Toyboys Pattaya off fee

[ChristianPFC]

Off the boy, bring them out, talk to them, make small talk and get to know them, flirt with them, if you are with a farang friend make an effort to all chat together and find mutually interesting topics to talk about.

 

You will be rewarded with sex two three times as good as the "booked Prostitute" waiting for their next customer for sex

 

I'm going to gogo bars and take boys out from there so I NOT have to do the above recommended.

However, most are so-so in bed, so you might have a point.

Even with speaking Thai better than most of them speak English, there is little common ground.

[Travellerdave]

I prefer my system of picking up boy later to dragging him through the bars as bar boys rarely are interested in being in another bar so not much fun for them and more expenses / extra drink  / and less freedom for you

 

It would seem that the majority in this thread, including myself, prefer the "pay off and return later". The motive here would be to secure the boy early, who would be probably one of the more attractive ones in the bar and hence likely to be offed, without the boredom of him accompanying you until your preferred bedtime. There is of course the risk that he does a short time or cums in the bar and so reduces his performance in bed, which would be very annoying for for me, as although I'm versatile I generally like the boy to fuck me first.

Maybe now in the low season there is not the necessity to secure your boy early if there are fewer customers about. I'm due in Pats 5 September so maybe I will off late.

[vinapu]

Maybe now in the low season there is not the necessity to secure your boy early if there are fewer customers about. 

even in lowest of low season it may be another patron who will like the same boy you do so I'd still secure an access to my dreams

[a447a]

The "pay off and return later" only works if :

 

1) the boy tells his customers that he will be unavailable

2) the boy agrees not to cum beforehand

 

So for me, it only works with guys I know really well and can trust. Hence, I only do it with regulars who I off every night over a long period of time.

[numazu]

Actually I have two cases of this (sort of), both in my recent trip report, and both in the same night. In both cases I paid them off early in the night at 10 PM.

 

Case 1: Pay Off and Off Now - it was the Korean at Jupiter. It was necessary to off him the minute I got in the club at 9:30 PM because

 

1) He was by far the most popular boy in the bar that night

2) A lot of customers were calling on him already, but for some reason they could not close the deal

3) He goes home at 12 midnight to go to his second job at 6 AM, so one had to off him early

 

In this case, the Korean, one of the stars of the bar, really delivered, and had a wonderful one hour and a half with him. In retrospect I could've done these:

 

1) Went to the bar at 8:30 PM where I could've offed him then and spent 4 hours with him

2) Went to his second work the next day and bought his merchandise

3) Offed him on a day he wasn't working both jobs (which was two days later actually) and could have saved an off fee, and long timed him for sure. Shag all day, rinse and repeat.

 

Oh well. Next time I guess.

 

Case 2: Pay Off and Return Later - this was MonBoy, on the same night I offed Korean, and I wanted him for long time because Korean couldn't.

 

1) It was necessary for him to be Pay Off and Return Later because he was another star of the bar, and was in many dance numbers in Jupiter

2) He could not be offed till 12 midnight, when the shower show ended.

3) The scheme of returning later also works if you off a first boy early in the night, which in this case fit perfectly with offing Korean.

 

Why it didn't work? The risks of this scheme:

 

1) As being one of the stars, there is the risk of someone offing him while you are away. Of course someone did off him for short time after I left. The customer left as well, to wait on MonBoy to finish his shower show.

2) Since he could not be offed before 12 midnight, he has to cut into my time to go to his short time off.

3) He had to cum on his short time off, which should be an issue. But in this case it wasn't. He was hard all night when he was finally with me, and came buckets as well. But he is 21 years old so he is supposed to do that.

 

Moral of the story: if you want to off someone early, and you don't want them to mingle with others, just pay them off, have them to go with you, have dinner, have drinks, go to DJ, eat street food, watch a movie, and then go to your hotel and shag like rabbits. Or shag first and then do all those other things and then shag again. This is what I did on my second night with MonBoy. Lots of shagging and other things. I recommend it wholeheartedly.

[JimmyJoe]

There have been so many interesting contributions here.

Just to wend back momentarily to the ToyBoys off tip expectations, as the OP. I went back to ToyBoys last night. It was full of eager boys. Three or four to my taste. I bought one boy a drink, Cambodian, and I mean drop dead gorgeous, perfect muscle twink body (again, question of personal taste). When he said he wanted 2000 st 3000 lt. I said 2000 lt, until at least nine a.m. Period. He was unhappy. I just started scanning the room and smiling at all the boys who were waving, etc. at me, totally prepared to take one of them. My boy quickly said, yes, yes 2000 lt.

He ended up even more beautiful dressed, if that’s possible. Performed wonderfully back in my room and hung around til noon. I had to push him out the door.

 

[Guest samebb]

There have been so many interesting contributions here.

 

Just to wend back momentarily to the ToyBoys off tip expectations, as the OP. I went back to ToyBoys last night. It was full of eager boys. Three or four to my taste. I bought one boy a drink, Cambodian, and I mean drop dead gorgeous, perfect muscle twink body (again, question of personal taste). When he said he wanted 2000 st 3000 lt. I said 2000 lt, until at least nine a.m. Period. He was unhappy. I just started scanning the room and smiling at all the boys who were waving, etc. at me, totally prepared to take one of them. My boy quickly said, yes, yes 2000 lt.

 

He ended up even more beautiful dressed, if that’s possible. Performed wonderfully back in my room and hung around til noon. I had to push him out the door.

 

 

 

I was in Toy Boys 3 nights ago. A real let down from what it used to be back in Feb. I found Prisma to be a lot better during this low season. 

There was 1 boy in Cupidol who was stunning but the new mamasan was pissing me off and wouldn't fuck off. I drank up and walked out. Their loss. 

[vinapu]

. When he said he wanted 2000 st 3000 lt. I said 2000 lt, until at least nine a.m. Period. He was unhappy. I just started scanning the room and smiling at all the boys who were waving, etc. at me, totally prepared to take one of them. My boy quickly said, yes, yes 2000 lt.

 

 

it is always the game. Good you stood your ground, after all it looks that he had competitors in the bar. Sometimes is other way around , boy is firm with expectancy and we need to decide to yield or just look for other option. Easy if he is one of many but what to do if he is made of our dreams ?. Some of us  will stick to their offer , others, myself included me be tempted to over pay just to put our hands on him.

 

Bottom line is both sides should be happy with the outcome. No sense to beat boy on price if he will  go with us just out of financial need holding grudge. On another hand frivolous requests should not be encouraged and perhaps dismissed outright even if he comes to his senses.

 

As for us , being too firm may be self defeating at times as we may miss a chance to have great off  and we squandered it for being too rigid.

 

As I said above , always the game

 

There was 1 boy in Cupidol who was stunning but the new mamasan was pissing me off and wouldn't fuck off. I drank up and walked out. Their loss. 

While I understand what you are saying , if boy was stunning why you let mamasan to stand in between? Some are persistent to no end and great nuisance but stunning is stunning, don't let him to be grabbed by somebody with thicker skin.

[Guest samebb]

 

 

While I understand what you are saying , if boy was stunning why you let mamasan to stand in between? Some are persistent to no end and great nuisance but stunning is stunning, don't let him to be grabbed by somebody with thicker skin.

 

I had other options that night. Maybe he would have been better, maybe not. 

 

I will explain more in the trip report. It's all written but I do need to a final read before posting. I do have his line now *through another boy*. I guess I can have him anytime I want now. 

 

 

[1moRussian]

 

[Guest]

When he said he wanted 2000 st 3000 lt. I said 2000 lt, until at least nine a.m. Period. He was unhappy. I just started scanning the room and smiling at all the boys who were waving, etc. at me, totally prepared to take one of them. My boy quickly said, yes, yes 2000 lt.

A perfect example of how to deal with it.

Remember you're in a NEGOTIATION here. He's trying his luck for 3000, if you say no, he always has the chance to lower the price before you walk out the door.

 

Performed wonderfully back in my room and hung around til noon. I had to push him

Proving 2000 was enough. If he's that good, put him on your list for a repeat off.

[vinapu]

I will explain more in the trip report. It's all written but I do need to a final read before posting.

 

we are waiting impatiently for account of your adventures in Pattaya

[a447a]

The worse thing is to let the boys (and mamasans) think you are a newbie.

 

I always tell them I'm a veteran sex tourist - although not in those words! I tell them in Thai how many times I've visited Thailand over the years and that I visit usually 4 times a year. I know what the going rate is and I know the ropes.

 

Sometimes that doesn't deter them from trying it on, but they usually just go through the motions.

 

I don't have a problem with the boys trying to get as much out of me as possible, as if I were in their position I'd be doing exactly the same.

 

If I found a guy who ticked all the boxes but was asking a ridiculously high price, I wouldn't let him go. I'd pay whatever he wants. But those boys are rare indeed and can easily justify the price. I would then have to hope and pray he performed in bed. There is no guarantee included in the package, unfortunately.

 

A number of years ago I was reading an exchange between one of the Belami stars, who freelanced as a money boy, and a disgruntled client. The boy couldn't get it up. But he blamed the client for not knowing how to turn him on.

 

A couple of years ago I travelled to Prague to visit Escape bar on the recommendation of a member of another gay forum. There were some really stunning boys there but the short time price was hundreds of euros. And in the sexy show only one could get hard, so I decided not to bother.

 

Then one night I spotted the man of my dreams! It turns out he was a Czech pornstar and, so I was told, the most popular and expensive boy in the bar. But I had to have him. Just once for the experience and bragging rights back home. YOLO, as they say.

 

But he was permanently booked by two regular customers who turned up every night - he sat with them drinking expensive champagne and then they left.

 

Oh well, he probably wouldn't have been able to get it up in bed. At least that's how I consoled myself.

 

Price is no guarantee of performance.

[JimmyJoe]

I was in Toy Boys 3 nights ago. A real let down from what it used to be back in Feb. I found Prisma to be a lot better during this low season. 

There was 1 boy in Cupidol who was stunning but the new mamasan was pissing me off and wouldn't fuck off. I drank up and walked out. Their loss. 

That has been exactly my experience this trip. Last December /January Cupidol was the place for me. Not so this trip.

 

Dream boys has been good. But lots of straight twinks, and I really do prefer gay. I’ve had too many straight, bags of rice in my bed. I'll digress to say I hooked up with a hot, straight, Dream Boy boy the other night. It goes against my instincts, to off a straight, but he was so persistently saying he did everything. Mamasan came over and said, “We guarantee”. "If you want fuck and boy not fuck, you no pay.”  I’d like to see that unhappy scenario unfolding with boy in my condo. Anyway, took boy off and, get this, he was a great performer, enthusiastic bottom and great kisser! More so than most of my gay offs (the kissing part). So I may have to reevaluate my no straights policy (exception always having been Nice Boys, same same but different). But I have to add one caveat re: this great performing straight boy. He did transform the LT into ST. But I didn't care at that point, he'd been so valiant in bed.

 

My experience so far this trip: Prism is best and yes, Toy Boys is mostly boys I’m not even remotely interested in, some are even downright fat. But there certainly has been the one I mentioned in previous post who made my trip there well worth it. BTW, last night midnight he sent me a whole spate of his sexy photos. I guess he hadn’t been offed and was vying for another off with me. So yeah, it’s all about negotiating skills…and supply and demand.

[vinapu]

If I found a guy who ticked all the boxes but was asking a ridiculously high price, I wouldn't let him go. I'd pay whatever he wants.

because Thai culture doesn't take well 'no' for an answer quoting ridiculously high price may be boy's way of indicating he is not interested or available.

I'm privy to two of such situations when boys actually confessed that that was reason / in both cases only ST was available but clients wanted LT/.

 

While I support thinking that if boy is ticking all boxes is worth of any price I'd still have internal upper limit as to not get carried away.

3000 ST / 5000 LT is an invitation to negotiations for me with my ceiling almost never crossed 2000/3000 but everything over that would mean I'm walking away even if boy hastes to lower his quotation to acceptable level. Only once I was prepared to pay whatever but still had condition that boys will express his interest in me / smile , eye contact / but he did not so it gave me chance to sober up

 

Sometimes we are disappointed with performance by the star but reason perhaps is not that he underperformed but our expectancy was too dreamy. 

[steveboy]

Then one night I spotted the man of my dreams! It turns out he was a Czech pornstar and, so I was told, the most popular and expensive boy in the bar. But I had to have him. Just once for the experience and bragging rights back home. YOLO, as they say.

 

But he was permanently booked by two regular customers who turned up every night - he sat with them drinking expensive champagne and then they left.

 

Oh well, he probably wouldn't have been able to get it up in bed. At least that's how I consoled myself.

 

Price is no guarantee of performance.

 

If I would have to mortgage my home to pay for the man of my dreams,  it is ME who would not be able to get it up in bed, worried if I made a good deal or not.

[Vessey]

because Thai culture doesn't take well 'no' for an answer quoting ridiculously high price may be boy's way of indicating he is not interested or available.

I'm privy to two of such situations when boys actually confessed that that was reason / in both cases only ST was available but clients wanted LT/.

 

While I support thinking that if boy is ticking all boxes is worth of any price I'd still have internal upper limit as to not get carried away.

3000 ST / 5000 LT is an invitation to negotiations for me with my ceiling almost never crossed 2000/3000 but everything over that would mean I'm walking away even if boy hastes to lower his quotation to acceptable level. Only once I was prepared to pay whatever but still had condition that boys will express his interest in me / smile , eye contact / but he did not so it gave me chance to sober up

 

Sometimes we are disappointed with performance by the star but reason perhaps is not that he underperformed but our expectancy was too dreamy. 

 

Some really good points here. Mostly we have learnt to read the signals as we chat with the boy  and either 'go for it' or 'move on' as the mood dictates.

 

But sadly there are those instances where either alcohol has clouded our judgement or where our cocks are completely ruling our heads and we press ahead regardless of the baht involved or those little warning signs that the lad's heart will not be in this encounter.

[rollingstone]

..., he was a great performer, enthusiastic bottom and great kisser! More so than most of my gay offs (the kissing part). So I may have to reevaluate my no straights policy (exception always having been Nice Boys, same same but different).

How can an enthusiastic bottom be straight in the first place? lol.

[a447a]

How can an enthusiastic bottom be straight in the first place? lol.

Some guys are great actors. They know what they have to do to make money in this business.

[vinapu]

Some guys are great actors. They know what they have to do to make money in this business.

yep, It's why I like straights. They know they need to try harder in order to perform.

 

There's also question how straight they really are. If father of 2 happily married is undressing in preparation for massage and sports hardon already suspicion is he must be on our side to some degree, right  

[JimmyJoe]

How can an enthusiastic bottom be straight in the first place? lol.

My sentiment exactly. The phrase is an oxymoron if ever there was one. You’ll also note my use of the word performer. I meant it in the sense of an acting performance as well as a sexual one. Summed up best by a447 in his post following yours.

 

These guys, gay and straight, are all acting, with wildly varying results.

[JimmyJoe]

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[JimmyJoe]

There's also question how straight they really are. If father of 2 happily married is undressing in preparation for massage and sports hardon already suspicion is he must be on our side to some degree, right  

 

Two points. Over and over again I am amazed at the potency of Thai money, massage boys, especially their ability to get hard instantly and to cum over and over again. Is it the industry that attracts these guys with this unusual ability ( I suspect so) or is this broadly how Thai males generally are? No way for me to know.

 

Also, I just don’t get the often blurred lines of Thai male sexuality.  There seem to be many Thais who a somewhere along the spectrum of bisexuality, which I can more or less fathom. But these high performance-art straights, killing you softly in bed. I really don’t get how they do it. It must be due to true desperation. Because, if I try to think of myself performing similar acts on women, for money, on command, no matter how hard I tried, there is no way in hell I could do any of it (revealing of where I am on the bi spectrum). Maybe people have difference tolerance levels for disgusting acts (the infamous “ick” factor).

[vinapu]

But these high performance-art straights, killing you softly in bed. I really don’t get how they do it.

I actually asked boys this question few times and answer was pretty uniform , they treat it just as a job, some also said they try to think they  with woman. But somewhere deep in my heart I still think they must like us at least a bit.

 

No doubt money factor plays into  it big time, I think it was numazu who reported that one of his boys gets 300 a day working in garment industry and see it in light of 1500 ST tip, big motivator for many I guess and we can be only grateful that they allow themselves to be THAT motivated.   

[spoon]

We can get off on masturbation with our own right hand, sex toys. No man or woman involve. Some real straight ones do use porn to help them perform as well.