Vietnamese Boys

[aussie_]

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[Alexx]

Also, it's probably more than he would earn in an hour in some low end job in Vietnam.

Definitely. The monthly minimum wage in HCMC is 3,750,000 dong per month, so that's more like 20,000 dong per hour.

[abidismaili]

When you go into Tesco / Wallmart, they do not say "sorry, we don't have any food now, but can we have 400,000 dong please ?".

 

The correct response is to send him away with nothing.   He's done nothing, so deserves nothing.   And, just to remove all doubt, he has lied.

 

I'm beginning to see why there are money boys around who are just not prepared to perform.   

If they can earn some money without performing, why bother ?

 

 

I always take into account the unpredictability of some boys. Say you don't give him that small amount, what if he causes a scene?

 

Remember you are in a foreign country, you do not know the inside out of everything. You do not know your way around the institutions, you do not speak the language. 

 

I know some risks are extremely unlikely, but still I rather pay 500 baht to get rid of him,  then risk that very unlikely event. Because there are Farang who experience it. Why won't you experience it, what makes you immune to the type of scams I refer to in the next parapgraph?  

 

Because take these very unlikely scam examples (but not 100% unlikely, so it can happen to you, so why not pay a small amount to make it 100% unlikely?): What if he says "pay me, or I will tell police you raped me"? Or "pay me, or I tell all moneyboys in Soi Twilight you are a bad customer and they shouldn't go with you?"

 

Will you pay then? Or will you just see what happens then?  In a country where you do not know the language of, where you do not know your way around?

 

Then 500 baht is such a small fee to pay for this scam, compared to the inconvenience of a scene caused by that angry money boy.

[Guest]

Very true but the small payment did get him out of my room quickly without any fuss.

 

You're completely right.   I would probably not be smart enough to make the same decision.

 

However this whole scam might explain why there are some Vietnamese fake money boys who seem to get along without actually offering any services.  He's just made the equivalent of 2.5 hours on the minimum wage (estimate above) & probably never had any intention of providing a honest service. 

So if he keeps getting paid, it works.  So it is necessary for some customers to break the cycle.

 

The key point is how to discourage such behaviour, without putting yourself at risk.

[firecat69]

I am constantly amazed in this thread and others where members are quite happy to pile on Viet boys in BKK for lack of service and yet we have some members who have taken the time and have cultivated good relationships.

 

I see no difference between Viet boys and boys from Jupiter in these discussions. It is obvious a high % are not gay and thus will offer less service then most boys especially if you want a Bottom who sucks and kisses.

 

If you know upfront that it is unlikely you will be rewarded with the type of visit you like then just don't off those types. I was a slow learner with Jupiter and would never waste my time there again.

 

The only experience I have with Viet boys are in Hanoi and I found them just as willing as most boys in Thailand.

 

At some point I would guess some Gay Viet boys will come to BKK to make money. I guess the question is if that happened will they be welcomed by the straight Viet Boys who are already there?

[paulsf]

There are several gay Vietnamese boys working in Bangkok and they are all accepted and friends with the straight boys. As with most SE Asians, nationalism is more important than sexual identity.

[vinapu]

I am constantly amazed in this thread and others where members are quite happy to pile on Viet boys in BKK for lack of service and yet we have some members who have taken the time and have cultivated good relationships.

 

 

I don't see  anything unusual , everybody goes by his own experience which may vary for many reasons. In many cases statistic sample is too small to form standing opinion . So somebody who had 2-3 bad encounters will be complaining and somebody 2-3 times happy will be singing praises but this may not reflect reality.

 

I can't say much about Viet boys but based on my experience I can say following about Cambodians - go-go /2 meetings / all excellent, massage boys / 4 encounters  / all disappointing to some degree/.

 

Is this enough to form an opinion ? I 'd venture absolutely no. It's why I keep trying without prejudice going by smile , face and body shape not nationality as long as they are SE Asians, LOL. 

[Guest]

Forget the hysteria.    It's already clear that some people have good experiences of Vietnamese boys, some have not so good experiences. 

 

All I'm saying is of one turns up at the hotel, does nothing, asks for a large sum of money & gets paid off with the equivalent of 2.5 hours on the Vietnam minimum range, well we can see how the non-performers make their money.

 

The same rules could apply for any nationality.  

 

I had one in Berlin (non-caucasian).  He was an absolute darling until the point where he walked into my room as if he owned the place. I knew instantly this was not going to work.  He then refused to take his shirt off.  

I opened the bedroom door and asked him to leave. As he refused, I propelled him towards the door at speed.  Just has he moved his arms to brace himself on the door frame, I moved my foot to trip him & he exited the room head first.

I shut the steel door to the apartment & he left quietly.

I've never had the need to do that in Thailand & also think it would be unwise to do so.  

 

However, as I was saying earlier, there can be non-performers of any Nationality.  

 

A more useful topic would be how to spot them in advance & how to get rid of them without rewarding their deception with money.    

[aussie_]

If i start propelling anybody out my room in HCM City or Thailand i am fairly sure i would meet with an accident out in the street later or worse.

[abidismaili]

If i start propelling anybody out my room in HCM City or Thailand i am fairly sure i would meet with an accident out in the street later or worse.

 

Unlikely, but indeed possible and that is why the best strategy is to pay a small tip to a non-performing moneyboy. Saves a lot of potential inconveniences which otherwise can occur.

 

On the other hand, what does it say about the average Thai or Vietnamese if after a fight with a foreigner their first priority is to kill him or ruin him? I never have that impulse when I feel angry at someone.

[ChristianPFC]

I know some risks are extremely unlikely, but still I rather pay 500 baht to get rid of him, ..

 

Then 500 baht is such a small fee to pay for this scam, compared to the inconvenience of a scene caused by that angry money boy.

 

In my opinion, 50 or max. 100 Baht would be the right amount to get your point across, i.e. a polite way to say "fuck you". With 500 Baht, many boys will think "Wow! 500 Baht for nothing! Let's try this again tomorrow!".

[ChristianPFC]

I am constantly amazed in this thread and others where members are quite happy to pile on Viet boys in BKK for lack of service and yet we have some members who have taken the time and have cultivated good relationships.

 

My underline. There is nothing wrong with that, but when I go in a brothel, I do not want to cultivate a relationship, I want to take a boy off the stage, like doing grocery shoping. I do cultivate relationships with some Thai boys who provide sex for money for me, because I speak their language and prices are reasonable (500 Baht, no drinks, no off fees).

[Guest]

With 500 Baht, many boys will think "Wow! 500 Baht for nothing! Let's try this again tomorrow!".

Agree completely.

 

The minimum daily wage in Thailand is 305 baht, so to pay someone 500 baht for nothing other than quietly leaving your room is a great incentive to repeat the scam as often as possible.  That's all hypothetical, since this issue was not in Thailand & I'm not aware of any such incidents in Thailand.

 

In this case, 50,000 dong was paid, which amounts to 76 baht. Only a modest incentive to repeat the scam.

[vinapu]

so to pay someone 500 baht for nothing other than quietly leaving your room is a great incentive to repeat the scam as often as possible.  That's all hypothetical, since this issue was not in Thailand & I'm not aware of any such incidents in Thailand.

 

 

not entirely hypothetical as per my own experience  described here in my Nov 2013 report .

 

to make story short Dreamboy boy  ( Thai ) refused to undress, no to mention shower and further deeds, after a while I asked him to leave   and following drama including call to mamasan and rising at least half of occupants of Om Yim  hotel prompted me to push him out of door waving 1000 baht not to be received on corridor only.

 

He left escorted by me downstairs as I wanted to avoid more hell but let me tell you I was not popular occupant there judging by stares of staff and some occupants in the morning, one of them , Belgian even asked me later on what the hell we were doing at night . 

 

So no fault of mine , worst 1000 baht spent ever and I still have feeling I bought my way out of trouble

cheaply.

 

 

I was not shy to report all that to mamasan at Dreamboys next night  but boy in question is still on the scene,but not at Dreamboys and  apparently mend his ways.

 

Z909 is right , all that amounts to blackmailing and scaming , creating unduly incentive to cheat but we need sometimes to weigh our principles against  getting out of trouble fast.

[firecat69]

Botton line this sort of thing happens so seldom, that a small payoff so as not to face things we may not want to face is much easier.

 

I am more likely to be robbed by a pump in a gas station that reads high. ( yes happened to me)in the USA.

[aussie_]

Most of my experiences with Vietnamese money boys or free guys in Vietnam has been good. Two of my best friends i met here in Vietnam. Very reliable guys i have known for two years and never asked for anything except advise and are very considerate and great to spend time with.

 

I have been in HCM city since last Tuesday. One guy who works in a hotel took me for lunch and refused to let me pay for anything as much as i offered. Another very sweet baker boy from a nearby shopping mall visits me after work every day, we have fun and hang out together. He was a bit embarrassed when i paid over 300k dong for a meal at the Vincom food mall and took me for some great pho noodle soup in a tiny restaurant near Bu Vien the next night for about 80k dong for food and drinks for the both of us.

 

Others just like to go for coffee and practice english. One guy told me he loves talking with foreigners because we can discuss subjects that his Vietnamese friends are not interested in.

 

I find the stunning beauty of the Vietnamese apparent everywhere i go here from the shirtless guys packing up the Ben Thahn market around 1130pm at night and the Nguyen Hue walking street is amazing for Twink eye candy. I don't need any other sightseeing than walking around the streets and shopping malls, they are everywhere you look from the guy collecting dishes in a restaurant to the barber boys and baristas.

[steveboy]

A more useful topic would be how to spot them in advance & how to get rid of them without rewarding their deception with money.    

 

I second your opinion,  this would be very helpful if it is possible.

[steveboy]

I find the stunning beauty of the Vietnamese apparent everywhere i go here from the shirtless guys packing up the Ben Thahn market around 1130pm at night and the Nguyen Hue walking street is amazing for Twink eye candy. I don't need any other sightseeing than walking around the streets and shopping malls, they are everywhere you look from the guy collecting dishes in a restaurant to the barber boys and baristas.

 

Oh... why couldn't we have a little of that in my city?  The places here that should offer some attraction like gyms, bars, saunas are mostly frequented by plump American guys with very few nice Asians in between, and then one's eyes get stressed by following them with exclusion of everyone else...

[colmx]

when I go in a brothel, I do not want to cultivate a relationship, I want to take a boy off the stage, like doing grocery shoping.

That may explain some of your bad luck with offs...

There is a Laos boy called Pet that you mention recently in your blog, I have met Pet and had and absolutely great night out with him followed by some of the most passionate sex i have had in recent years...

 

Perhaps that great sex was because I tried to cultivate a relationship?

[steveboy]

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[ChristianPFC]

That may explain some of your bad luck with offs...

There is a Laos boy called Pet that you mention recently in your blog, I have met Pet and had and absolutely great night out with him followed by some of the most passionate sex i have had in recent years...

 

Perhaps that great sex was because I tried to cultivate a relationship?

 

There is some truth in this. Unfortunately, the only common ground I have with most boys is that I want to get my hands into their pants, and they want to get their hands into my wallet. What you call "an absolutely great night out" probably involved disco, alcohol, loud music, singing, dancing, all of which is anathema to me.

 

Every now and then I take a boy to daytime activities (temples, museums, parks, and the like), but those who are interested and can walk a few kilometer are rare. And then you have the problem of either keeping them over night or meeting them in the morning.

 

I am grooming some boys (all over 18 years old) in Bangkok, you could call that "cultivate a relationship", and it comes at a lower price tag (500 Baht for sex and between 100 and 300 when we meet and don't have sex, although I had had soft moments where I gave 1000 for mocy repair or sick mother), vs. average 400 off fee and 1000 tip for boys from bars in Pattaya.

[steveboy]

There is some truth in this. Unfortunately, the only common ground I have with most boys is that I want to get my hands into their pants, and they want to get their hands into my wallet. What you call "an absolutely great night out" probably involved disco, alcohol, loud music, singing, dancing, all of which is anathema to me.

 

I read this as the honest truth, and I find here so much in common with my thinking.  I like objectivity of intentions, good understanding.  Although I have never been in their position, I imagine that money boys would like the same, not interested in starting a romance with each customer.

 

This does not mean that good manners, friendliness and generosity are out of place.  When I buy groceries at the store I never treat any of their personnel in a bad way, instead I smile and overlook their eventual bad moods, and as result they know me and are glad to see me.  But I am only there for the groceries, and if they overcharge me I don't hesitate to let them know.

 

So far I have only been once with a money boy (in Pattaya 12 years ago) and I made sure that he enjoyed it as much as I did, or at least he made it appear so...  I would never enjoy doing it with someone who obviously is forced to do it for the money.

 

I can have a great night out with disco, alcohol, dancing, loud music and heavy smoking as an infrequent reminder of earlier days, but not as a necessary means to some sex.

[aussie_]

Some advise if you are coming to Vietnam. I am in HCM City now and heading to DaNang tomorrow and then Hanoi. Most of the professional money boys on the apps here state clearly in their profiles that they are a money boy. The university students and others who might need money but do not like being thought of as money boys are asking for "taxi money" and from my experience between 200-500k dong. Some are free but if you are really keen on someone and they are hesitating it is best to ask them if they need some help with taxi money to reach your hotel. Don't just ask them "how much for sex?" which may work for some but in my opinion not the best method here.

 

As mentioned earlier in this thread i had a guy who visited my room and asked for 400k dong taxi money but was tired and would return later for sex. From his attitude I did not believe he would return and gave him 50k dong to get him out of my room without any hassles. In hindsight i should have sent him away with nothing and told him that i would pay the taxi money when he returned. The feedback from other posters made me rethink the situation.

[vinapu]

Some advise if you are coming to Vietnam. I am in HCM City now and heading to DaNang tomorrow and then Hanoi.

in my opinion this is better way of visiting Vietnam , from south to north which is more interesting  instead of other way around which was my mistake in it's day.

 

You should send non performing boy with nothing but you sent him with 50 000 because you have a good heart and I would do the same , but not before extracting from him at least some prolonged hug.

[steveboy]

... but not before extracting from him at least some prolonged hug.

 

Good principle of not leaving anything to waste.