Guest Posted July 4, 2017 Posted July 4, 2017 There are plenty of other bars, so no need to use Toy Boys. So far I have never paid 2000 LT in Pattaya. It's usually 1800. I suppose 2000 is coming soon. At the other end, service has to be really bad for me to drop to 1000 ST with a bar boy. I think it was always 12~1300 on the last trip. At the risk of repeating myself, if you want to discourage your boy from agreeing to LT, then cutting you to ST. 1 Check he agrees to do long time & make sure of the reply 2 Then tell him because tonight is long time, it is 1800/2000 long time, but if he changes to short time & leaves before 9:00 am it is 500 baht. Ask him if that's OK. If there's significant hesitation or squirming, you know you need to get another one if it must be long time. Incidentally, this is the only case where I would raise the subject of money in a bar. If doing short time, or flexible on long/short time, I would not ask.
paulfort Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Personally as suggested earlier on this thread by Vinapoo and others I would suggest it is very much up to us as the client how much we pay in terms of the tip (unless we agree X THB in advance) Yes the bar can dictate the bar fine and drink price which we should probably accept as difficult to argue other than not returning, but so far as the tip is concerned, of course the boys are going to suggest often astronomical amounts if you ask them! Why shouldn't they, certainly wouldn't be any different in my own UK, they see us as wealthy walking ATM machines, they are clearly extremely streetwise, talk with their friends, get a competitive "how much I can make" angle so why shouldn't they try to see how much they can get from us, and probably boast to their friends what they then claimed to have made, that is going to happen and nothing we can do about it! Why not just nicely and polity "rise above it a little" I have a very good "friend" from Toy boys, who nicely ranted away about his expected 5 to 6K THB tip, I suggested .... "wonderful if you can make that, well done and good luck but beyond me - so what do you want to do - shall we say goodbye or.....? " needless to say we spent a lot of time together and had a great time on a more realistic payment! However they would be stupid and naive (which most Thai Boys defiantly aren't ) if they didn't try it on a little! I just think we as the client need to exercise a little common sense and accept that we are dealing with normally very decent but certainly bright and streetwise boys who understandably want to get what they can from us financially! Vessey, Shonen, vinapu and 1 other 4
Shonen Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 That's a hilarious story, any idea what the lucky guy did with all that money? We still video chat, right now he's working in another Arab country doing massage. He sent money to his mother in Udan Thani, I think she was the lucky one. He always wanted me to talk to his mom on the phone even though we couldn't communica. Also he showed me many times the frame of his family house next door to their his sisters house which was not finished. I'm sure he was hoping that I'd tell him I'll finish it for them. I told him that I've been going to Pattaya for 13 years and I know all about money boys. Yet his come back was " how you know about money boy?", lol. Like was previously stated, these guys are smart and will push the limits to get the most out of us. It's up to us to decide how far. Alexx 1
vinapu Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 will push the limits to get the most out of us. It's up to us to decide how far. it's good idea to decide for ourselves what is maximum we are willing to fork out so we are not get caught in the heat of the moment which may happen to everybody with help of drink or two plus hand placed strategically on the boy's leg. If you know your limit , stick to it on pain of missing that off if boy is too demanding. But being firm doesn't equate with being cheap as news are travelling fast and then we have those farangs nobody in bar is smiling at.
Boy69 Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Yes I agree these boys are smart and will push the limits to get the most out of us ,with long term almost every boy I met tried to take me to his family home and I always refused in that way they're trying to take as much money as they can from us :sick mom,buffalo died,borther in hospital and more hilarious stories ,one boy even showed me his unfinished house next to his mom in hope that I will pay and come to leave with him at his village in the north. Hahaha very funny.
JimmyJoe Posted July 5, 2017 Author Posted July 5, 2017 There are plenty of other bars, so no need to use Toy Boys. Well yes, but I was interested in Toy Boys and asking about others experiences there.
JimmyJoe Posted July 5, 2017 Author Posted July 5, 2017 1 Check he agrees to do long time & make sure of the reply 2 Then tell him because tonight is long time, it is 1800/2000 long time, but if he changes to short time & leaves before 9:00 am it is 500 baht. Ask him if that's OK. If there's significant hesitation or squirming, you know you need to get another one if it must be long time. Incidentally, this is the only case where I would raise the subject of money in a bar. If doing short time, or flexible on long/short time, I would not ask. Excellent advice. That's not typo, right, offer him 500 B in bar if LT turns in to ST? That really will separate the LT willing from the unwilling.
JimmyJoe Posted July 5, 2017 Author Posted July 5, 2017 Incidentally, this is the only case where I would raise the subject of money in a bar. If doing short time, or flexible on long/short time, I would not ask. I know many experienced forum members never discuss money with the boy in the bar and that works very well for them. I guess is really does make sense too. It might help to motivate the boy. But how can you make sure both parties end up parting on happy terms? Before he leaves do you just hand him say 1200 ST or 1800 LT? Take it or leave it. What if he had been expecting 1500, 2000 - 3000? Do you just stand firm and he goes away one unhappy boy, presumably not talking nicely about you at his bar. Or do you up the ante?
a447a Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 I also don't have a problem with the boys trying it on. I would probably do exactly the same in their position. If only one in ten agrees to pay the outrageous fee, I'm ahead. And sure, the boys talk about us but they should also be aware that we talk about them and are quite knowledgeable about the sex business. And it's also true that boys go back to the bar and exaggerate what they have managed to squeeze out of the farang (I'm referring to money!). One boy from Eros asked me if I could send him 15000 baht every month. Apparently, another of my Eros off's told him that's what I was doing for him when I returned home. Yeah, right! Toyboys can quote whatever fee they want for ST or LT, but at the end of the day, it's between you and the boy. It's none of the bar's fucking business. I firmly believe that no matter what you pay, both of you must go away happy. Afterall, it takes two to tango.
Boy69 Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 But how can you make sure both parties end up parting on happy terms? Before he leaves do you just hand him say 1200 ST or 1800 LT? Take it or leave it. What if he had been expecting 1500, 2000 - 3000? The minimum for ST is 1000-1500 and for LT 1500-2000 as long as you don't go bellow than that you are fine ,the boy's expectations are not relevant here just pay what you think. of course in the past I had some experience with stunning boys and I paid more because I wanted to not because they demanded it but never went bellow the minimum even if the boy was terrible I just wouldn't off him my more. It's really up to you,the important thing is that you have to take control on the situation not the boy.
ChristianPFC Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 I pay 1000 st and it has been a while since I had lt, but then paid 1500. And everyone wants to go with me again. Should I ever take someone from toy boys or bbb, that will be a quandry. I will pay 1000, but know that some will expect 1500. If we don't talk about it in advance, I might not be able to enjoy the encounter as I know there might be an argument afterwards. If the boy rises the issue of payment and insists on 1500, I will tell him I can have boy for 1000 everywhere else, and will get one for 1000 from somewhere else.
vinapu Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 And it's also true that boys go back to the bar and exaggerate what they have managed to squeeze out of the farang (I'm referring to money!). One boy from Eros asked me if I could send him 15000 baht every month. Apparently, another of my Eros off's told him that's what I was doing for him when I returned home. I had similar experience with one of Arena boys I met before few times without a glitch in their place. Finally offed him LT , then all of the sudden in the morning he was very unhappy with 3000 and requested 5000. I stand my ground since I consider 3000 LT VERY fair tip if not more but he was very disappointed and left in huff. Since I know him a bit I don't think he faked it so somebody must tell him he got 5000 from me. Next trip we made friends again But how can you make sure both parties end up parting on happy terms? Before he leaves do you just hand him say 1200 ST or 1800 LT? Take it or leave it. What if he had been expecting 1500, 2000 - 3000? Do you just stand firm and he goes away one unhappy boy, presumably not talking nicely about you at his bar. Or do you up the ante? In most cases they just take money, often not even counting it but sometimes they do and ask for "small money" for taxi even if tip just received included some 100 baht bills, LOL If they expect more they accept their fate leaving unhappy, ask you for more or you may have a scene. I had it rarely but in one case of Dreamboys he even went as far as calling mamasan from my room who told me 1500 is minimum but I stand my ground / boy did not even undress using excuses/ and next morning half hotel knew I had problems with my guest and I got some looks. In another case Tawan boy firmly wanted 4000 and did not yield underscoring that he is serious by sitting down and I relented to avoid another scene. If you curious , in both cases tip was discussed beforehand as is usually / 9 of of 10 / my habit. So it looks , at times one can't avoid those things no matter what. No need to be paranoid though as those just rare occurrences and reason we return trip after trip is we are very happy with our boys
Travellerdave Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 My experience with money boys in Pattaya goes back to year 2002 and over the years I had a wide variety of experiences but the majority have been good. I remember one attractive boy from the Kaos gogo in Sunee who I offed after making sure he knew what I wanted via a waiter translating ie long time till about 10 am and I was going to be top. In my room he was obviously very nervous and undressed in the shower following which he got into bed draped tightly in a towel. He would not respond to my advances so after a while I indicated that he should go but before leaving he held his hand demanding 1000 baht (he knew English for that). I gave him a couple of hundred and more or less pushed him out of the room. The following evening I went back to Kaos to complain and was told that it had been his first night in the gogo and that he was scared of being fucked but needed the money. They let me off a boy without the fee. My point is that you can never guarantee the service when paying for sex. I'm in Pats at the end of next month and anticipate paying 2000 for LT, but of course there are other costs with boys, drinks, the off fee, meals, small presents for those you keep for more than one night, such as phone top-ups, clothes and jewelry. I try and make sure they know what the deal is - long time is to at least 10 am unless I terminate early. 2000 baht but maybe a bit extra if I really enjoy myself. ChristianPFC and 1moRussian 2
gerefan Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 I regard the boys tip as the cheapest part of the whole holiday. So why quibble about 500 Bt (1000 or 1500) which is what most of this discussion is about. Ignoring the outrageous requests. FFS it's only about GBP 11.50 and taking into account all the rest of the expenses it pails (pales?) into insignificance. Just pay and keep the peace..... Phet and vinapu 2
Boy69 Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 I agree 1500 Bt is reasonable rate for ST unless the boy is terrible and than reducing it to 1000-1200 Bt. I am willing to go up to 2000 if the boy is really a star but not more than that. rollingstone 1
Guest ronnie4you Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 I don't want to take a guy without knowing what he expects for his fee. At a massage place I once had a great massage for all of 30 minutes. Normally I would pay 1500, but something told me that this guy wanted more, so I gave him 2000. He created a very nasty scene, demanding 4000- for 30 minutes! Thus I violated the warm heart policy and very strongly said "NO! All the way down the soi I expected to get assaulted!
bucknaway Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 If you both can agree to an amount be it great or small then it's a win for you both. I never pay message board tip rates. I only use message board tip talks as an fyi only.
alex303 Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Ok after some enquiries with the management of Toyboys yesterday & today it the appears their current 'menu' lists 1500 ST 3000 LT (recent increase) apparently previously it listed:- 1500 ST 2500 LT In all my many years of going in there I have never bothered my arse to look at the 'menu'...and it seems you can still negotiate with your chosen guy (should you so wish)...PLEASE don't get me started! I am just relaying what I was told, personally I don't agree with it. I am also of the school that rarely discusses Tips up-front unless a guy asks before hand and in truth I'm well know enough that they know already what the Tip will be and its fair 1500 ST 2000 LT +???....plus a trip to TNI or NAB and copious amounts of whiskey more than likely...due to constant 'nagging' from ColmX if I dare not... But I would suggest with their current thinking its probably worth agreeing things up-front as its a 'wonky' bar policy (to put it politely) and just risks both boy & customer potentially loosing face. colmx and ChristianPFC 2
Vessey Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 To follow on from my earlier post in this thread I readily accept that I overpay compared with others. My favourite at Toy Boys I first met when he worked across the soi in Scandic (?) Massage where you paid at reception a flat fee of 1,500 for massage 'and sex with boy'. Now with the aid of Cialis I rarely have a problem 'rising to the occasion' several times a day, but I do have difficulty in emptying my tanks. So I made a bargain with this lad - I would give him an extra 500 baht if he actually got me to cum. Not surprisingly he would go to great efforts to ensure that I did, in fact his success rate rapidly outstripped all my other regulars of whatever gender. So when he moved over to Toy Boys I naturally kept this going - except, as I said, word got round and other boys wanted the same. But for me this lad remains in a different class - and believe me he still absolutely earns his tip. Alexx 1
bobsaigon Posted July 5, 2017 Posted July 5, 2017 Yes, the never ending question of how much one should pay and whether "over-payment" ruins it for everyone else. Well, I'm sorry for everyone else, but as far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as over paying. It's a decision of the customer based on his budget or based on his satisfaction with the boy's performance. If you get by with paying 500 Baht, fine. And if I chose to pay 3,000 Baht, that's also fine. The boys will not expect more than 500 from you and they will expect 3,000 from me. So be it. Alexx, a447a, paulsf and 1 other 4
vinapu Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 I am willing to go up to 2000 if the boy is really a star but not more than that. Once I got heated a bot about one of boys with true star looks and built. I went as far as mentally and financially prepare myself for as much as 200 USD / 6000 baht then / had he requested that much. But it pays to have some system - I was going to off him only if he pays any attention to my presence in the bar / smile or even just wink would do/ which is what i always practice and advise others. Unfortunately to my bleeding heart but fortunately to sanity of my finances he did not bother so neither did I. I liked that lesson I gave to myself and now if he is still in business / I have signals he is / I'd still go for him but just for regular or at most slightly improved rate like 2000 ST but at least 2 hrs. Again , it pays to develop some rules for ourselves as often we tend to get carried over a bit.
vinapu Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 At a massage place I once had a great massage for all of 30 minutes. Normally I would pay 1500, but something told me that this guy wanted more, so I gave him 2000. He created a very nasty scene, demanding 4000- for 30 minutes! Thus I violated the warm heart policy and very strongly said "NO! All the way down the soi I expected to get assaulted! Good for you . Even 1500 for just 1/2 hr is wayyyyy too much. In massages I stick to 1000 / hr rule and never ever had any problems with that rate. Even if we are done , bells and whistles , if boy wants his 1500 for 1.5 hr . he needs to endure some quiet moment of hugging and caressing until paid time is over and I must say all of them suffer gladly in such a case. I think in your case he sensed that you are completely not in the know or enamored with him madly or both and wanted to exploit situation but this is mercilessly very rare. Glad you stand your ground. word got round and other boys wanted the same. I had a few such cases including both nights in Pattaya on my last Dec trip and had no problem of telling them that 3000 LT is rate I'm paying to their friend and him only but they will get 2500 and 2000 respectively and it looks they had no problem whatsoever to accept both tip and their fate. This supports what bobsaigon said above as well.
ChristianPFC Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 So why quibble about 500 Bt (1000 or 1500) which is what most of this discussion is about. For me it's well worth talking about a difference of 500 Baht, and telling the boy who wants 1500 that I will easily find someone who accepts 1000 elsewhere. But you have to see it in context: I pay 500 for my hotel room in Baan Dok Mai, and I mostly eat streetfood. So for that difference of 500 Baht, I can stay one night in hotel, or eat 3 days. Whereas if you stay in hotels that cost 1000 or 2000 Baht per night, and eat in fine restaurants, it's not worth arguing over a difference of 500 Baht tip. vinapu and 1moRussian 2
JimmyJoe Posted July 6, 2017 Author Posted July 6, 2017 Ok after some enquiries with the management of Toyboys yesterday & today it the appears their current 'menu' lists 1500 ST 3000 LT (recent increase) Thank you for the investigations leading to the very precise information re: bar policy. So, the boy I was trying to negotiate with there was indeed being entirely truthful. Maybe I'll try my luck negotiating there again but I doubt it, as the last two nights I popped my head in for a peek there, I saw far more Chinese customers than boys.
vinapu Posted July 6, 2017 Posted July 6, 2017 Maybe I'll try my luck negotiating there again but I doubt it, as the last two nights I popped my head in for a peek there, I saw far more Chinese customers than boys. From what i hear from boys, Chinese are not tipping in the bar and not offing as often as their numbers in the audience would suggest so you are still standing good chance. ( to be fair to Chinese, I never heard complain about unfair tip after off so it looks those who are taking boys with them made their homework )
