ct2005 Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 If you have a password on your device and refuse to open it for the Customs agent, or have a lock on your bag and refuse to open it, I think you will find that the agent will seize the property and can have it sent to a lab to be opened. Whether there are additional penalties for failure to cooperate with a Customs agent in a lawful search, I do not know. So it means other than unlocking the phone, apps that stores hidden photos & videos are also required to be further unlock at the Customs request... Quote
forky123 Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 A lot of talk here about photos but how many here delete their browser history and especially cached files before they travel? Depending on the sites you visit, and the browser you run, you may not even realise you have photos of twinks, let alone know their ages. After all, it isn't unheard of for people to be on Grindr, hornet or other sites and lie about their age. Quote
Guest ryanasia Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 That is a valid point. As I said if you are that worried about it use the cloud and then restore on each side. The model photo thread certainly has some questionable photos albeit no full frontal nudity. The most pertinent question at this point would be why do these photos mean enough to you to risk actually being caught out because of them? Normally I can rationalize deleting my pics. Why would you even travel with them in the first place and then point out in plain day what you are traveling with? You can restore your device to factory settings and restore from an encrypted back up. Most of this talk is sheer madness at this point. Quote
firecat69 Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Gee it appears that it was Ryanasia who was out of his depth.. https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao/legacy/2014/11/14/usab6206.pdfWhat What happens when someone tries to practice law without a license ? Quote
Guest ryanasia Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Print that PDF out and give it a try. Extra credit if you have pictures of undocumented boy pictures who look under age. Quote
Guest DThump Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 I have read several posts on this thread and seems simple enough, just don't put this stuff on your computer or phone. Quote
Guest ryanasia Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Listen to whoever you want. However I would be on the safe side. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception Quote
Guest whall Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 I would be offended but I guess just let them check whatever they want to check. Quote
Guest ryanasia Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 I already previously said I didn't know if they need a warrant or not. I was not practicing law as I said you would need a lawyer. I advised to error on the side of caution and stick by that. What it seems like is you can be searched with out a warrant and if the search justifies it they will get one. It was my contention that if you refuse a search they would get a warrant and I am not wrong. The only thing that isn't clear is if you can be compelled to give your password. Anyway I will leave smuggling child porn to our resident expert Firecat. He seems to be well versed. Quote
Guest ryanasia Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Though in the digital age they can't serve a warrant by busting down a door. So it is a bit different. They can execute a warrantless search however they can not do so with out you giving them a password. They can not force you to do so. So the doctrine is meaningless unless you don't protect your data. If you have a laptop that is password protected and refuse the search the police must show a judge proof of cause to get a warrant. If you are an American citizen obviously. If you aren't you will be refused entry as a matter of course. If the Customs department ever challenged me I would call my lawyer. They don't have time for it. They would seize the computer and have to let me through with out charge and get a warrant in the mean time. They could temporarily detain me for questioning. This would not grant them any reason for arrest and they would be lucky to get a warrant out of it, if you have an attorney. I am not playing attorney here I hire one because I know better. If you have an attorney on call the 9th judicial court rejects these methods and they will not bother you. This is fascism anyway you look at it. Most people will bow down to it. If you are not a citizen you have no rights anyway. If you are the premise of the law is questionable. You can not ever be asked for your password with out a warrant. They can search but that is it. To get a password or admin to your computer relies on you voluntarily giving them that information. They will need a warrant. Quote
calluna15 Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 The overeaching hand of big government. Since 9 11 the us has become more and More like a police state. I had my laptop checked at jfk once. I had photos of guys obviously of age Which I told him about. He looked at them then said I could go. They also checked every item in my Possesion. Mind u I am an American Citizen but appeared to have been Singled out with no other person Searched alien or otherwise that I could See. Quote
abidismaili Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Why is no one troubled by how discriminated we are? I am pretty sure single women arriving from Thailand won't be searched. While I read more often in American and UK news, stories about women (often teachers, neighboors) arrested for sex with underage American or UK boys, than I am reading this about men. Gay go go bars also have women Women can also be sex tourists. European women for example have Africa for this as popular destination. Read once about this. Knowing all this then the fact that only single men - who return from a known sex destination - are being searched is pure and simple: discrimination. If it was reversed the feminism movement would complain. It would be all over in the news how oppressed and discriminated women are. Why do we accept being discriminated against? Next time tell the officer you are going to sue him. Quote
ct2005 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Oops ... at this rate of personal attacks ... soon Scooby Doo will step in and lock this thread for good. Quote
forky123 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Oops ... at this rate of personal attacks ... soon Scooby Doo will step in and lock this thread for good.And always the same instigator unable to have a discussion without making it personal. Quote
Guest Promsak Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 'Bringing an iPad with x-rated photos'Hard to pass an opinion without having seen them. If this board forbids them, feel free to PM them to me to give you my honest advice. Quote
bkkguy Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Right to remain silent. given the already high level of conflicting information posted here I suppose we should not open the unlock by fingerprint v's unlock by password "testimonial communication" constitutional can of worms here when seeking to find a simple solution to how to protect our data! bkkguy Quote
Guest FossilGay Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 given the already high level of conflicting information posted here I suppose we should not open the unlock by fingerprint v's unlock by password "testimonial communication" constitutional can of worms here when seeking to find a simple solution to how to protect our data! bkkguy ??? bkkguy, have you been taking writing lessons from pong? Quote
steveboy Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 I really don't see a big problem here. My folder with favorite pictures has about 500 files in it, and its size is a mere 50 Mb. It is placed in an encrypted file with a non descriptive name, that can only be opened (mounted) with truecrypt. Next time I make a trip I will place it among the hundreds of temporary files created by the operating system. Before leaving I will uninstall the truecrypt program. Once at the destination I will reinstall it from the web. On return, I will again uninstall truecrypt before the flight back, and reinstall it once at home. If some authority wants to investigate an insignificant person like me, which I doubt, they will not look at all the tens of thousands of files on my laptop. They won't have a reason to look for encrypted files, since I won't have a program to deal with them. I think that the probability I get in trouble with my sex files will be as low as the probability that the plane I am in will fall from the sky and crash in the ocean. ChristianPFC 1 Quote
abidismaili Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 I really don't see a big problem here. My folder with favorite pictures has about 500 files in it, and its size is a mere 50 Mb. It is placed in an encrypted file with a non descriptive name, that can only be opened (mounted) with truecrypt. Next time I make a trip I will place it among the hundreds of temporary files created by the operating system. Before leaving I will uninstall the truecrypt program. Once at the destination I will reinstall it from the web. On return, I will again uninstall truecrypt before the flight back, and reinstall it once at home. If some authority wants to investigate an insignificant person like me, which I doubt, they will not look at all the tens of thousands of files on my laptop. They won't have a reason to look for encrypted files, since I won't have a program to deal with them. I think that the probability I get in trouble with my sex files will be as low as the probability that the plane I am in will fall from the sky and crash in the ocean. I agree. But still, why do you have to take these precautions and women don't? Women returning alone from Thailand aren't checked. No problem for you? Not feeling discriminated? I feel anger. Quote
kokopelli Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 ??? bkkguy, have you been taking writing lessons from pong? Agree with you Fossil! ??????? Quote
Jasper Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 But still, why do you have to take these precautions and women don't? Women returning alone from Thailand aren't checked. Because most pedophiles are male? Quote
steveboy Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 I agree. But still, why do you have to take these precautions and women don't? Women returning alone from Thailand aren't checked. No problem for you? Not feeling discriminated? I feel anger. No problem. I don't feel discriminated. I feel sorry for women. They don't have a cock to play with. Quote
TotallyOz Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 When you go back to the USA from any trip abroad, you loose all your rights until you are on American soil. That soil is AFTER customs and immigration have cleared you. You and anything you own may be searched and there is no warrant needed. If you refuse, they may legally confiscate it. It is their right to do that and it is done often when people refuse passwords to computers. When you travel into any other country, their country may do the same to you upon entry. DivineMadman 1 Quote
