Getting your new Thai BF to the US

[Schuft]

Has anyone gotten their Thai BF into the states, maybe on a K4 visa or anything?  Reading about it on the .gov website, seems almost impossible. I would like to marry my thai BF in the US.

[Alexx]

In another thread, you've mentioned that your upcoming trip to Thailand will be your first one. May I ask where you've met your Thai boyfriend (not in Thailand, apparently) and for how long you've been knowing him? I'm asking because the amount of evidence you can provide for your relationship has an impact on your options for sponsorship of his visa application. Unless he can qualify for some kind of visa on his own, that can be a daunting task.

[Bob]

You should PM member KhorTose as he's gotten his bf to the US on a 10-year visa at one point in time and later got him there on a "fiancé" visa for marriage there.  He certainly knows how to get it done and I'm sure he'd be happy to advise you.

[Schuft]

May I ask where you've met your Thai boyfriend (not in Thailand, apparently) and for how long you've been knowing him? 

I met him on Thai Love Links or whatever its called now. we've been chatting or video chatting for some time now.  Maybe I am naive about calling him my BF.  He is an awesome guy, 20 yrs old, so very good looking, works in an office, lives alone in a flat.  H's invited me to stay with him for the trip, but I got a hotel room just in case, so he agreed to spend time at my hotel and me time at his flat.  He hasn't asked for money or anything from me except to come see him, which I am gladly doing since I've wanted to come to Thailand since the 80's.

  I usually put the cart before the horse, I know getting him to the US wont be easy or fast, maybe a year or too, who knows.

 

 Thank You Bob, i will keep that in mind.

[fedssocr]

yeah, that certainly sounds like cart before horse alright!

[lilbob69]

I met him on Thai Love Links or whatever its called now. we've been chatting or video chatting for some time now.  Maybe I am naive about calling him my BF.  He is an awesome guy, 20 yrs old, so very good looking, works in an office, lives alone in a flat.  H's invited me to stay with him for the trip, but I got a hotel room just in case, so he agreed to spend time at my hotel and me time at his flat.  He hasn't asked for money or anything from me except to come see him, which I am gladly doing since I've wanted to come to Thailand since the 80's.

  I usually put the cart before the horse, I know getting him to the US wont be easy or fast, maybe a year or too, who knows.

 

 Thank You Bob, i will keep that in mind.

 

So you haven't even met him in person yet? I do wish you all the best of luck. I think you may need it!

[Alexx]

Schuft, I'm somewhat baffled that you are seriously considering marriage even before having met him in person. My advice would be to take it much more slowly.

 

I take it you aren't familiar with Thai culture or anything Thai at all, so you will definitely need some time to familiarize yourself with that. The trickiest part for you is that you won't have any point of reference (i.e. other Thais) when trying to make sense of your prospective husband's feelings and actions. Please don't underestimate that challenge, your mindset and background are probably vastly different from his. Add to that the significant age difference (he's twenty, you wanted to visit Thailand in the 80s), while in itself not necessarily a problem, and there's a lot of room for clashes of cultures, expectations and lifestyles.

 

I somehow hope you're just trolling us, but if you're real, fasten your seatbelt, you're in for quite a ride.

[Schuft]

Thanks for the input guys.  No troll here, just naive I guess.

[Guest McGarty]

ok, your BF is 20,

 

may I ask your age please?

[sglad]

Thanks for the input guys.  No troll here, just naive I guess.

 

All the best to you.  Just don't get schufted.

[ChristianPFC]

I met him on Thai Love Links or whatever its called now. we've been chatting or video chatting for some time now.  Maybe I am naive about calling him my BF.  He is an awesome guy, 20 yrs old, so very good looking, works in an office, lives alone in a flat.  H's invited me to stay with him for the trip, but I got a hotel room just in case, so he agreed to spend time at my hotel and me time at his flat.  He hasn't asked for money or anything from me except to come see him, which I am gladly doing since I've wanted to come to Thailand since the 80's.

 

You lucky man! I have met well over 100 Thai boys (in saunas or online and then in real life, not moneyboys), and none of them is like yours.

[Guest ryanasia]

I think it looks legit. It isn't like if it doesn't work out that the computer systems these days won't remember what has been done. I sponsor hookers for visas every other day.

[steveboy]

Thanks for the input guys.  No troll here, just naive I guess.

 

Maybe it would be better if you are a troll.

The details of your relationship and your intentions don't bode well for neither of you two. "Naive" is not exculpatory.

[Alexx]

Well, no damage has been done yet. If he's legit and merely naïve, he has every chance to move ahead with caution.

[GWMinUS]

Love overcomes all!!

Give this man the benefit of finding someone special.

Best he meets his guy first. Have time to see if they are a match.

If so, The GO FOR IT!!!

Life is too short.

And even if there is disappointment at the end, life goes on...

[steveboy]

Love overcomes all!!

 

 

Thanks for the chuckle!

[sglad]

Love overcomes all!!

Give this man the benefit of finding someone special.

Best he meets his guy first. Have time to see if they are a match.

If so, The GO FOR IT!!!

Life is too short.

And even if there is disappointment at the end, life goes on...

 

Good advice.  Just tread carefully and try not to make financial and emotional investments you can't afford to lose.  Remember there's always plenty of time and there's always another guy even when you think there aren't any.  Good luck!

[Boy69]

Be careful many money boys use this links, don't develop excessive expectations.

[Alexx]

Be careful many money boys use this links, don't develop excessive expectations.

Indeed. Just like many straight farang have no idea how many (female) hookers use Thai Friendly.

[bobsaigon]

Part 1 - SUBMITTING THE FIANCEE VISA PETITION

 

As Bob suggested above, you should PM KhorTose (or any other successful fiancée visa sponsor) to see if he is willing to share his experience.   His case does seem unusual in that his BF had a ten year tourist visa (usable for 10 years but each visit limited to 3-6 months).  That indicates that the US Embassy was reasonably sure that he would return to Thailand at the end of his stay in the US because of his comfortable financial situation in Thailand.  I doubt this would apply to your 20 year old BF.

 

After you meet your BF for the first time, you are about a year away from confidently filing the fiancée visa petition with US Immigration (CIS).   You would almost be guaranteed approval by CIS but when it comes time for the visa interview at the US Embassy, you would need to show a history of communication with the BF (emails, or copies of other printable cyber-communications, phone records) and your several visits to be with him in Thailand.

 

When you do file the Visa Petition, CIS is just interested in whether or not you are  legally eligible to sponsor your BF.  You would just need to submit

Copy of your US passport bio page, or cy of your birth certificate

Proof of termination of prior marriage(s), if any

Evidence that you have met your BF in person during the 2 years prior to filing the visa petition.

 

With the visa petition, you are not expected to also provide proof of relationship.  That proof is what he will need when he has the visa interview at the Embassy in Bangkok.

 

Once CIS has approved the Fiancée Petition, it will be forwarded to the National Visa Center (NVC), for record keeping purposes.    NVC will contact you to let you know they have forwarded the petition to Bangkok.  The US Consulate in Bangkok will contact your BF for a visa interview.

 

Note that approval of the visa petition by CIS in the US does not mean that your BF can immediately get a visa to the US.    It is up to the US Consulate in Bangkok to make that determination, and they will only do so if they believe that the relationship is genuine.

 

Part 2….. coming up

[bobsaigon]

Part 2 – THE VISA INTERVIEW AT THE US CONSULATE

 

The sponsor is normally not entitled to attend the visa interview but should waiting outside in case the consul decides he wants to speak with him.

 

How will the Consular officer determine if you and your BF have a genuine relationship?

Your BF may be required to speak with the Consul in English, at least until Consul can see if you and your BF can communicate in English.  There’s a bullet proof glass partition between the applicant and the Consul, and there are interviews going on to the right and left of the applicant, so communication can be difficult.

 

The age difference is not automatically a denial factor and legally cannot be used as such by the Consul.   Consul is primarily trying to satisfy himself that you and your BF have a bona fide, caring relationship.  And some consuls will be protective of the Thai applicant because after all is said and done, the young Thai really does not have any idea what his life would be like in the US.  That’s why you need to fill him in on everything about your life in Atlanta or wherever you’ll be living when he arrives in the US: your job, salary, house, car, details about your children and ex-wife, if any.  Any dogs or cats in the family?  Let him know that also. Tell your BF about what you have in mind for your wedding (venue, clergyman who will officiate), about your honeymoon.

 

My office in Vietnam has handled a number of same sex fiancée cases and all have been successful.   But there are no go-go bars in Vietnam and the bona fides of the relationship is much easier to establish in Vietnam.    Consuls in Bangkok are aware of the sex industry, so your BF should have en employment verification letter to evidence his way of earning a living.    Also good for him to present a high school diploma.

 

Alexx has made some very salient points above, not related to visa approval  but dealing with the realities of your life with your BF in the US.   This is something that requires some very careful consideration.

 

If your BF’s case is approved, you will need to marry within 90 days of his arrival in the US.   If it is clear during those 90 days that things are not going to work out, then he would need to return to Thailand.    There is no way to change from an unfulfilled Fiancée Visa to a Student Visa, in case he would like to remain in the US.

 

My work has been almost exclusively with Vietnamese visa applicants.  I would welcome comments from anyone who has had experience with the US Embassy in Bangkok, since procedures differ somewhat from one Consulate to another.

[Schuft]

How many gay thai guys in their teens and 20's live alone and work an 8 hr job 5 days a week? I cant believe its many.  This guy was brought up in a conservative home (hell it took me 4 months just to see him without a shirt on).  He is very polite, like I said earlier, we chat and our skype daily so its kinda like we met" to a degree.  He also has medical conditions that I guess make him undesirable to other thais or farang. I did say that he was very handsome, even sports a mustache (from what I read and seen, facial hair isnt very popular there).  It appears we "clicked" with each other.

  So enough about him, I dont know the ins and outs of Thai culture, i need to learn.  I'm really not naive, I was in the Military, I have traveled alot thru western Europe and have dealt with various money boys, rent boys, escorts, whatever they want to call themselves locally. 

  Rant over.

[kokopelli]

 I did say that he was very handsome, even sports a mustache (from what I read and seen, facial hair isnt very popular there).  

 To the contrary, facial hair is now very popular on Thai guys. 

[Boy69]

[Boy69]

Maybe you right and the boy is fine but it's better to be very

cautious ,you can read ChristianPFC blog and learn how Thai boys can be very manipulative, deceptive and devious (my own personal experience with them is generally very negative unfortunately) The primary test is if he isn't asking for money from you and willing to work and support himself than he's OK.

 

http://christianpfc.blogspot.co.il/?m=1