Guest ear wig Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 (EDITED by ADMIN) The following article was erroneously placed on the site with improper citation. This post has been edited in its entirety by the Admin and replaced with the correct article with the proper citation. "Home Delivery - Underage Children Now we have reached a level of insanity that paedophiles are actually able to order over the phone, young underage children on Home Deliveries for their sexual pleasure. But the chief of Pattaya police, Police Colonel Sutin Sappuang, assured that paedophilia will be eradicated IN Pattaya. Pattaya People investigated more on Mr. Andreas Hubbinger, a German national who was arrested last week and found out more to the story. 53 year old Hubbinger was arrested on 7th December at the Copa Bar, Soi Sunee. It was discovered that this bar did not belonging to Hubbinger but belonged to a Thai lady who didn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Its so good to know now we all will be able to walk around Gay Pattaya with out seeing any boy selling himself under 18 how exciting, trouble is most of us will be dead by then I can agree with that statement and I hope your sources are correct. Another trouble is that I doubt this "gentleman" is the only one providing such "service." I'll bet there are others who simply have not yet been caught. It amazes me how the pedophile brigade manages to find out about such "services" in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ear wig Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I can agree with that statement and I hope your sources are correct. Another trouble is that I doubt this "gentleman" is the only one providing such "service." I'll bet there are others who simply have not yet been caught. It amazes me how the pedophile brigade manages to find out about such "services" in the first place. Unless you go around in a dream you cant help hear there is one Coffee bar In sunee I hear where at the back they huddle round talking about such things, the owner is well known as I hear he sold his apartment to allow him to continue in this vile trade, to pay for a previous arrest, but that's up to them I dont think most of us would have the heart for such a thing, let alone be interested in to such a small snack. I know for one I could never be turned on to an appetizer, when you can get on with the main course. easy big peeler with a big top for me. If you see me with a guy hes got what it takes for a third leg. And I have heard your not far be hind me Gaybutton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Snowkat Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 But the chief of Pattaya police, Police Colonel Sutin Sappuang, assured that paedophilia will be eradicated IN Pattaya. If the Chief is true to his word (and I sincerely hope he is), the sun is about to set on Sunee Plaza! The main attraction and reason for anyone to visit this otherwise seedy, dimly lit and unattractive backwater will disappear. It is long over-due ! However, given that this is Thailand, a publicity seeking clampdown by the police will get some headlines but will eventually fizzle out so that the sicko pedos will be able to return to the area with renewed vigour. What a pity ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 AndIi have heard your not far be hind me Gaybutton. If I am not far behind you, I hope to God you haven't been eating beans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaolakguy Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 WARNING! It has come to our attention that certain unscrupulous web masters are stealing news and photos for display on their websites. Pattaya Mail Publishing Co.Ltd. own the copy rights to materials published in the Pattaya Mail newspaper and on our website. We will prosecute any offenders to the fullest extent of Thai and International Law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 WARNING! I don't understand your post, Khaolakguy. I compared this post to the article in the PATTAYA MAIL ( see http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml#hd8 ) and I see no plagiarism. However, if the post, or parts of it, have been copied and pasted from another source, then the source definitely should have been cited. If the post is a result of plagiarism, then please point out the source of it so that the moderators can check. If it is discovered that the post has indeed been plagiarized it will be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaolakguy Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Gaybutton, you don't really believe that Earwig is capable of originating all the writing in that post? For a start, it contains punctuation, only a couple of spelling mistakes, and is comprehensible. You don't actually believe that all the information contained in the post came from Earwig's own " sourses (sic)"? That these "sourses" actually provided him with the number of the arrest warrant in Germany? No. 64739277 apparently. You don't actually believe that his contacts were discussing the case with Police Colonel Sutin? You don't actually believe that most, if not all the information contained in the post, names and ages etc of all involved, were obtained without recourse to someone else's article, whether that was from the Pattaya Mail or elsewhere? Earwig, or was it LMTU, regularly used to post complete articles on SWF forum without crediting the original sources, until the members there took to pointing out from where the articles were stolen. We all want to share information, but taking another persons work, and claiming it as your own is not on, and someday one of the gay Thailand boards is going to be hit because of it. I happened to read the warning on the Pattaya Mail website within an hour of reading this originating post, and thought it appropriate that it should be brought to the moderators and readers attention, because they appear to be getting ready to take some board on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Gaybutton, you don't really believe that Earwig is capable of originating all the writing in that post? I happened to read the warning on the Pattaya Mail website within an hour of reading this originating post, and thought it appropriate that it should be brought to the moderators and readers attention, because they appear to be getting ready to take some board on. I'm sure we all appreciate you pointing out the PATTAYA MAIL warning to us. Actually, it's been on their web site for the better part of three years and I, among others, am well aware of it. I do not make accusations or assumptions about others unless there is evidence. The idea that some may not believe Ear Wig is capable of posting anything coherent or that nothing he posts is credible is not a fact. It is an opinion. Unless someone can provide evidence that Ear Wig's post is a plagiarized post, then yes, I consider it valid. It does not matter what you think, what I think, or what anyone else thinks. What matters is whether there is supporting evidence for your negative assumption and there is none. Quite frankly, I'm sick to death of reading these continual attacks against Ear Wig. I don't like attacks against anybody at all. That's not what these boards are for and I don't believe this is why GayThailand invested his time and money in creating this web site. This childish war serves only to diminish the quality of the message boards. While I do think there have been posts by Ear Wig that provoke such attacks, there are people who are attacking anything and everything he writes, no matter what it is. Is this going to continue until there are no posts at all other than flames and hatred? I've seen posts from Ear Wig that challenge his detractors to meet with him personally when he returns and discuss your problems with him face-to-face. Why don't you do that? Hell, if there are enough people willing to attend such a meeting, maybe Niddy's Nook will cater it. If you and others are trying to convince GayThailand to ban Ear Wig, it is not going to happen, so you might as well forget it. Personally, I don't much care who likes him and who despises him. If you dislike him so much, then put him on "ignore." Then you don't have to read anything he posts. This nonsense has been going on far too long. What I'm seeing is personal hatred slowly but surely taking over this message board and also Baht-Stop. I don't always like what Ear Wig posts, but that's just too bad. He has as much right to post as anyone else and he will continue to have that right until and unless GayThailand decides otherwise. Perhaps this is the moment to remind everyone that this is GayThailand's web site and his message board. His money pays for it and it's up to him to decide who can and cannot post here and what posts are acceptable and what posts are not acceptable. I suggest that those who have a problem with that contact him by PM and discuss it with him rather than continuing this public war that is doing nothing but going around in ceaseless circles. If you don't like Ear Wig's manner, spelling, grammar, punctuation, or whatever it is that causes such hatred, then I suggest either leaving the board or, as I said, placing him on 'ignore." I'm seeing this whole thing is even causing people who have been personal friends to end up becoming enemies, and not just message board enemies, but true enemies in real life. WHY? I fail to see what purpose is served. As far as I'm concerned, this is the most ridiculous, childish garbage I have witnessed since the inception of any of the gay Thailand message boards. It goes on and on and never stops. I can't speak for others, but I've seen enough of it. I think everyone is familiar with the phrase, "Nothing is certain except death and taxes." Maybe we should add, "and attacks on Ear Wig." Why not? We've got plenty already, and we'll see plenty more tomorrow as well. It's become a given. My opinion is that these message boards ought to be here to provide information and discussion relative to the gay Thailand community. I do not think these boards ought to be here to provide a place for people to post hatred. I have opposed that for many years and I still oppose it. It's ruining these message boards. I wish all of you would call a truce. How many more hate posts do we have to see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Snowkat Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 If you don't like Ear Wig's manner, spelling, grammar, punctuation, or whatever it is that causes such hatred, then I suggest either leaving the board or, as I said, placing him on 'ignore." Earwig has brought the 'hatred' as you call it on himself. He lies constantly : 1) accusing people of being paedophiles 2) saying he knows who other members are and threatening to expose them for undefined misdemeanours but when challenged refuses to answer (even when a 200,000 Baht donation to a reputable charity is on offer) 3) claiming people have been banned from boards when they haven't (and refuses to back up his claims, instead studiously ignoring those challenging him to give details of the handles and boards from which the person is supposed to have been banned). He makes disparaging remarks about other members' physical characteristics. He resorts to vitriolic attacks and name-calling against anyone he takes exception to or who challenges him. He has been known to threaten them with physical violence, albeit that it is obvious he hasn't a clue who these people really are. He highjacks threads purely for his own ego-centric pleasure and self-aggrandisement, destroying otherwise interesting and informative subjects. He cuts and pastes articles from various sources and then modifies them to make them appear that they are his own work presumably to boost his already inflated ego. It is these actions which offend people. So many so-called attackers can't be all wrong or making up stories about him. Your suggestion that people who don't like what he posts should leave the board or put him on 'ignore' is a cop out. Why should others suffer for his sociopathic behaviour when he is the person in the wrong?. We all know that he is one of your favoured few but your blind defence of him really is bordering on the ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 We all know that he is one of your favoured few but your blind defence of him really is bordering on the ridiculous. He is NOT one of GayButton's favoured few for sure. If you think that, you really do not know GayButton at all. All of the above he does on this board? I have not seem them. Perhaps I am blind. But, once again, a thread about a subject that could have brought so much information has once again been turned into a thread about EarWig. That is NOT his fault. He did not derail the thread. Stick to the topic and not to the poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Your suggestion that people who don't like what he posts should leave the board or put him on 'ignore' is a cop out. Like hell it is. I'll be the one who decides who my 'favored few' are, thank you very much. And it's no cop out. You think I'm defending him? Not so. I'm opposing attacks, whether directed at him, coming from him, and any attacks coming from or directed toward anyone at all. I don't care whether every attacker is right or wrong. The attacks don't belong on the boards in the first place. Is that what you think these boards are for? As far as I'm concerned, that's the issue and Ear Wig is only a part of the issue. If Ear Wig stopped posting right now and never posted again, how long do you think it would be before someone else becomes the next object of flames and hate posts? This sort of thing has been going on for years. Are you under the impression that Ear Wig is the first? There have been many more before anyone ever heard of him. The first attack on this thread was posted by none other than you. As far as I can tell, your attack was not against the content of the post. It was because Ear Wig was the person that posted it. I think enough is enough and these boards ought to get back to what they were designed to do instead of all this crap. Do you disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lovedandlost Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 WARNING! It has come to our attention that certain unscrupulous web masters are stealing news and photos for display on their websites. Pattaya Mail Publishing Co.Ltd. own the copy rights to materials published in the Pattaya Mail newspaper and on our website. We will prosecute any offenders to the fullest extent of Thai and International Law. I guess what you just did is exactly what you are complaining about. Copy and Paste contents from others... Hello Wake up ... <<<<<<<<<WARNING>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stef Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I guess what you just did is exactly what you are complaining about. Copy and Paste contents from others... Hello Wake up ... <<<<<<<<<WARNING>>>>>>> Well I would not go that far... If you check the " News " section of this site, you can see that every time I add something, I automatically add a link from the site and from who it was written... That's the least I can do... we should all do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaolakguy Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 My posting was never about personalitites or hate or whatever the Moderators responses appear to have accused me of. It was about the fact that the opening post was clearly not the work of the author, based on commonsense and previous posting history. If it had been posted by someone else I would also have drawn attention to this and asked that the original author be credited. Are you guys really telling me that you believe that the detailed information in the opening post came from the "authors" contacts, rather than from a newspaper article?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Are you guys really telling me that you believe that the detailed information in the opening post came from the "authors" contacts, rather than from a newspaper article?!! It doesn't matter what we believe. It only matters what can be proved. You claim it came from a newspaper article, un-cited. It appears to be so and common sense also tells me that at least part of that is so. But I made no accusation and relying on common sense is not evidence. Since you did, all you need to do now is point out from which news article the post was plagiarized. Then you'll be proven right instead of asking people to simply assume you're right. For weeks now I've been reading post after post accusing Ear Wig of lying and cheating people out of money. I have also been asking that somebody, anybody, show proof or at least a shred of evidence of even one lie or one instance of him cheating people out of money. I've been asking that even one person who was the victim of being cheated for money post something and say so. And not a single one of the accusers has come up with anything at all. Nothing. I've been saying all along, if you are so ready and eager to accuse someone of lying or cheating, then post the evidence. Post something beyond the hearsay and innuendo. And nobody has. That is what I oppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ear wig Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Wow Snowy I did not know you liked me so much, sounds as If you have loved and lost me. The bitterness is ozzzzzzzing from my screen, you should not be so envious of me, its just not healthy. Calm down boys! I know you have been starved of any one to put your knives in to, but really 9 days till christmas. No Im not really into cut and paste we have others who are expert at that, I think it is wonderful because we learn so many important snippets of information, so what's the problem with that. Dont worry I can write perrrrrfectly well if you saw ear wig years ago when he first came to town, I had no problem there but when I do write properly, I find illiterate people like you just cant understand me, so I have to write as you read, backwards........see here you just dont understand me when I do my research and concentrate. Its beyond me why any one would want to breath fire because some one cut and paste, its only a game because you could never write anything Interesting, if some one keeps coming up with Informative tit bits like wow pow and gaybutton we read things that would never normally see the light of day who cares who writes it, why should it wind you up to such a level you spit fire, unless your the insane jealousy type, I bet really you are an old softy if we met you, but you just cant stand any one beat you as they seem to constantly doing here when I come to slap them around in my alto ego. Go back into your coffin retract your teeth and try to wake up in the New Year as Im sure no one will be enjoying your company, in case you turn on them. Lets hope the New year is better for you.Dont worry I have left a few mistakes here for you to complain about after all its what you do best and are known for so I dont want to disapoint you. Oh by the way leave your poison Pen at Fart-stop the flaming Terrorist Hide Out, go there and stir up that hornets nest, then see if its not a dumping ground for bitterness a jealousy, dont bring your type of posting here, we are a genteel bunch here and have a sense of humor.Oh I forgot your alrady there doing the same. "Snowy" But thanks for taking the trouble to mention me again, I know you love me really well I think you do or are you just unloved poor thing \ P.s And to that wicked person who just masaged me to say Gay button loves me because if I was not here making many poeple hate me, we would all be hating him as they did on Gaybutton how wicked, gaybutton is blossoming since all the stress of Gaybutton past has died down now. Gaybutton now says quote:- "If you don't like Ear Wig's manner, spelling, grammar, punctuation, or whatever it is that causes such hatred, then I suggest either leaving the board or, as I said, placing him on 'ignore." If you thought they were friends they were not gaybutton i cnat belive you had what you though were friends now do not want to speak to you because theyc an not blackmail you inot deleteing me from the air how amazing your so lucky to be rid of them. I can honestly say all my friends are still there for me around the world, I have lost none do you know why, because they know the real me and under this alto-ego there is the most fun amusing guy waiting to give you the time of your life, nice genuine people love me, idiots and jelouse unloved people who usually have had a very hard time of it in life hate me. Good luck to you and lucky for me, I always want to be like a cross to the devil to nasty people who only want to put a knive in your back, Im having fun, shame your looking from the distance fuming, so sad really if you came out of the shadows and had a sence of humor may be you would have genuine friends also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KhunPA Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 "Home Delivery - Underage Children Now we have reached a level of insanity that paedophiles are actually able to order over the phone, young underage children on Home Deliveries for their sexual pleasure. But the chief of Pattaya police, Police Colonel Sutin Sappuang, assured that paedophilia will be eradicated IN Pattaya. Pattaya People investigated more on Mr. Andreas Hubbinger, a German national who was arrested last week and found out more to the story. 53 year old Hubbinger was arrested on 7th December at the Copa Bar, Soi Sunee. It was discovered that this bar did not belonging to Hubbinger but belonged to a Thai lady who didn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hedda Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Ooops. He did it again. I think it's what they used to call "the smoking gun" in the Watergate scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaolakguy Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Ooops. He did it again. I think it's what they used to call "the smoking gun" in the Watergate scandal. Having pointed out the blindingly obvious, and for doing so been castigated by the Moderators as being part of some malevolent hate campaign, I look forward to the sincere apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Having pointed out the blindingly obvious, and for doing so been castigated by the Moderators as part of some hate campaign, I look forward to the apology. Considering it was discovered and posted by KhunPA, I see no reason why an apology is owed to you, but acknowledgement is certainly owed to KhunPA for taking the time to find this and bring it to light. However, it does turn out that you were proven right and I certainly do acknowledge that as well since there is no longer any question about it and no way to deny it. That's the first solid evidence I've seen in all these weeks. Your opinion is now a confirmed fact and the article was copied, but not cited, and it does indeed seem as if Ear Wig attempted to post this as if it was his own writing and his own discovery when it clearly was not. Ear Wig, would you care to explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up2u Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 He even changed the 8th paragraph stating the "Pattaya People Newspaper & TV exclusively" to "My contacts". The OP has an unbelievably large ego and certainly has been discredited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ear wig Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Yes Ill have to stop listening to Hedda she said I have to make my self look more Intelligent now see what a fine mess you got me into, I dont know how youg et away with it. Oh of course Thanks Hedda you just rewrite it, silly old me why did you not tell me B) Sorry guyz Ill have to do that in future who cares who wrote it, Im only giving you the information its how you interprit it and I thought you was going to say I make this stuff up. no one has ever accused me of that yet, only a matter of time lets face it Ive been accused of just about everything else this is fun. I hear from the inside Hedda is now is so angy he is breathing fire to get me off the fart-stop as I have made him look as though he cant write everything he writes by him self, well he has been doing a good job copying everything he can read and changing it into his own words for years, but Im the only one who has ever stood up to him, and now he is going to do everything in his power to get rid of me. I have no idea who he is going to stick the knives into if Im asked to leave. You watch if they get rid of me they wil be so happy as it is a terroists hideout, so they can chew me over with out me butting in, as if they have me blind folded, gagged, hands tied behind behind my back, then head butting me in there terrorist camp for days after. God they are desparate people its all them and what they want if you have a different stand point a dig in the balls for you. be warned my words will come to haunt them soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hedda Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I don't think that Gaybutton has anything to apologize for. He was stating a very appropriate board position and standard that plagiarism has to be proved, not simply accused, in order for any board to take action against the alleged offender. If anyone owes an apology here, it's the plagiarist who knew he was guilty of stealing someone else's work, but allowed this whole thing to descend into a totally unnecessary and acrimonious debate. I have the sinking feeling, however, that the guy who's responsible for creating this mess, and who seems to find this "fun", could not care less. I suppose it's hard to respect other people's creative intellectual property when you don't know or care where the key for quotation marks is on the keyboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 this is fun. Not to me it isn't. I'm feeling betrayed. When someone destroys his own credibility, then I think fun time is over. Part of the title you created for this thread was "At last the truth can be told." I believe that is exactly what has taken place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
