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[Guest Aunty]

At the university where I work plagiarism, like everywhere else I guess, is treated with the utmost seriousness. At best it is a blatant form of dishonesty by the perpetrator who, with clear intent, sets out to deceive his reader. At worst, it is straight out theft of property, denying the original author the full benefits and accolades of his work, while endeavouring to claim those benefits for himself.

 

 

Most Universities have strict policies on plagiarism which when proven, typically result in quite harsh penalties. The most serious cases result in expulsion, withdrawal of the work (if it has been published as a thesis, publication or essay) and a permanent note attached to a person

[Guest ToyFan]

I write this from a position of strict neutrality.

 

There seems to be a mild battle going on now re plagarism of copywrited materials and copywrites, in general, in Thailand, Asia and about everywhere else; much to do with the internet. (One reason why no serious author publishes on the internet or writes anything at all, if he has a brain in his head.)

 

It looks like many companies, publications & web sites in Thailand and elsewhere use something called Copyscape:

http://www.copyscape.com/

for info re Copyscape.

Several sites I looked at have a ..."protected by Copyscape"... warning at the end of a page.

 

Google: Copyscape Pattaya and several items come up: Pattaya Directory, Rainbow Productions, Timeshare Adventures...about 813 pages in all. The item re Pattaya Directory says, "Do not copy this page "exactly, we do regular on-line checks using Copyscape."

"Exactly?" as though it all wasn't confusing enough.

 

But the law, the little I could find on it, seems vague, so what can they do if they catch someone copying from someone else's paper? Maybe they send a gatoey (Cop-py!) gang to copy your designer frocks and escape?

Or maybe they turn you into a gatoey. Ouch!

 

Universities regularly check student papers for plagarism. Then comes the (Duh!) arguement, 'Since you are drawing on, and quoting, other sources to compose the paper...&c', but what they are looking for is 'direct' copys: all exactly alike; or same but with content merely rearranged: from other students or on-line (Cheater's) "services."

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[Guest Pearl69er]

Get back into your box khaolakguy and take Hedda with you and take this from someone who knows much about the newspaper and publishing industry having been in it most of my life. Trying to use this as yet another attempt to give Earwig a boot up the back side is as sad as it comes. The only copyright owned by Pattaymail are stories they write but as this story is a repeat word for word of a press release issued by the Pattaya police I doubt they have little interest in pursuing anyone.

 

It's about time the tiny handful of Earwig nitwit haters took a cold shower ,a lie down ,a handful of valium and found a new hobby.

 

EARWIG:

 

You say this :My sourses have now investigated more on Mr. Andreas Hubbinger, a German national who was arrested last week and found out more to the story.

 

that is all you need to say. Do not explain your self any further . You have no need to. You have clearly stated that you have a source ( sic) and you have not presented this as your own work. That source can be anything from a publication to the chief of police to someone in a bar to Catawampus. It is others who should apologise to you for their utterley disgraceful campaign to malign you.

[Guest Snowkat]

The first attack on this thread was posted by none other than you. As far as I can tell, your attack was not against the content of the post. It was because Ear Wig was the person that posted it.

Read again, dearie. The first attack on this thread was #8 which was NOT posted by me!

My post (#4) was commenting on something the police chief said and did not mention the insect or anyone else at all.

 

You're not only blinkered to EW's faults and/or willing to condone or excuse them without question, you're also blind as well !

 

Addendum - Having just read your following post I have to admit and congratulate you on your critical comments of EW's action. I therefore apologise to you for saying "You're not only blinkered to EW's faults and/or willing to condone or excuse them without question". In this case that is not true.

[Gaybutton]

The only copyright owned by Pattaymail are stories they write but as this story is a repeat word for word of a press release issued by the Pattaya police I doubt they have little interest in pursuing anyone.

 

Sorry, but I disagree with you. First, this article was not published in 'Pattaya Mail.' It was published in 'Pattaya People.' Second, I see nothing in the article that says this is a press release. Are you suggesting that the Ear Wig post is a plagiarism of another plagiarism?

 

Even if it is, now that the article has been pointed out, it seems clear to me that an attempt was made to present this information as a result of his own investigation, and not as a result of what he read in an article. If that was not so, then why the deceptive changing of wording? An illustration of that is as follows:

 

from the PATTAYA PEOPLE article: "Pattaya People Newspaper & TV exclusively asked Police Colonel Sutin Sappuang . . ."

 

from the Ear Wig post: "My contacts asked Police Colonel Sutin Sappuang . . ."

 

If Ear Wig was attempting simply to present information, then why would he not have copied and pasted the article and also have cited the source? Why would he have changed wording in this manner?

 

Perhaps he did nothing illegal. I don't know. But it does seem to be perfectly clear what kind of attempt was made here.

 

Again, I'm sorry, but I have been adamant about the unfairness of accusations without evidence. I still feel that way. Nothing has changed about that. However, the evidence seems to me to be quite clear. All this time Ear Wig could simply have said that his information came from the 'Pattaya People' article. He chose not to do so. To my mind, the truly sad thing is the destruction of his credibility as a result of this.

 

I would have been happy to see him do the same thing he advises others to do, and that is to "be a man" about it and own up to it. I would have retained my full respect for him had he done so. Instead, I am now seeing nothing but trying to somehow justify this by posting claims that Hedda also plagiarizes and therefore there is no reason why he should not. However, I have never seen anything written by Hedda that was copied and left un-cited, and also an attempt to present the work as his own. What I do see, in Ear Wig's responses, is similar to what I hear from children when they are caught . . . "But he did it too."

 

I believe Ear Wig is dead wrong this time and I also believe he ought to assure us that he will not repeat this sort of thing.

[Guest Pearl69er]

I feel you are being guided by prejudicial feelings towards Earwig Gaybutton.

 

You obviously do not know about the newspaper world although I hesitate to call something like the Pattaya People a "newspaper" although I suppose we can call it publication. If you don't know about the world of press release's then I'm not going to illuminate you and I repeat: Earwig clearly says : his sourses ( sic) which lets him off the hook..now get of your high horse because you have a whole world out there and a trillion tricky uses of how people choose to deceminate information and how Earwig chose to tell this story was a small piece of literary licence and no more.

 

You are straying into the realms of being a very large drama queen and a pompous one at that.

 

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nb: what does shine through in this thread is the most extraordinary things that are not said:

khaolakguy came weighing in about the Pattaya Mail which was completely inaccurate which certainly took me in..likewise Hedda who loves to be thought of as a literary giant demands a man prove his innocence as does all others..rather than that is the time honoured legal fashion-they prove he is guilty which they certainly haven't done yet.

 

But most disheartening of all-is that not one person has questioned the sordid story itself. It is simply accepted that the seedy story as presented in the Pattaya People is true. No proof provided. No court case. Just cheap sensationalism. There is more than one Kangaroo Court going on here.

[Gaybutton]

You are straying into the realms of being a very large drama queen and a pompous one at that.

 

That just brings tears to my eyes. Whatever faults I have, they do not include deliberate deception. If that makes me a pompous drama queen, then I'm a pompous drama queen. If you want to justify that behavior, that's your affair, but I have a feeling there won't be many people sharing your view. I see no justification at all in trying to cause people to believe something that simply isn't true.

 

You are entitled to feel that I am guided by prejudice, and I'm glad to see that you stated that as an opinion, but you can rest assured that I would feel the same way, and say so, no matter who had pulled a stunt like that.

 

I've been wrong many times. When I feel I am wrong on the message boards I always publicly admit it and apologize for it, which is more than I can say for a few other people who post here. In this case I do not share your opinion and I also do not resort to name calling, referring to people as "drama queen" and "pompous." I'm surprised that you do. I thought you were above that sort of thing. I'm disappointed to see that you are not.

 

Snowkat, I appreciate your addendum and there is no need for an apology.

[TotallyOz]

When I was in Freshmen Composition, one of the first things we did was to learn about proper citation. Any misuse of this would get us a Failed grade for the paper.

 

EarWig did not properly cite the article. It has been edited by administration. EarWig has submitted himself to corporal punishment. We have ordered a paddle sent in from a conservative Catholic school in England. I am sure after the 20 lashings; he will cease to improperly site articles again.

 

[khaolakguy]

I am sure after the 20 lashings; he will cease to improperly site articles again.

 

Yes dear, and I have heard that pigs are flying over Jomtien.

 

As for your moderator, he was told that the article was stolen from elsewhere, and failed to do the most elemenatary checking. I had never even heard of the "Pattaya People", but you all live in Pattaya, so presumably you had. This is after all the self proclaimed "Gay Thailand Information Source"!

[Gaybutton]

As for your moderator, he was told that the article was stolen from elsewhere, and failed to do the most elemenatary checking. I had never even heard of the "Pattaya People", but you all live in Pattaya, so presumably you had. This is after all the self proclaimed "Gay Thailand Information Source"!

 

Assuming "your moderator" refers to me, then I agree with you. You're right. I should have searched for the actual article and I did not. Obviously I have lived to regret not having done so. That was a failure on my part. I admit it and I apologize for it.

[TotallyOz]

but you all live in Pattaya, so presumably you had. This is after all the self proclaimed "Gay Thailand Information Source"!

 

1. I do not live in Pattaya. Again, your information is incorrect.

2. I don't think Pattaya People is a magnet for the gay society in Pattaya.

 

Thanks for your kind comments and support.

 

Assuming "your moderator" refers to me, then I agree with you. You're right. I should have searched for the actual article and I did not. Obviously I have lived to regret not having done so. That was a failure on my part. I admit it and I apologize for it.

 

Actually, we were told Pattaya Mail and I went there and searched it over. I also did an internet search on google and found nothing. GayButtton, you are not required to spend your day and night verifying all information. This is a free public forum and the amount of time you give to us is much appreciated. No one expects you to know all and to catch all issues. You have nothing to apologize for!

[khaolakguy]

1. I do not live in Pattaya. Again, your information is incorrect.

2. I don't think Pattaya People is a magnet for the gay society in Pattaya.

 

Actually, we were told Pattaya Mail and I went there and searched it over.

 

When you say "again" your information is incorrect, what previous occasion are you referring to, in order to justify the "again"?

 

If you don't live in Pattaya where do you live?

 

Pattaya People may not be a magnet for the gay society in Pattaya, if such a thing exists, but just how many newspapers are there in Pattaya that would contain the information that exists in Earwig's post?

 

Nobody told you Pattaya Mail. I merely quoted the warning from there regarding unauthorised reproduction of their articles as a cautionary note. When Gaybutton queried that post, I pointed out the obvious, that Earwig had clearly not authored the post placed under his name.

 

 

Gaybutton, thank you for your gracious apology. You provide much useful information generously, perhaps it would be best supplied as a poster rather than a moderator.

 

[Guest Geezer]

[TotallyOz]

however he risks loosing the respect of students if certain norms are breeched.

 

I can't quite imagine you as a student. I would call you more of a Master Teacher than a student. Thanks for the image though.

[Up2u]

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We have been in school enough to recognize a teacher

[Guest stef]

Assuming "your moderator" refers to me, then I agree with you. You're right. I should have searched for the actual article and I did not. Obviously I have lived to regret not having done so. That was a failure on my part. I admit it and I apologize for it.

 

GB, There is absolutely NOTHING you should be sorry for . And please do NOT apologize to those who should really really think twice before saying something.

I just can't believe this.

 

I have stated in my early post that I personnallly enter every " NEWS " in the news section of this site. And Every news that I enter, that it is from CHINA or from ANTARTICA, has the original link from where it comes from, and from who wrote it. that's the least I can do.

http://www.gaythailand.com/index.php?file=news

 

You know there is a menu in the top of this site. If you can see it, then CLICK IT. That's where all the news are entered. It is located right next to " CHAT "

 

This specific article was already entered days ago and has the proper link to pattayapeople.

So don't come here and ask US moderator to apologize for something that is not needed.

 

 

 

It comes to my attention that there are even 2 posts about this.

 

One on december 8 and one on december 12.

[Gaybutton]

GB, There is absolutely NOTHING you should be sorry for .

 

Thank you GayThailand and Stef.

 

To my mind, there is one person who owes GayThailand, you, definitely me, and everyone else who visits this web site an apology. There has not been one and I do not foresee one forthcoming, especially in light of his statement, one that I resent seeing more than any of them: "This is fun."

 

Baht-Stop has punished him by public admonishment and probable suspension. In my opinion, the fact that he has managed to ruin his own credibility is punishment enough for a personality type like that. The problem now is that none of his future posts are likely to be taken seriously. That will probably include the bragging, name dropping, claims of hundreds of daily E-mails, claims of spies, and other forms of self aggrandizement so common in his posts. Even when future posts are the result of his own research and observations and are absolutely true, few are likely to believe him anymore. It really is sad.

 

I don't know what else to say other than " Humpty Dumpty had a great fall."

[Guest ear wig]

Im so sorry if I have offended any one.

 

It is such a shame when some one like me and a few others do not understand fully the legal ramifications of writing to an open forum, I only hope any one who quotes me will give me a mention in future.

 

I have now just found out that a major writer on this channel who is NOT or does not copy verbatim what is said, you have to rehash it in your own words, I had no idea!! even though I have seen it so cleverly done for years, thank you for all your interest in me. I hope this is in keeping with my apology I do humbly hope Im forgiven.

 

says ear wig

 

P.s

 

Quote from pearl69er :- " take this from someone who knows much about the newspaper and publishing industry having been in it most of my life"

 

Thanks for all your many emails of backing and Advise, Guyz, considering I take note from one guy who is a Senior Journalist oh yes its pearl69er, who is a well known Newspaper Man, who has worked on the most famous Newspapers around the World for Rupert Murdoch and lives in New York now writing for Murdoch's fox News tv stations and Pattaya part time, he tells me I have done nothing wrong and I respect his opinion.

 

But as it is Christmas Im man enough to say sorry, so I hope you all take it as a jesture of good willi..

[Guest Pearl69er]

Talk about a beat up-this is one of the best I've seen from a bunch of bored folk in Pattaya who really should have better things to do. Having seen it transfer over to Fart Stop has been a real hoot.

 

We have been talking about some gutter rags that make the News Of The World and UK "Sun" look like literary organs of pure magnificence ( and I confess I've contributed to both and accuracy and truth was never a requirement).

 

The only person who has turned out well in this charde has been Earwig who has once again demonstrated that after all the brickbats hurled at hm , he is capable of humility.

 

What a gentleman he truly is !

 

Welcome to the world of the internet where anarchy rules and little Napoleons are created daily !.

 

 

[Guest rainwalker]

While the apologies are flowing like water, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to LMTU/Ear-wig for an error made in an earlier post.

 

On Friday night, I was informed by a source that I trust that LMTU/Ear-wig did come for free drinks and conversations at the Second Annual Forums Meet and Greet. I said he didn't.

 

My error; my bad.

 

I write this in direct contravention of Baroness Orczy's maxim : "An apology? Bah! Disgusting! Cowardly! Beneath the dignity of any gentleman, however wrong he might be."

[Guest ear wig]

Your a true gentleman rainmaker, It is now proven I do not make things up, now also I dont tell lies. I just do not show my hand to all who ask I know a lot more then you can ever Imagine.

 

But I do not rehash written copy, this is my crime, as we have now confirmed I should of known seeing Hedda doing it for years.

 

Now I dont have to cry my self to sleep any more, that's right I dont have to

[TotallyOz]

Well, since we are all apologizing, I want to apologize to Stef. Last time I saw him in my pool, he was buck naked. It was hot! He has an amazing body. I had lustful thouhts. I am sorry Stef.

 

Seriously, EarWig and Rainwalker, you words are very appreciated and shows a great deal about your character.

[Gaybutton]

Well, since we are all apologizing, I want to apologize to Stef. Last time I saw him in my pool, he was buck naked. It was hot! He has an amazing body. I had lustful thouhts. I am sorry Stef.

 

And I have an apology for you. The last time I was in your pool, I was also buck naked. I apologize for not returning to help clean up after everyone finished vomiting.

[Guest ToyFan]

And I have an apology for you. The last time I was in your pool, I was also buck naked. I apologize for not returning to help clean up after everyone finished vomiting.

When you decide to be funny, you are REALLY funny! Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Gaybutton]

When you decide to be funny, you are REALLY funny! Thanks for the laugh.

 

Thank you. And people keep telling me I have no sense of humor. I don't know why. I laughed once in 1972.