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[Jasper]

You pay your fair price for a hotel, airfare ... you don't think oh well I'll pay an over inflated price. Why do this when it comes to off-ing.

Some people prefer to stay at Mandarin Oriental Hotel and some like a guest house.

 

 

I pay 1,200B and that's it, for 1 hour of fun.

Good for you. But offing Jupiter/Dreamboy/Tawan boys would be extremely hard for that amount. Some like to have more choices and long time off.

 

You need to remember the average wage is 14,000B a month, or about 650B a day and then unskilled work pays on average 6000B a month or 300B a day. Would you pay a full days wage for the same back home? Or a full weeks wage or more. Crazy.

Yes. a male escort would charge much higher than an unskilled worker in Western countries.

 

You need to do the same with the money boys also. Dumb tourists only end up inflating prices for us all.

Haha Thanks for the advise but I stick to my payment policy.

[firecat69]

Another expert I think. Been a member for 30 minutes and he is going to tell people here what they should pay for offs . First of all he is completely wrong in BKK , he will find few if any possibilities for offs in BKK . Pattaya he will have better luck. And since essentially he is talking about BKK since there are no metered taxis anywhere else.As fares taxis of the thousands of taxis I have taken in BKK only a very small % did not turn on the meter and just about all of them were on Silom or Suriwong at night and mostly in the rain.

 

He might have limited luck on the apps in BKK if he finds someone both desperate or close to his location. Otherwise no chance.

[Guest DThump]

Going back atleast 10 years a BKK short time was 1000bht.....now it is 1500-2000.....so be it however, guys have told me that if a customer is hiddeous they want more, knowing some of the punters you really cant blame them. Taxis have barely changed their rates in 10 years and at Suriwong taxis have always refused to

turn on their meters, it is easy enough to walk to Rama 4 or Silom for a taxi.

[firecat69]

I have never had to go through more then 3 taxis on Suriwong to get the meter . But they have to be moving not parked and not raining . If it is raining i just negotiate down to 100 for what would be 60 anyways , so no big deal.

[vinapu]

You should pay a fair price, but I find tourists with more money than sense keep inflating prices to the point that they're ridiculously high for the local economy. You pay your fair price for a hotel, airfare ... you don't think oh well I'll pay an over inflated price. Why do this when it comes to off-ing. I pay 1,200B and that's it, for 1 hour of fun.

 

I pay 3000 for 8 hours of fun. sometimes but not always interrupted by some sleep time so it seems  hourly rate you are paying  is shockingly high, LOL

 

I find tourists with more sense than money paying 4500 a night at Dusit Thiani when thay can have clean bed with breakfast at Raya  for 2250.

 

And those who after paying 450 for their breakfast when one can have the same a Foodland Patpong for 62 as long as it's ordered before 9. And we can go with such litany forever.

 

It's nothing wrong with questioning sense of other's spending habits but calling it dumb and accusing that this inflates prices for all others is dumb indeed. 

 

Perhaps some people have fun paying more for business class or 400 $ for pair of jeans the same way like others are happy to bargain 200 baht  underwear on Silom down to 100  or 1500 tip for short time down to 1200?

 

As for taxis firecat is spot on and what he describes above   that's my experience as well.

 

as for tips , 1200 for short time may be tough  to get accepted by soi Twilight, Jupiter or Tawan boy but some from Super A , Golden Cock or Nature boy may go for it   

[emailbroken]

Someone can be a member for ten minutes and have something worthwhile to say or a valid question to ask.  Equally people who have been here years can be wrong.  Not sure why you're so fixated with how long people have been here on the rather frequent occasions that you disagree with a post.  

 

 

Another expert I think. Been a member for 30 minutes and he is going to tell people here what they should pay for offs . First of all he is completely wrong in BKK , he will find few if any possibilities for offs in BKK . Pattaya he will have better luck. And since essentially he is talking about BKK since there are no metered taxis anywhere else.As fares taxis of the thousands of taxis I have taken in BKK only a very small % did not turn on the meter and just about all of them were on Silom or Suriwong at night and mostly in the rain.

He might have limited luck on the apps in BKK if he finds someone both desperate or close to his location. Otherwise no chance.

[Jasper]

Let's not start bitching each other as I see it's a futile argument.

You cannot change people the way they are.

 

Otherwise the forum would end up like Sawadee where members spend 90% of time expressing how they dislike each other or hunting trolls.

 

Let's concentrate on an important subject i.e. Thai boys!

[firecat69]

Easy , he had been a member for 30 minutes and then gave information that was just plain wrong. If he had given correct information then I would not care if he had been a member for 30 seconds.

 

He does a disservice to anyone who is looking for information that can be relied upon and reads his post and thinks he knows what he is talking about when he does not..

 

And trying to compare it to average wage is even more ridiculous. The good escort in NYC now gets at least $300 for 1 hour which would be equal to $12,000 a week for a 40 hour week . I can assure you very few people make $12,000 a week in NYC. Comparisons of people who sell themselves for sex to someone working in the fields just is a unfair comparison.

[forky123]

Perplu. I couldn't give a flying fuck what the average wage in Thailand is against the amount I pay for an ST or for a massage. Unless you know how often the guys manage to find a customer, the two things can't be compared. Do I barter them down to the minimum they might take? No. I'd much rather have sex with someone that thinks they are getting a good deal. At the end of it I will feel better and maybe they will. Everyone can do their own thing and pay what they can get away with but, for me, I don't feel the need to skimp on the main point of my holiday. If I get a reputation for paying a little too much, I can live with that. I'd certainly hate to think I got the opposite reputation.

[spoon]

Paying for services, especially sex services, goes by the saying 'u get what u pay for'. If its a one time thing, u may not realized the difference as different people might behave differently. But ive tried haggling down on a guy before, thai guy but in my country, and he accepted and we had fun. However, the next time i took him, i didnt haggle and the guy reciprocate and perform much better services that put me in heaven. granted that some guy might try to extort money of you, but majority of the time, based on my experience, if u pay cheaply, ull get half-assed services and vice versa.

[ChristianPFC]

And trying to compare it to average wage is even more ridiculous. The good escort in NYC now gets at least $300 for 1 hour which would be equal to $12,000 a week for a 40 hour week . I can assure you very few people make $12,000 a week in NYC. Comparisons of people who sell themselves for sex to someone working in the fields just is a unfair comparison.

 

The problem is, few of the money boys I encountered in Thailand were good. Just off the field, no talent, being lured by the comparatively large amount of money that can be made. The vast majority is unskilled labor, no talent, no training.

 

I do make that comparison (500 Baht for an hour in my room is a good deal for the boy, compared to 300 Baht minimum wage), and get plenty of takers (boys who do not speak English and had little or no contact with tourists before, at least no sex with tourists before. Once they get into the market servicing foreigners, the 500 Baht times are probably over).

 

I happily pay 1000 for the few boys who are good, to come to my room (no travel for me, no drinks, no off-fees), but from experience I can't see that any boy would be worth the prices now paid in Soi Twilight.

 

For the touristy markets, everyone can easily look elsewhere and find the same stuff for half the price, just a few km away in Bangkok (e.g. Patpong night market versus MBK). For male prostitution, you have to travel to Pattaya to find the same service at reasonable prices.

[firecat69]

Christian the way you look at things is colored by the fact that you are younger then most on this Board and speak fluent Thai which again I would guess the overwhelming number of readers on this Board do not.

 

You are also a constant over many years a long term visitor. Most people on this Board who ask for information are not long term residents and need the kind of information that 2 week holiday visitors want. They are not going to go on the streets and strike up a conversation with a cute boy in Thai and then ask him if they can have sex.

 

You know as well I do that you might find a boy online in BKK that is living close to your location and willing to come to you.

 

But BKK is so enormous and traffic so bad that boys don't want t spend an hour getting to your room for a small amount. Strangely most boys on the apps in BKK dislike the skytrain and would rather take a taxi or there is no station close to their home. Easy to spend 3-400 baht getting to and from a customers room.

 

Yes Pattaya is much easier to use the apps although even there I have had many boys tell me from Jomtien they did not know where Central Festival was. They want me to come to Jomtien to get them. No chance.

 

But in BKK it would be a waste of time and elimination of 90% of available boys if anyone thought they could pay 1200 baht and that includes GoGoBars , PlanetRomeo and other Apps.

[Alizizou]

Christian why i cant enter to your blog..?

[Irishfella]

Why are drinks, bar fine and ST/LT rate so much expensive in gay bars than it is in girly bars?    Whats the freelancer rate and where are they freelance gay bars/discos?

[PeterRS]

You should pay a fair price, but I find tourists with more money than sense keep inflating prices to the point that they're ridiculously high for the local economy.

I have no doubt its a question that has been asked since gogo bars first opened and it will continue to be asked until the last one finally shuts up shop. Tourists with oodles of cash have a tendency to spend it. So if they decide they want a suite in a 5 star hotel and a good time with a bar boy they take a fancy to the last thing they are likely to do is think about is how much to tip. Chances are it will be a lot more than any of us here might pay. Thats just life. Happens everywhere. Moaning about it wont change it. 

 

Trying to come up with a formula which brings tips in line with wage rates in any economy is a total waste of mental energy in my view. Far more important is that the boys are treated with respect and a greater degree of dignity than some who off them seem to exhibit. They are not a commodity purchased at a 7 11. They are human beings like the rest of us and they do a job which for much of the time must feel pretty loathsome. But it pays their bills.

Why are drinks, bar fine and ST/LT rate so much expensive in gay bars than it is in girly bars? 

Supply and demand. Lots more girlie bars, Lots more customers. Gay bars are a tiny niche market and I suspect they operate more on the fringe of the law. Its also a declining market. This gives the owners carte blanche to charge whatever customer will pay.

[ChristianPFC]

Christian why i cant enter to your blog..?

 

This is the address: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/

Can you open it? If not, I have no idea. But let me know where you are, it might be location.

[ChristianPFC]

Why are drinks, bar fine and ST/LT rate so much expensive in gay bars than it is in girly bars?    Whats the freelancer rate and where are they freelance gay bars/discos?

 

Different pricing structure. Girls command short time fees starting at 3000 Baht, from reading stickmanweekly. So drinks are cheaper in girly bars, but short time or long time is more expensive. And there is this awful coyote girl scam, girls that cannot be barfined or command even higher fees, like 1000 off fee and 5000 short time.

[ChristianPFC]

Its also a declining market. This gives the owners carte blanche to charge whatever customer will pay.

 

 

On the other hand, it's a buyer's market. Most boys don't have a customer. And furthermore, the customer has the option to have a wank to porn instead of offing a boy, whereas the boy has no other option to get money for food and rent.

[vinapu]

whereas the boy has no other option to get money for food and rent.

unless , God forbid , he gets that novelty idea of changing jobs

[Guest]

On the other hand, it's a buyer's market. Most boys don't have a customer. And furthermore, the customer has the option to have a wank to porn instead of offing a boy, whereas the boy has no other option to get money for food and rent.

I think that depends on circumstances.

 

Anyone going on holiday in high season might encounter boys with 2 or more customers per evening (high season is still a great time to visit Thailand, due to crap weather at home, great weather in Thailand & enforced closure of the office).

Then if the customer is fussy & wants his boys cleanly shaven & with not too many tats, that's narrowing the selection of boys down.

 

Whereas if you live in Thailand, that also includes the low season & I suppose you can have more patience to wait for the right opportunity, particularly if operating on a budget that has to be stretched over the year.