Man hunting among ruins - December 2016 trip to Cambodia and Thailand

[vinapu]

 

 

One think that was missing was some pictures of the people you came across in your travels - particularly the cute guys.

 

 I had to imagine what they looked like as, but sometimes imagination might  not be as good as reality. A photo would have  been nice.

 

All the photos in your account added a lot to it, but I don't think there was a human in any of them.

I understand and I have  plenty such voices after all my trips wherever they were.

 

Generally speaking I take very little pictures and never with people on them unless they ask or find their way to a picture by accident.

 

I know I should since I don't have pictures of boys you mention even for my own consumption so to speak. But this is me.

 

Few times I took pictures of or with boys on their initiative, some I still have them but  would never show/post them without their consent which I'm not even looking for. So for example world will not see Barcode boy at Preah Khan where I took several pictures at his request, sent to him  already. If he posts them somewhere I have no problem with it but I don't.

 

All this idiosyncrasy has actually nothing to do with maintaining privacy as most would suspect.

 

I simply think that instead of admiring beauty of people or nature we spent too much time and energy taking pictures of them.

Weird?, No?

[Vessey]

Yes you can and if you ask there's always danger I will answer so be prepared for a bit of boring numerical post.

 

 

total about 11500 = 320 USD

 

fun = priceless

 

 

Having said I budgeted 10k a day there were days when I went to 12k or so. 

 

Having said that, I think your manage your money better than me in that you seems to have had more 'fun' for your money than perhaps I do - although at almost 63 I am probably a fair bit older than you by the sounds of things.

 

All I can say is 'well played sir!', 'very well played!'.

[vinapu]

 

Having said that, I think your manage your money better than me in that you seems to have had more 'fun' for your money than perhaps I do - although at almost 63 I am probably a fair bit older than you by the sounds of things.

 

All I can say is 'well played sir!', 'very well played!'.

Generally speaking my strategy is to spent as little as possible on the maintenance - hence fying in economy, sleeping in 30$, not 130 $ hotels and eating rather bland food in ordinary places and only food treat I succumb to lavishly is ice cream from 7/11 for 17 baht.

 

Fact that I'm not big on Asian food and don't take heat well  helps to reduce food bill, never big in Thailand anyways.

 

In bars rarely I get carried over like some farangs I observe buying drinks to everybody in sight and his brother - this is not to criticize , just an observation as we all have our own way of having fun. I'm not really bar person and if there's no show I rather buy a drink, pick a boy and run ASAP.

 

On another hand I tend to be on generous side with those who allow themselves to get intimate with me , tipping perhaps too much specially in Pattaya where I tip  Bangkok rates perhaps way too lavishly. At least I realize that and if I sense boys are trying to take an advantage of me , there's abrupt good bye even if my heart is bleeding. This was a case with Tawan boys this trip.

 

I like to have a fun and being milked may be fun for  a cow but not me. On another hand boys have it easy with me since I don't tend to be very demanding and I respect every limit they  may have as long as they undress / I had a case in 2013 where Dreamboy refused even that little /  

 

You not that much older Vessey , today is last day I'm 61, LOL

[steveboy]

To make decisions on purchases or other things to do I have developed a technique based on the rationale you outlined: I will consult my future self and ask "will I regret not buying/doing this in the future if I don't do it right now?" If the answer is yes, I do it, if no I don't and if the answer is "I'm not sure", then that tends to suggest a "no"

 

This is very wise of you and vinapu.  

 

I have lived most of my life in the "deferred compensation" mode, always working for a "future".  Now I look back at the past 10+ years I have been traveling SE Asia and having much fun, and ... I am proud of having done it!   Those who will inherit me make already good money, and we don't take anything with us.   I still don't spend much, but I'm working on it.

[steveboy]

Generally speaking my strategy is to spent as little as possible on the maintenance - hence fying in economy, sleeping in 30$, not 130 $ hotels and eating rather bland food in ordinary places and only food treat I succumb to lavishly is ice cream from 7/11 for 17 baht.

....

You not that much older Vessey , today is last day I'm 61, LOL

 

You are my role model and peer!  I also spend very little on maintenance and I couldn't care less about luxury. I fly economy, stay in my favorite Babylon in their cheapest rooms, stay away from fancy food and I only care that food is healthy, not "special". (this puts me in a bind when people ask me about the food in places I visit...).  I have discovered that ice cream is not unhealthy and I eat good quantities of it at home, not so much on the road because I have no ways to keep it frozen.

 

Today is last day?  You must have been one of these babies that arrive with the new year.  

[vinapu]

HAPPY NEW 2017 YEAR FOR EVERYBODY AND ALL.

 

Day 13

 

Since boy made first move to go home  I tipped him bit more than agreed owing to performance   but had breakfast alone in Boat Bakery across the street from  Boyztown, very popular place and busy despite early morning. Quite similar to Foodland Patpong, breakfast not fancy but filling enough and cheap at 80 baht or so.

 

Short stroll along Second Road , returned to the hotel and at 9 Kao , my massage boy from yesterday was already on the veranda so I did not waste neither time not opportunity , asked him to be in my room in 10 minutes, paid 400 fee on reception and rushed to tidy room a bit . Shower together and another great massage with great bodied man, one of two  this trip I hired more than once, Barcode boy in Siem Reap being other.  Too bad I was leaving today as he was material for daily encounter and long time possibility certainly would be investigated .

 

After we were done I packed my meager possessions, shaken hands  farang style with Kao sitting outside, lavished my suitcase on one of motorcy guys waiting beside Family Mart , agreed to his extortionate request of 100 baht  for the ride to bus station and in few minutes with ticked secured for 12.50 p.m.  bus I had a sandwich and coffee  to kill 20 minutes of waiting time .

 

Back in Ekkamai bus station in less than 2 hours, BTS to Sala Daeng and after 2 days of absence I was back at Nantra Silom greeted by the staff smiles, not a daily occurrence there. I got room just beside one I had few days ago.

 

Then to BBB Inn to check if Tao, provider of best massages is back from his absence. Passing by soi Twilight big surprise !

 

Namu , my favorite from there is back, changed and for a better since he slimmed down,  noticed me and run with offer of a hug. There were rumors coming straight from his brother that  he settled down with Chinese boyfriend which he denied but this is none of my business , I was happy to see him back and made firm appointment for 5 p.m. tomorrow as I had other sights in mind for today.

 

At BBB Inn I was greeted in the lobby by smiling receptionist   who called Tao over. Embraces , kisses and 7 p.m. appointment at Nantra   for tomorrow requested and granted. He seemed to shed some weight as well , boys are getting serious about their sizes or what?

 

From there straight to Senso. Passing by eateries in Silom I saw some familiar face inside of one  but initially did not identify in my head who it was. Pressed for time a bit I did not stop only to realize few steps later that it was Anddy from our forum with whom I had a meeting later today at Maxi’s , What a chance on  a busy street at busy time ! .

 

I hoped Jack will be in Senso to mutilate me once more this trip but he was not so back to selection. Not  an easy task there since they don’t have that many boys but all of them are my types, no exception. In fact I think  I never ever saw boy there I’d not go with. Resorted to my usual advice in such a case and picked up one smiling the widest smile. Chai, namesake of another boy from there who left few years ago and memories of whom I still cherish.

 

Great strong and unrushed massage with plenty of body contact, another straight  and married guy who provides heavenly gate experience. Senso is not cheap, massage 1000 / hr , minimum tip 1200, I gave him 1500 still smiling at memory of our meeting.

Others may   have different and perhaps mixed Senso impressions but as far as I can see and I visit them at least once a week when in Thailand I was never disappointed there, neither with massage nor with boy. In fact I seem to recall  most of my encounters there with details even few years after.

 

I went  back to  hotel to freshen up and few minutes later sprinted to Maxi’s for a meeting with anddy fortified with what else ? Chicken with cashew nuts of course. Nice conversation at time of soi being busy with all boys rushing to their bars , punters taking their observation positions and shy tourists trying to see the sights hoping nobody will see them there.

 

Anddy as local is not frequent visitor to the bars but somehow I strong-armed him to  accompany me to a Jupiter which perhaps surprisingly to myself along with Fresh Boys become my bar of choice this short trip.

 

This is my last night in BKK and I went there with resolve to finish my internal boycott of offing from there. Boys from Jupiter are all handsome of model quality but have an opinion of  poor customer service  and I decided to give them another chance in right circumstances specially that I liked look of quite of few of them.

 

We had very strategic  seats with view of dressing or rather undressing room as well as a stage so full view so to speak. Jupiter  buys are apparently prohibited  from approaching  clients , it is an  ideal bar for shy types    who like to be left alone.

 

I like their show almost completely short of nudity but entertaining and very sexy. There was a glimpse of naked erect cock on one of performers leaving stage , not coincidental as I noticed it before in the same number. Look wise one is spoiled for  a choice  , only problem being lack of eye contact from boys, again I think this is by design  but it makes for uninterested appearance.

 

I had few types in mind  but # 20 was one who pissed off one of our members, #47, friendly boy I had a chance to shake hands with when visiting last Sunday,  was already without number so reserved already and my heart was  torn  between #42 I like face of, not there’s something wrong with his body and #73 ,Mekhin ,  famous import from Tawan.

 

At one point , sitting in the audience he flashed smile at me so mamasan was called over , asked to invite him after his part of show will be done and soon his massive , smiling frame was sitting beside saying ‘yes’ to a question ‘ do you go with me”.

 

Excused understanding anddy , paid 400 off fee with 500 note , change for what never came but I decided to let it go since I was still ahead – on my first night there it was so busy that nobody asked me for a drink and I had show  for free and soon we were on our way.

 

Point scored immediately  when after asked about my hotel Mekhin said we will walk. I know from others that they were Jupiter boys requesting taxi from there to Tarntawan and Tawan boys asking the same to Crowne Plaza, all of 5 minutes walks although I kind of understand boys may not want to be seen walking with farang.

 

Passing through Suriwong it was obvious he is well known as he greeted quite a few people on our way, waved at his former co-workers at Tawan where one of mamasans recognized me and smiled   perhaps wondering what happened to me used to be in the bar nightly.

 

I was a bit apprehensive having  in my company somebody who as far as boys are going can be labelled famous although I had few feedbacks that he is easy going and friendly which confirmed right away.

 

No fuss whatsoever , showering together with pleasure, clearly he knew and was familiar with routines although  at one point he mentioned ‘ you like to play like small boy ‘ not sure it was compliment or sarcasm     but certainly he enjoyed an attention and I did his company. Good English to, ‘where did you learn it ‘, ‘in Tawan, Tawan university” he said laughing.

 

Up close his massive frame was not even half as intimidating as looking at it from the stage   and those who  are not big fans of muscular men may be pleasantly disappointed. Asked about change of bars he said in Jupiter he has more offs which come as surprise as at Tawan he was star for years  but who knows, may be that fame was not  good  as some clients could be hesitant to off somebody   so popular expecting an attitude or excessive financial requests.

 

We talk about girls too but he said that he doesn’t have too many offs from them as he thinks they may think he is too big.

At end of day  he turned out to be normal easy going boy who knows why he is hired and delivers and at end of allotted time he wants to get paid and to go home.

 

I asked about long time – he doesn’t do it. About  compensation since we did not discuss that in the bar out of design,  I treated this off as lots of pleasure but also some research. 2000 quoted did not seem over board for somebody of his  built not to mention fame. Sure he hasted to say ‘ but you can give me 3000 or more’ but this was said as a joke rather than kind of request.

 

I gave him bit more as a bonus for not taking an advantage of situation and for chance to tell all of readers here – if you like muscular yet friendly men without an attitude go for Mekhin.

 

As far as I see Jupiter was redeemed in my eyes thanks to this import from Tawan and  certainly at next opportunity I will be trying to confirm  if my absolutions aren’t premature. I finished my day 13 sleeping alone but with sense of an accomplishment – at Tawan I was eyeing Mekhin few times but we never established an eye contact so I settled on others which was easy  at that manly boys paradise.      

[vinapu]

This is very wise of you and vinapu.  

 

I have lived most of my life in the "deferred compensation" mode, always working for a "future".  Now I look back at the past 10+ years I have been traveling SE Asia and having much fun, and ... I am proud of having done it!   Those who will inherit me make already good money, and we don't take anything with us.   I still don't spend much, but I'm working on it.

There's nothing wrong with thinking about future and working hard to have it secured. In fact this is what every prudent person should do.

 

But we need to find point of balance remembering that we have only one life to live.

Mortgaging future for today's pleasures is outright stupid but so is working always for tomorrow only. 

 

We may be working hard for years  for that dream house , dream trip or set of teeth implant only to discover that when time comes  to acquire it  doesn't make us happy anymore.

 

Small apartment is big enough, travelling is a chore not pleasure and there are no more friends to flash that newly acquired smile to.

 

As long as we leave enough money to bury us without cost to our loved ones inheritance should not be a concern at all unless one has dependent who is disabled and wants to secure his future when we are gone.

 

Of course all this depends of our own comfort zone. 

[vinapu]

 This of course doesn't only apply to things to buy, but any kind of activity. To make decisions on purchases or other things to do I have developed a technique based on the rationale you outlined: I will consult my future self and ask "will I regret not buying/doing this in the future if I don't do it right now?" If the answer is yes, I do it, if no I don't and if the answer is "I'm not sure", then that tends to suggest a "no"

agreed.

Good idea if possible is to sleep with a problem. Trinket we need to have now may not look as attractive tomorrow morning.

 

It may be harder with that boy flashing smile from the stage sporting bulge dreams are made of. With enough of time even that may be advisable.

 

In fact he may appreciate us returning for him even more. I could see on this trip when I came down to tell Copa massage boy I want massage as promised yesterday. I was visibly very appreciative smile  he sported.

[vinapu]

 

Today is last day?  You must have been one of these babies that arrive with the new year.  

no , that's the case with all of us, in fact those in Thailand are already there.

 

I'm thinking year number.

 

Whether  we like or not on New Yer Day we are becoming  1 year older , some ready for senior discount on public transport or additional tax relief.  Younger people may be subject of mandatory schooling or military service, others  may have their first legal drink of  a fuck for that matter.

 

All depending of laws of our jurisdiction.

[jason1975]

Excellent trip report, Vinapu! I rememeber seeing Mekhin when I visited Jupiter last March. Glad to find out that he is professional. I was also intimidated by his presence when i saw him. Now will be willing to at the very least invite him for drink and chat when i go again (tentatively March). I just hope he doesn't get taken away quickly!

[vinapu]

I just hope he doesn't get taken away quickly!

come to the bar early like 9.30 for chance of good viewing spot and secure time to chat.

 

On my first night there this trip he was available almost till end when young Asian snatched him because of my lengthy deliberations.

 

He is not offed every night , I asked him. And this is  a case in every bar, sometimes most popular boys are going home empty handed.

 

I hope somebody will off #20 , 42 and 47 and reports as those are my "men of interest" for time being 

[Jasper]

Thank you Vinapu.

 

Thrilling to read your encounter with the most famous celebrity

go go boy in Thailand, the one and only Mr Mekhin!

[emailbroken]

I understand and I have  plenty such voices after all my trips wherever they were.

 

Generally speaking I take very little pictures and never with people on them unless they ask or find their way to a picture by accident.

 

I know I should since I don't have pictures of boys you mention even for my own consumption so to speak. But this is me.

 

Few times I took pictures of or with boys on their initiative, some I still have them but  would never show/post them without their consent which I'm not even looking for. So for example world will not see Barcode boy at Preah Khan where I took several pictures at his request, sent to him  already. If he posts them somewhere I have no problem with it but I don't.

 

All this idiosyncrasy has actually nothing to do with maintaining privacy as most would suspect.

 

I simply think that instead of admiring beauty of people or nature we spent too much time and energy taking pictures of them.

Weird?, No?

I think that is the correct approach simply because allowing someone to take your photo is one thing, giving them permission to post on the internet, indicating that you work in the sex industry, is a different thing entirely.

[firecat69]

Vinapu says :   I simply think that instead of admiring beauty of people or nature we spent too much time and energy taking pictures of them.

Weird?, No?

 

I'm trying to wrap my head around this statement from the most prolific poster of other peoples photos on this Forum.  Something we all benefit from . He He.

 

Happy New Year Vinapu!

[vinapu]

Vinapu says :   I simply think that instead of admiring beauty of people or nature we spent too much time and energy taking pictures of them.

Weird?, No?

 

I'm trying to wrap my head around this statement from the most prolific poster of other peoples photos on this Forum.  Something we all benefit from . He He.

 

Happy New Year Vinapu!

Happy New Year to you too !

 

as for question , it's easy. I don't spent any time taking pictures I'm posting in model thread, they are all recycled from internet so job done already by somebody else.

 

please note that in my post at  no time I was critical of others taking and  posting  photos of anything or anybody. I simply stated I consider it poor use of my  time as far as I 'm concerned.

 

I know people who are taking hundreds pictures a day on their trips, I wonder if they have a time of noticing what they actually see,  that's all

[firecat69]

I understand what you are saying and was not accusing you of anything. But you do spend a lot of time admiring photos that others have taken and reposting them. 

 

Luckily for you and us , many enjoy taking photos not only of boys but all the photos that eventually encourage us to visit all the places that we do.  I'm quite sure some of those travels never would have happened if we were not enticed at least in some part by photos that others have taken.

[spoon]

I used to be very stingy in spending, to a point that i would spend a lot of time before buying big ticket items, so i wont regret buying them and they will last for a while. In my early 30s now, i think i am doing quite well with my finance, and minor health problem in 2015 does make me realized that all the money i saved will be useless if i didnt get to spend them. Needless to say, i am still not a big spender on things, but i am less calculative when budgeting for my travelling. I am blessed that i have yet to feel not having enough money at the end of the month to buy food, nor have i had to save money to buy what i want, which is thanks to me being a natural saver lol. The rest of my family spend all they have when they have them and worry later.

[steveboy]

I know people who are taking hundreds pictures a day on their trips, I wonder if they have a time of noticing what they actually see,  that's all

 

I also prefer to take pictures with my eyes and store them in my brain rather than using a camera.  And I'm thankful that capturing pictures with the smartphone with everything in automatic only takes a second.  I take pleasure in seeing, feeling the colors, but to frame all that into a shot I find fastidious, even if it could not be easier today.

[ggobkk]

Vinapu - may 2017 be a sublime year for you (and the others on this forum).  I have learned much from your postings, today's being the use of separate pockets as a budgeting tool.  I appreciate how you consider the boys/men you off which sets a positive example.  I think there must be one more post coming; but, also, think in the style of Numazu, your Mekhin rendezvous report is fine.  Happy going forward

[vinapu]

Needless to say, i am still not a big spender on things, but i am less calculative when budgeting for my travelling. 

That is the key, not to look for bargains but learning how to restrain ourselves from buying things at end of day we really don't need at all.

 

Best way to save money on Black Friday , biggest shopping day in USA is to avoid shopping at all that day

[santosh108]

Unless you are looking for a good price on business class to Bangkok!!

[vinapu]

 

Luckily for you and us , many enjoy taking ......... photos that eventually encourage us to visit all the places that we do.  I'm quite sure some of those travels never would have happened if we were not enticed at least in some part by photos that others have taken.

this was exactly reason I posted all those pictures taken in remote Cambodian temples so readers can see there's a lot to admire outside of regular tour circuit

[vinapu]

Vinapu - may 2017 be a sublime year for you (and the others on this forum).  I have learned much from your postings, today's being the use of separate pockets as a budgeting tool.  I appreciate how you consider the boys/men you off which sets a positive example.  I think there must be one more post coming; but, also, think in the style of Numazu, your Mekhin rendezvous report is fine.  Happy going forward

Thank you very much. I'm glad to learn that my posts can be useful other than just killing time reading them.

 

In bar environment when we a bit excited and not always exactly sober having money distributed in various pockets helps not only with controlling spending but also prevents spillage out  of wad  on banknotes too thick.

 

Having lots of  change also helps  to prevent overtipping as well as situations when we are waiting for a change which never will come - like me on my Jupiter visit on day 13.

 

If one treats boys well and with dose of respect they tend to appreciate it  and  repay with the same. Considering I tend to off long time this is even more important as spending 8 hours with grumpy boy whose only dream is to get out ASAP is a disaster recipe. 

 

But I'm not naive and cross them out fast if I sense  they may be taking an advantage of situation. No reason to create a scenes but it helps to remember that there's plenty fish in the sea, lesson I re-learned this trip.

 

Mekhin part of report was longer then usual due to anticipated demand , he is truly well known and popular.

 

Also some may be hesitant to take him due to all that fame expecting primadonna-like behavior which   is not a case at all. So report it's my part of community service I guess.

 

Yes , you guessed right, it will be one more day to report, hopefully today if I find the time so watch this space. 

[vinapu]

Unless you are looking for a good price on business class to Bangkok!!

I rather stand in the aisle all those 18 hours and spend money saved on the boys. Wouldn't reject upgrade though but so far never happened.   

[santosh108]

"I rather stand in the aisle all those 18 hours and spend money saved on the boys. Wouldn't reject upgrade though but so far never happened."

 

When I was young like you, I did that.  But at my advanced age now, I would spend my vacation time recovering from the flight!!

 

Thank you so much for your thoughtful and thought out posts.  I read them with great anticipation.  You and Divine Madam and several others contribute so much to this board.  It is a great service to us all.  May 2017 bring you much more fun and many more boys!!