Bangkok Trip Report: To Butterfly or not to Butterfly Part 2 – The Devil and the Angel

[numazu]

Odds and Ends

 

Interesting and bothersome that you say he was in a hospital.

Does Victory have any information you can share???

I will find out from victory when I am back in Bangkok. I have extended my stay in Pattaya.

 

I'd be happy to note that he is doing fine and has been out of the hospital for a while. I'm not at liberty to discuss what happened but the important thing he is fine. He is still taking it easy but will be back to farming, or whatever he puts his mind to, very soon.

 

I 'm feeling the some way, quite moving good bye, inner thoughts well written but who knows what future brings to both parties.

We can only hope for happy and unexpected reunion, that would be story !

From your lips to numazu's ears. Make it happen numazu!

 

He wants me to visit him in Myanmar, but I don't think I am going to do that. I am thinking my time with MonBoy will be just these magical 2 nights. Anything more would probably be less of the fantasy that I go to Thailand for, and more of the reality that I am eager to escape. 

 

Thanks numazu for a really interesting story!
Returning to English learning discussion - I am thinking of using it for my English studies. There is an exercise when you are just sitting and copying down a book by your hand and a pen; but it is time consuming, so it should be an intresting book

 

BurBoy has recently finished his Level 2 english classes from the Dear Burma Academy, and I am impressed by how much more improved his english has become. He texts in complete sentences now, and our video calls are more conversational. I am looking forward to seeing him in a few weeks to see in person how much it has improved. Downside is I won't be able to talk over him when I am with faring friends, as he would probably understand the conversation, more than he has had before.

 

 A wonderful report as always. I was wondering, does your hotel charge for extra room cleaning? 555

 

Whenever I talk about my post-coital cleanups it horrifies me to realize the amount of cum that gets spilled on the bed, the hotel furniture, the carpeting, and even the window/window sills. Thankfully the hotel does not charge me for extra cleaning, as I am sure that in Bangkok, and in Thailand in general, the cleaning crew probably (and hopefully) cleans all these up, because they are used to it and expect it.

 

As for holding hands in public, I don't do for various reasons: I'm 184 cm and most local boys are significantly shorter, so one of us has to contort to get our hands at same level; when walking on sidewalk next to each other we have to navigate around other pedestrians and on roads without sidewalk walking next to each other is out of question; when crossing roads it's better to cross separately.

 

My boyfriend is 194 cm+ and I am more than a foot shorter, and I have no problem holding hands with him at all in public. In our recent Europe trip, it was actually nice to hold hands with him while touring the sites. With holding hands, its not just to be physically connected to him, it is a way for us to communicate non-verbally. I can tug on his arm if I see something I like while we are walking, he can squeeze my hand once in a while to show me he is thinking of me, and we can coordinate each other's walking speeds while connected to each other. Sometimes when one needs to text or look at their phone, the other can just guide that person while still walking, and there is not need to stop to text or whatever.

 

BurBoy's favorite activity is to take my hand whenever we cross the street, wherever we are. He thinks I am this helpless westerner who doesn't know how to navigate the third world roadways, even if he knows I've been to Thailand multiple times already. I am happy to be under his protection.

 

And one more reason for not holding hands in public (I just had a boy who initiated, so we did): palms get sweaty!

 

My palms, and the rest of me, get sweaty all the time. My partners don't seem to mind.

 

Regarding holding hands with boys. I find they often initiate this when accompanying them from their bar to hotels. I think they believe it to be part of the off ritual. I'm OK with it in gay areas and is common place to see older gays doing the same with their young boyfriends in BT, Sunee, Jomtien Complex on Dongtan Beach. Hetros are often seen holding hands with girls young enough to be their grand daughters on Beach Road.
However I would not do it for example at the Soi Buakhow Market or in a shopping mall and of course it's rather difficult on Pattaya's crowded and often uneven sidewalks.

 

I wouldn't do it in a mall as well, out of modesty, but MonBoy was successful in showing me that I was being shy about PDA for no reason. 

 

P.S. What's up with the growing number of locked threads? Is the summer heat getting to everyone?

[spoon]

Mostly in involves 1-2 guys and scooby is quick to stop it.

[Guest]

Mostly in involves 1-2 guys and scooby is quick to stop it.

 

Often the same 1-2 guys and they are buggering up the forum for everyone else.     

I have no idea what they write, due to the excellent Ignore function.    However, it does mean that if you start a thread here, it stands a chance of going off the rails & getting locked. 

 

Eventually, they might get kicked off, so constructive discussion can continue.

[vinapu]

... my time with MonBoy will be just these magical 2 nights. Anything more would probably be less of the fantasy that I go to Thailand for, and more of the reality that I am eager to escape. 

 

 

I am looking forward to seeing him in a few weeks .....

 

Downside is I won't be able to talk over him when I am with faring friends, as he would probably understand the conversation, more than he has had before.

 

 

P.S. What's up with the growing number of locked threads? Is the summer heat getting to everyone?

there's something in old saying that one can't go to the same river twice.

 

Encounters with the some boy  after a while of separation sometimes  are bit disappointing and I can say , it works for both sides. We have our expectancies , boys have theirs and all of the sudden several month later it looks half of fun for some reason is gone. We are disappointed because boys is not as clingy and goods looking as he seemed last time, boy offed few times previously is expecting this will be case this time and all of the sudden instead of sweet candies we have sour cherries.

 

Mercifully it's not a rule of law and often boy reserved or overlooked first time , now is smiling and warm and we wonder how we could overlook him first time.

 

Good to know another trip is in the books so we can wait patiently for another fabulous report of yours.

 

You are correct about danger of BurBoy understanding more, it just means when you will be meeting farang friends , don't tag him along or if you do , subject of boys , bars , offs etc should be avoided at any costs.

 

As for locked threads you are correct , we had more of those this years that in last 4-5 before combined. Perhaps some posters should realize that is good to make the some point in argument  once, top twice and then move on.

 

It's fallacy to think that drilling it to no end,  thinking that winning an arguments prevents them from looking , how to say it politely , incompatible perhaps.  

[spoon]

Monboy is paid fun regardless how it ends with you two and burboy never was. Still very special the way things transpired. It is like one of those fairytale that only happens in movies and yet its real.

 

The constant bickering usually shows immaturity, often seen in younglings and aging older generations alike. ignore function work bests though some of you keep quoting the troll, hence some of the posts still made it through my phone screen lol

[bobsaigon]

Numazu wrote     "He wants me to visit him in Myanmar, but I don't think I am going to do that. I am thinking my time with MonBoy will be just these magical 2 nights. Anything more would probably be less of the fantasy that I go to Thailand for, and more of the reality that I am eager to escape".

 

When I first read this, the romantic in me was a bit disappointed.  I thought it would have been a wonderful adventure to meet him in Myanmar.

 

Then my memory gave me a well deserved kick in the butt and I recalled the numerous times I made visits to boys' homes in Issan or Chiang Mai.     If I could do it all over again, I would say "no thanks" and just remain in Bangkok or Pattaya without delving into the family lives of these boys. 

[vinapu]

...... and just remain in Bangkok or Pattaya without delving into the family lives of these boys. 

exactly , after all if we offed boys few times I guess we wouldn't be introducing him to our parents if they happened to be in Bangkok at the same time 

[Alexx]

I've enjoyed most of my trips to the countryside to visit Thai friends. After a few days, it's usually quite enough for me, but a little adventure every once in a while is fun. A Bangkok mono diet would get boring at some point. I'd jump at the chance to visit someone in a Burmese village, so far that hasn't happened yet...

[1moRussian]

 

BurBoy has recently finished his Level 2 english classes from the Dear Burma Academy, and I am impressed by how much more improved his english has become. He texts in complete sentences now, and our video calls are more conversational. I am looking forward to seeing him in a few weeks to see in person how much it has improved. Downside is I won't be able to talk over him when I am with faring friends, as he would probably understand the conversation, more than he has had before.

 

 

That is nice.

I've sent DearBurma link to another Burmese guy, not sure if he was aware about their English classes at special price

[Boy69]

Numazu wrote "He wants me to visit him in Myanmar, but I don't think I am going to do that. I am thinking my time with MonBoy will be just these magical 2 nights. Anything more would probably be less of the fantasy that I go to Thailand for, and more of the reality that I am eager to escape".

 

When I first read this, the romantic in me was a bit disappointed. I thought it would have been a wonderful adventure to meet him in Myanmar.

 

Then my memory gave me a well deserved kick in the butt and I recalled the numerous times I made visits to boys' homes in Issan or Chiang Mai. If I could do it all over again, I would say "no thanks" and just remain in Bangkok or Pattaya without delving into the family lives of these boys.

I never ever agreed to visit boys' families although received invitations from some boys .

First because I don't think that to be in a rural remote thai family house is appealing to me I am sure I will be bored to death after the second night,Second reason it could be a potential trap of the Thai boy's family to milk money from me;dead buffalo, sick father ,borther made accident and more other hilarious stories that used to take as much money as can from the poor falang stuck at the local thai family house.

[Guest lurkerspeaks]

I just got caught up with this long and exciting travelogue. Thank you for the fantastic story.. It was such a great read. As I am looking forward to my much anticipated first trip to Bangkok, it gives me much to dream of. I was so hoping to be able to find MonBoy at Jupiter, as I have, myself, evolved into a size queen after repeated trips to Brazil. I was definitely saddened to read that he has returned to his "other" home. But hopefully I will find someone similar on my trip. 

 

Thanks again for the fantastic,alluring, sensual and erotic journal.. 

[thailandone3]

@numazu I wish I had your luck when it came to these encounters. Would dearly love to meet someone like monboy

[a447a]

lurkerspeaks, if you are a size queen, you'll love Thailand. You may or may not find monboy, but if you don't there are plenty of other hung guys to choose from.

 

I'd be interested in how you think the guys from Brazil compare with the Thais.

 

I've never been to Brazil - it's on my bucket list - but the biggest cock I've ever seen was attached to a Brazilian guy I met in a sauna in Copenhagen. I was in a cubicle and this cock came in through the glory hole. It kept coming, and coming and coming. OMG!

 

Way too big to be of any use, but ever since, I've been fascinated by Brazilian guys.

[Boy69]

I just got caught up with this long and exciting travelogue. Thank you for the fantastic story.. It was such a great read. As I am looking forward to my much anticipated first trip to Bangkok, it gives me much to dream of. I was so hoping to be able to find MonBoy at Jupiter, as I have, myself, evolved into a size queen after repeated trips to Brazil. I was definitely saddened to read that he has returned to his "other" home. But hopefully I will find someone similar on my trip.

 

Thanks again for the fantastic,alluring, sensual and erotic journal..

Monboy was great for Namzu because they had a great chemistry between them that's not mean that you would have the same experience even if you could met him most likely you would receive from him the usual mechanical cold sex as received from the most of the money boys in Thailand. I believe you will find eventually what you are looking for but you have to patient. I met lovely boy in Phuket via Grindr not a money boy and sadly had to leave him today becuse I am flying home soon from BKK.I guess hipotaticaly if I decided to leave in Thailand there would be a great potential that we become boyfriends but we both know that it was a very short 'relationship' and he was smart enough to not become too emotionally involved with me and continue his work and life as usual.

He was really great and affection, very modest and simple ,shine and gentle and the sex was great not something you can receive by regular gogo boy.Sadly life must go on and we will have to forget each other.

[vinapu]

Monboy was great for Namzu because they had a great chemistry between them that's not mean that you would have the same experience 

You are bringing very valid point.

 

Encounters are usually great because there's chemistry or boy is professional or his client is so horny that doesn't pay any attention to possible shortcomings. This not necessarily means that others  will have as great or as bad experience as we had with the same boy or place.

 

Probably most of us run through all 4 cases, recommended boy turned out to be great or turned out not to be as fantastic as  other guy enthused but also despite warnings we may take a chance and off the boy who will turn as bad as warned or quite opposite , we are happy with him and wonder what the problem possibly was.

 

The same goes with bars , massages , shows , food , hotels , 3rd class trains etc.

 

So lesson to all is to follow recommendations but use our own gut when actually engaging boy or services.

If one is not happy,  shouldn't blame person on whose recommendation he acted as our tastes and experiences vary but I personally actually like if somebody reports back either in the thread or by PM that he tried this or that based on my report and feels disappointed or other way around.

 

At times even we may wonder what happened as repeat performance is not either close to original one both ways.

I had cases when I took massage boy for his looks and session was nothing memorable but because of his looks I took him again and it turned out to be great.

 

So it seems we need to carry grain of salt with us at all times.

[Guest lurkerspeaks]

I learned long ago from both Montreal and Rio hirings...listen to any recommendations, but remember that "actual experience may vary greatly depending upon chemistry, time, day, lunar cycle, bills due soon, and any endless other number of factors."

[vinapu]

 bills due soon...

actually one of Tawan boys I offed previously  once approached me with straightforward " I want sleep with you tonight, I need to pay for my room tomorrow" and it needs to be said made sure next morning I asked him to come following night as well

[ChristianPFC]

I never ever agreed to visit boys' families although received invitations from some boys .

First because I don't think that to be in a rural remote thai family house is appealing to me I am sure I will be bored to death after the second night,Second reason it could be a potential trap of the Thai boy's family to milk money from me;dead buffalo, sick father ,borther made accident and more other hilarious stories that used to take as much money as can from the poor falang stuck at the local thai family house.

 

I have been a few times, and while the first are interesting experiences, it quickly becomes boring. No problems with request for money, there is just nothing to do and nowhere to go in the village, and I'm dependent on them for food and transportation.

[ChristianPFC]

I was so hoping to be able to find MonBoy at Jupiter, as I have, myself, evolved into a size queen after repeated trips to Brazil. I was definitely saddened to read that he has returned to his "other" home. But hopefully I will find someone similar on my trip.

 

About two weeks ago, I was about to enter Jupiter hoping to see (and maybe more) MonBoy in there. But boys in jeans on stage, and half an hour to wait before show starts (which is supposed to have boys in underwear - info from staff) deterred me, and now that MonBoy is home, there is no reason for me to visit Bangkok bars with Pattaya matching my style much better.

[Boy69]

About two weeks ago, I was about to enter Jupiter hoping to see (and maybe more) MonBoy in there. But boys in jeans on stage, and half an hour to wait before show starts (which is supposed to have boys in underwear - info from staff) deterred me, and now that MonBoy is home, there is no reason for me to visit Bangkok bars with Pattaya matching my style much better.

I agree there's no reason to visit Bangkok bars with Pattaya or Phuket are much better options for me.

[paulsf]

I'll take a Bangkok bar any day over a Pattaya bar.

[Jasper]

There is no reason to visit Pattaya for me. Bangkok offer everything I want. Gogo bars-Jupiter, Tawan, Dreamboys, variety of restaurants cafes, better choice of hotels, many shopping malls and cheap taxi. I take taxi everywhere and I am not a big fan of those Pattaya Baht bus.

[spoon]

Ive never been to pattaya, but based on what i read here, didnt think i will go there over bangkok, though I like to experience pattaya myself before crossing it off altogether.

[ggobkk]

My last two trips to Thailand began with short stays in Pattaya for jet lag adjustment before heading to Bangkok.  This has worked well for me, I stay in Jomtien and let the bar boys assist  in my adjustment.  Then I'm ready for Bangkok.  Just booked for a November trip and will begin that in Pattaya/Jomtien.

[spoon]

Too bad my flight to bangkok is 2.5 hour only, no jet lag to deal with. Maybe ill wait until they return to the day before pattaya clean up by the army/police.