Bringing an iPad with x-rated photos

[Shonen]

 

I don't have a smart phone, only an iPad. I'd like to take it with me to Thailand to take photos but it's loaded with tumbler images of Asian men who are of legal age but to many they would assume they are way under. Some photos don't have the site they were taken from so there's no way I can prove what age they are. I'm willing to delete all the photos and the tumbler links but are they really deleted if border security were to scan the iPad? I'm more worried about returning to the USA.

[Alexx]

If you cannot prove how old they are, how do you know they are of legal age? Maybe most are but some aren't.

[Shonen]

Tumbler doesn't allow underage, nor does Chaturbate or most porn sites that I know of. Can the Homeland Security find images that are deleted by the user yet might remain somewhere in the device?

[NIrishGuy]

Tumbler doesn't allow underage, nor does Chaturbate or most porn sites that I know of. Can the Homeland Security find images that are deleted by the user yet might remain somewhere in the device?

 

Simple answer yes they can if they really feel the urge to look.  If some customs officer happens to click on "pictures" and the folder contains nothing much I'm guessing he'll wave you on, HOWEVER be assured if something sparked the Governments interest not only could they delve further than you'd every imagine into your iPad but also into your entire life and your entire browsing history and downloads over years etc etc, but assuming you've nothing to SHOULDNT be there I wouldn't worry too much. 

 

Why not upload everything to "the cloud" and save ALL your pics ( and email and everything else from your normal everyday life" to there, that then will speed up your iPad and also mean that you've nothing "saved" on it and you can clear your pics gallery before heading off, knowing that everything is still there and saved for you on your return - and also MUCH better for you if you ever loose your iPad or it fails as you won't then loose all your data  - I assume you're also "backing up" your stuff too occasionally as you go or have your iPad set to do that automatically to the cloud perhaps ??  If not you REALLY should.

 

Hope that helps. 

[Shonen]

Thanks Nirishguy, I don't have anything backed up to the cloud. I like it here on my iPad. Not much to lose besides my favorite Asian guy pics. Even if I up load the existing stuff, I'm worried of the remnants of my four years of accumulated porn. I always wondered just where and who might look into the "clouds".

Unless I downloaded a photo of a Korean guy who was underage before the administration could delete it, I think I'm ok, it's just the massive amount on there, who knows. I think I'll use my " boy friends" phone while there. I don't want to make the mistake of some who had stuff to hide and brought their computer to get repaired and then got busted. Again I don't think I have anything to hide but it might be judged by another as illegal.

[Vessey]

I am no expert/techie but I have the bulk of my porn stash stored on an external hard drive. They are quite cheap these days.

[kokopelli]

I would be worried returning to the US with loads of photos of Asian guys. Unless you have Global Entry where they are not likely to ask you anything, you are at risk of being questioned and searched. Why take the risk.

[Guest DurmadaShri]

I think you can simply delete them

[firecat69]

Last I knew you can delete anything you want but they are still there somewhere in the computer if they choose to use a sophisticated program to find them. But others may be more tech savvy then me.

[Guest ryanasia]

Use the power of the cloud. Download google photos, back everything up to that and erase them locally. You can get programs to wipe your computer if you need to but you are not likely to encounter more than a simple scan. In Thailand you won't get anything of this kind. You could even restore your iPad and restore it when you land from a back up.

 

You can use password protected files and hidden files but you will look guilty if they find them or you are unwilling to provide a password. Upload the photos to the cloud and delete the front end app IE: Google photos. You can download it again anytime. Some will say they can get into the cloud but if they do then it will be on you to defend it. If the photos are simply pornographic you won't have a problem. If there is something wrong with them other than that you may have a problem where ever you choose to populate with your photos. 

 

It is most likely the USA side where you will get profiled for being a single man of a certain age. Thailand they will not look.

[Guest ryanasia]

Somebody beat me to it

 

Protip: make a back up that has all Mormon stuff on it. web pages and history. I guarantee nobody will look for more than 5 minutes. Deleting it will be enough but for the people that say they can find deleted items.. Sure they can but this becomes a matter of computer forensics. In the USA they can hold your computer to perform this task. 

 

If you tell them to get a warrant they will. Finding something deleted isn't that simple Hillary Clinton did it and the FBI couldn't find it. I am making an example there no need to fight about that. The way to scrub a disc is to over write the data a few times. If you really want to delete it forever never to be found simply put the more times you restore or over ride the data the more secure the delete becomes.

[firecat69]

Not being that tech savvy I fail to understand what Cloud does for you. You have to have a way to get to Cloud on your computer and thus law enforcement can demand access to Cloud.  What am I not getting?

[Guest ryanasia]

Not being that tech savvy I fail to understand what Cloud does for you. You have to have a way to get to Cloud on your computer and thus law enforcement can demand access to Cloud.  What am I not getting?

 

It doesn't leave a suspicious imprint on your device to set off security at the airport. It also requires a warrant to obtain access to your cloud account. So it effectively ends the game going through borders. Also over here most immigration officials wouldn't be smart enough to understand the strategy.

[steveboy]

On my home computer I take my favorite photos and encrypt them with truecrypt. 

The encrypted file I copy to my laptop that I take on trips.

Then to view the photos the laptop creates a virtual disk in memory from the encrypted file, without writing anything to disk.

I understand that truecrypt also exists for tablets with Android. 

[abidismaili]

If they are of legal age you have nothing to worry. Even if the police thinks they are underage it is up to them to prove it. Since they are of legal age they are by definition unable to prove they are underage, so nothing to worry about.

[abidismaili]

On my home computer I take my favorite photos and encrypt them with truecrypt. 

The encrypted file I copy to my laptop that I take on trips.

Then to view the photos the laptop creates a virtual disk in memory from the encrypted file, without writing anything to disk.

I understand that truecrypt also exists for tablets with Android. 

 

Why use TrueCrypt if all is legal? The USA is a free country, you can't be convicted if someone looks 17 but is 18-20. It is up to them to prove he is 17 and not of legal age. If you buy porn from a legal website you know he must be legal age (legal porn sites have age certificates). So why go through the TrueCrypt hassle?

 

Also your option is not 100% save. You use a video player or photo viewer to view the files, yes? The Operating System (Windows for example) often stores on disk thumbnails or complete versions of recently accessed files. So when you close TrueCrypt there is a chance the file you just viewed is stored in a temp directory by Windows somewhere on your pc. So your solution is no solution.

[firecat69]

It doesn't leave a suspicious imprint on your device to set off security at the airport. It also requires a warrant to obtain access to your cloud account. So it effectively ends the game going through borders. Also over here most immigration officials wouldn't be smart enough to understand the strategy.

Not sure where you or abidesmaili  got your Law Degrees but I'm pretty sure the onus is on you to prove the photo of someone is of Legal Age . At least in the USA and I highly doubt they need a warrant.  In addition I have had many Thai boys who look 18 and could be actually anywhere up to 30.  

 

Bottom line in the USA if they decide to give you a hard time they will and you will end up wishing you had nothing on your computer. However the odds are probably very much in your favor never to be bothered.

[Guest ryanasia]

They don't see the photo if it is in the cloud. Yes, in the USA if they want to access your private accounts they do need a warrant. Don't spread your ignorance just because you don't know how it works.

[Shonen]

Thanks for all the input. It's an Apple so it's iOS. They're all Asian and some really look young, as we all know they can look ten years younger than they are. When I showed my best friend the few I had of guys I was with, whom I know are all above eighteen, he laughed thinking they were thirteen or fourteen. I'm really not tech savvy. And I'm not worried about Thailand but my return to the States. I was pulled over three times and one time the guy must have assumed I was a sex tourist as they went thru everything and kept questioning me over and over. I had no iPad but I'm sure they would have checked it.

We joke about buying guys smart phones, maybe I'll get the one I'm going to spend most of my time with one with a good camera. Might be a win win for us both, ha ha.

[Guest ryanasia]

Why use TrueCrypt if all is legal? The USA is a free country, you can't be convicted if someone looks 17 but is 18-20. It is up to them to prove he is 17 and not of legal age. If you buy porn from a legal website you know he must be legal age (legal porn sites have age certificates). So why go through the TrueCrypt hassle?

 

Also your option is not 100% save. You use a video player or photo viewer to view the files, yes? The Operating System (Windows for example) often stores on disk thumbnails or complete versions of recently accessed files. So when you close TrueCrypt there is a chance the file you just viewed is stored in a temp directory by Windows somewhere on your pc. So your solution is no solution.

 

This is not exactly true. You will be guilty of possession of child pornography. The onus is not on the prosecution to prove where you obtained it from.

[NIrishGuy]

Aside from what we all THINK we know about the law the one thing that we can all agree on I'm sure is that we all could do without the hassle and shame of a wrongly made accusation ) or conviction based on the whole "twink" thing - and for those that say the onus is on the police etc to prove the guys are under 18 etc have a read at the following article which involves a guy who lives not 20 miles from my house and who's life was ripped apart by this very topic - it makes sobering reading and is a place that none of us I'm sure would ever want to find ourselves - especially after doing nothing wrong or illegal !

 

Have a read.....  ( and apologies in advance for the length, I was going to post a hyper link but it wouldnt work - and as the article is 100% about the topic we're speaking of I felt it was worth copy and pasting for those that are interested .......

 

 

 

"I've been spat at, suspended from work and forced to come out...my life is in tatters; CHILD PORN CLAIMS HELLSocial worker Mike tells of ordeal after false allegations by policeSocial worker Mike tells of ordeal after false allegations by police."

 

EXCLUSIVE BY JILLY BEATTIE

AN innocent man wrongly accused by police of making and storing child porn on his computer has told how his life has been left devastated since his arrest two years ago.

Social worker Mike Whitla was found not guilty at the Crown Court 10 days ago of 15 charges brought against him by the PSNI.

After a forensic investigator delved into his computer files and discovered he could not have committed the alleged offences, the prosecution failed to offer any evidence against him.

The judge ordered the jury to return a not guilty verdict on each charge.

But the fall-out from the investigation created a living nightmare for Mike, from Bangor, Co Down, that has not ended with the court verdict.

He has revealed how he was: Suspended from his work with vulnerable children Forced to come out as a gay man Abandoned by almost all of his friends, and Spat on in a shop. Mike has also revealed how he slumped into serious depression, twice tried to take his own life, and wrote suicide notes to the only five people he still trusted in the world.

The 34-year-old said he now wants other people to know how he fell foul of the law despite doing nothing wrong.

Mike added: "I was able to prove I had done nothing but my life is still in tatters and somehow I'll have to rebuild it.

"At least now I know who my real friends are and I can go forward from here. But it broke me and I'll never be the same again."

 

Mike had been a social worker for 10 years, mainly at the Lakewood Residential Care Centre for at-risk young people in Bangor, when his life was catapulted into turmoil.

DEDICATED

He said: "I was very privileged to have a safe and loving childhood and family.

"My entire working life had been dedicated to protecting and helping young people who weren't as fortunate as me.

"So when I was accused of having indecent images of children I nearly collapsed.

"Not only is that not part of my personality, the very essence of my career is about protecting people, not hurting them or putting them at risk."

Mike was at home with his mother Aubreen when 12 officers arrived at the door with a search warrant in October 2013.

They searched every piece of furniture in the home, every room, the attic, sheds and a garage and took computers and phones.

Mike added: "I was sure they had the wrong house so I kept asking them what they were looking for.

"When they eventually told me I helped them gather everything up.

"I'd no problem with the search really because I'd nothing to hide. They said they'd had a complaint and if I'd done nothing wrong, I'd nothing to worry about."

But Mike, who had not come out to his mother at the time, had not realised his occasional searches on an over-18 gay website had triggered advert pop-ups that automatically stored deep in his computer.

And seven months after the PSNI raid he got the worst news of his life when the police mistook them for child porn.

Mike was arrested by two officers at his home, questioned and charged at Bangor PSNI station with making and storing 71 images of children, ranging in seriousness from grade one to five.

He said: "To be honest I thought the officers were coming to give me my computer back and apologise for the confusion. They looked so grim.

"Then they said they were arresting me on child porn charges. I knew there had to be mistake and I got a solicitor to meet me at the station.

"But when she came back into the interview suite after being shown the images, her face was pale.

"In that second I knew something was seriously wrong but I couldn't work out what it was.

"I could see my life tumbling into chaos and I didn't know what to do. I kept asking to see the images because there had to be some explanation for them and after a while the officers agreed to show me the grade five image.

 

"I braced myself. I knew from my work with troubled and vulnerable young people that typical grade five images involved abusers with babies.

"I felt sick. There was no way, just no way. But still, these men were police officers and they had said they had a picture."

The officer flipped a page to show Mike a picture of a semi-naked young man.

Hugely relieved, he told police the image was of a "twink".

Mike said: "I'd never seen it before but it was a twink - that's gay slang for a feminine man over 18.

"The officers hadn't a clue what I was talking about.

"I said he was about 24 and they laughed. They said the picture was of a boy of 13 and that I was going to court where the jury will agree he was a child."

The word twink is used in gay lingo to refer to a man aged between 18 and the early-20s who has certain characteristics such as an effeminate manner, a slim build and no body or facial hair, which all contribute to a youthful look.

And all 71 of the images found on the computer were of twinks.

Mike added: "I was released on police bail.

"In desperation I had to come out to my mum and family.

"Then I had to find someone who could examine the images the police had found and show they were not of my making - and more importantly that they were not of children. I'd no idea where to start and really fell into a complete mental breakdown where I started to doubt myself and my sanity.

"I got so sick I planned my suicide.

"Fortunately I failed twice and in the end I turned to the Rainbow Project and broke down in their office and told them what I was going through.

"They were amazing and said they would support me all the way. While my solicitor got a forensic computer expert to analyse the police evidence, the Rainbow Project set up a presentation for my solicitor and barrister to explain the sort of language used in the gay scene including twink.

"I think if one of the officers who arrested me had been a gay man I'd never have been put through this nightmare.

"But they live in a different social world to me."

After 20 months of hell, two suicide attempts, the loss of his job, friends and his social life, Mike was given some hope.

The computer expert discovered the 71 images found in the police search were in fact ads featuring men aged 18 and over.

And he also found Mike had neither looked for the images, uploaded, seen or knowingly stored them.

On April 28 at Belfast Crown Court, Judge Grant directed the jury to return not guilty verdicts on each of the 15 charges of child porn.

Mike said: "The judge said I was free to go without a stain on my character and I walked away afraid that I was dreaming."

RUINED

But he added he has been left "in limbo" with his life ruined by the false claims.

He said: "My reputation is ruined.The justice system must learn from this so no one is put in this position again.

"If it had not been for my mum Aubreen, my brother Richard and his wife Suzie, and my friends Marcus and Georgie, I'd probably be dead by now."

[abidismaili]

This is not exactly true. You will be guilty of possession of child pornography. The onus is not on the prosecution to prove where you obtained it from.

How can you be guilty of possession of cp if the guy is 18 but looks 17?

[Guest ryanasia]

You will be guilty if the guy turns out to be 17. 

[abidismaili]

Not sure where you or abidesmaili  got your Law Degrees but I'm pretty sure the onus is on you to prove the photo of someone is of Legal Age . At least in the USA and I highly doubt they need a warrant.  .

This can never be true. Most people have porn on their pc. Hetero's and gays. No one has the real name of the actors in it with their birth dates.

How can a hetero guy prove that woman in that porn clip is really 18 or above and not 17 if he doesn't have her name and address?

No one can prove that. If someone thinks they are underage it is up to them to prove it. Else you can lock up 95% of humanity. Almost everyone has a porn video with someone of age 18-20 in it who looks maybe 17. Then you can lock up everyone if we have to proof it. Which we can't obviously.

[Guest ryanasia]

firecat is simply out of his depth ignore him.