castro so I went , house was packed , lots of straight couples . Show nothing special but entertaining with lots of energy  so drink money and a time well spent. Some lip synch singers really funny, recommended to drop by. Finished past midnight , too early so time for an immense in the known and unknown – back to BBB.

 

Show was over , boys were on the display , second from right was Art, one I saw few hours ago in front off  ABomb. He is veteran there , hunky with funny hair style and stands out because his very white skin. Stare is blank when I try to catch an eye contact but I have cure for that, dug out 100 baht and went to tip him. Wai was high and not long after I returned to my seat, perhaps in 25 seconds he turned out toward me and beamed THAT smile. Then we are almost home , waved him over. He did not want long time  because his friend and my companion from last night warned  him about sleepless night but ‘till 4 OK “ was  quoted and accepted with my internal smile of  “finally nailed” type.

 

No boy drink , 500 off fee, requested tip of 2000, plenty for Pattaya but not for this kind of specimen so no qualms to agree and soon after we trek across the soi to the room passing by knowing smile of reception girl ( I think she is ladyboy but who cares , smiled nicely). He must be well known as she  did not bother with ID request.

 

I tried to convince him that 4 is ghost hour and he better stay till breakfast but his mind was made up but other than that one can’t ask for more. Muscular , very smooth body, good conversational English and knowing well why he was engaged, one of those straights with wife you wonder how really straight they are. In short an absolute gem as far as I can see

 

. What surprised me was great massage skill , I asked if he went to school but he said that he just learned by trying. Certainly one of the best I ever had with fast and long stokes I so like. No way this will be my last with him . He even wanted to come during day tomorrow but I had some plans and so did he and we couldn’t fix agreeable time so it was decided to see what evening brings.

 

Second night in row in nirvana thanks to BBB boys , not as intensive as last one because of shorter time but life is good thought I falling asleep  in order to finish day 7 by waking up alone at 10.00 am.    

[spoon]

no , this would be unfair to the boy as it would force him to lose face

 

but I'd like to to some bar hopping with you at one time

What if the boy choose both of us lol

[aussie_]

In the evening small forum meeting at Oscars. From posts here I suspected that there are few members in Pattaya at that time so sent few PM’s asking if they are willing to shake hands with disclaimer that no offence will be taken if they are not interested for whatever reason. Some prefer to be anonymous , others may not like me or my posts , others still may have better idea of vacation fun that meeting with farangs.

 

Williewillie and aussie_ were interested so we arranged for highest level meeting this evening.

 

It gave me a chance to reveal to williewiliie that we were already sitting beside each other 2 days ago and we had a good laugh. Nice conversation over beers and coffee and then aussie_ and me took off to Alt Heidelberg for a dinner and from there to Sunee to survey some bars.

 

While I’m not into twinks at all, I like bar hopping and am not averse to see what other side like aussie_ likes . At least it’s sure thing we will not be fighting about the same boy.

I’m not aiming at anybody but at times I’m surprised when people are talking how unsightly Tawan boys are while at the same time admitting they never put foot inside. At least I know what others like and are fond of.

 

Nice Boys were pretty busy with few boys on stage presenting their wares already and willing to show more for a consideration so few tips were distributed. After while we changed scenery to Winners , bar I never was in previously. Less busy than Nice boys with few in the audience and cheapest drinks in industry at 75 baht so for 1000 baht one may have quite a party there.

Again, like in Nice Boys quite a few boys nice to look at but none I’d even remotely consider taking home unless very pressed for company but I realize that many would say the same about boys I’m salivating about. As said many times before none is better or wiser and such diversity helps to keep all kinds of boys occupied.

 

Then we decided to see show at XBoys so marched back to BT. Nothing new with show but I think they toned down volume of music thanks heaven . Boy I offed 2 nights ago smiled immediately perhaps hoping for repeat but I had other designs for tonight although not sure it will work. After we left I walked aussie_ to a Jomtien baht bus stop, thank you again for a lovely company and an interesting evening , quite diversified in entertainment

I have returned to Alt Heidelberg three times since you left and introduced another friend to their delicious Wiener Schnitzel. The boss should look after you for finding new customers next time you visit Pattaya.

 

Even though not your style i am sure some of the twinks at Nice Boys and Winner bar were saved from starvation that night with your attendance. Maybe an illusion but I do believe i saw a twink sitting on your lap? Of course, just to be sociable on your behalf with no hunks in sight.

 

Thank you for a very enjoyable evening, a long time since i have visited BBB and X Boys. I can appreciate some of their physique but no new motorcycles from me. I did observe one of the smaller and lean muscle 6 pack guys arriving for work at BBB two nights ago and showing everyone his expensive and powerful looking new bike. So the boys are doing nicely with that bar full of customers most nights.

[Boy69]

Yes BBB is doing fine large selection of boys, good show ,nice ambiance and prime location. The best go go bar in Thailand .

[ct2005]

...  waved him over. He did not want long time  because his friend and my companion from last night warned  him about sleepless night but ‘till 4 OK “ was  quoted and accepted with my internal smile of  “finally nailed” type.

 

How to get enjoy a good/eventful LT off with boy and at the same time have a good night of sleep? I am not sure if it can be achieved.

 

I like the idea of LT off with a hunky man by my side & to wake up to. But if the boy has a day job and has to leave at a certain hour, I always wonder would it be too demanding to have another round (albeit a more tone-down version) in the morning. From what I read, it does happen if the boy is of the twink type. Most probably, it will not happen for hunky type of boys.

[Boy69]

I wonder if taking a boy after midnight and he leaves at 4 am can be consider as LT at all, I would pay ST for such kind of service.

 

I think Vinapu is very kind person with really a good heart and the boys are taking advantage on this .

[vinapu]

What if the boy choose both of us lol

we toss the coin who goes first , I'm not big fan of crowded beds. LOL

[spoon]

Making a mental note of keow, art for my future reference.

Seems like bbb is the pattaya version of dreamboys. Lots of hunky type boys lots of customers and expensives as well lol. But i do believe they know their customer well, hence their price albeit expensive to some, seems reasonable to others. U cant expect to pay honda price and want a ferrari performance right? Lol

[rollingstone]

One of Ambiance massage boys is parking himself daily just in front of exit from my hotel and accosting me for a massage. Not a bad looking boy so I decided to give him a chance to clear displeasure of  one of his co-workers , quite hunky so I placed him in line as well. Ambiance,  like all massages in the soi is collecting boy’s minimum tip of 500 up front, I mentioned that and repeat because for uninformed 900 / hr. massage fee may seem to be very steep.

 

 Are you saying Ambiance Massage (called bbb massage or something?) and copa massage are now collecting a 500 baht minimum tips for the boy? I only recall Scandic collects a full fee upfront (from memory it was 1400 b presumbly 400-500 is for the house and the rest goes to the masseur) but admittedly have not tried bbb or copa massages for a while. Can't say I like the system as I wonder whether the shops 'exploit' the boys and extract more money meant for the boys.

[rollingstone]

Yes BBB is doing fine large selection of boys, good show ,nice ambiance and prime location. The best go go bar in Thailand .

Good show, good ambiance yes; perfect for having a drink or two during show times. Could be quite busy during first show. Have to confess I have never offed anyone from BBB though.

[rollingstone]

Returned to the room , armed myself with wad  of notes and went about grand tour of BT bars as is was Saturday after all. Prisma , very classy décor perhaps best of them all but only few boys , two warranting departing tip of 100 but none creating long lone desire Only one other client but when I entered party of 5 was just leaving without  a boy .  ABomb , same same , 6 boys , all twinks, one tip , 2 more customers.

 

Show was over , boys were on the display , second from right was Art, one I saw few hours ago in front off  ABomb. He is veteran there , hunky with funny hair style and stands out because his very white skin. Stare is blank when I try to catch an eye contact but I have cure for that, dug out 100 baht and went to tip him. Wai was high and not long after I returned to my seat, perhaps in 25 seconds he turned out toward me and beamed THAT smile.

 

ABomb twinks?Mmmm... making a mental note to check it out next time I am in town.

 

Good strategy to attract the attention of a potential off. Yep!

[Boy69]

Good show, good ambiance yes; perfect for having a drink or two during show times. Could be quite busy during first show. Have to confess I have never offed anyone from BBB though.

Neither do I .too expensive. I buy a drink before the show and if I stay for the second one I buy another that's it.Never bought drinks for boys or making an off but I tip the show boys well if the show is good .

[Boy69]

ABomb twinks?Mmmm... making a mental note to check it out next time I am in town.

 

Good strategy to attract the attention of a potential off. Yep!

At my last trip on July I noticed that the most attractive

Boys at BT were from A bomb .