steveboy Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 I agree that pleasure we get from them is worth more that few additional hundred but those requests seem to escalate. This is not specific to Thai boys but it seems is universal whenever we extend helping hand. It's why my policy in respect of Thai boys is to pay them generously for their time spent with me but no exchanges of any contacts / Line , facebook , phone , e-mail etc /. I agree with you. There is enough deception in this world to make the kindest soul cynical. But... what about the requests for help that are genuine? My best solution for this is to be a liberal progressive. I am in favor if big government giving big help with social programs. I am fully aware of the ills of bureaucracy, inefficiency, favoritism, but I prefer these to charity fraud. In countries with institutionalized corruption I don't mind closing my eyes and helping individuals who ask for it, but in the US I don't like to give one dollar beyond my taxes, which are plenty. And I fight as I can the nauseating conservative ideology that everyone should fend for himself. Quote
vinapu Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 I don't even thought of deception. Often people find easier to ask for help than to look for solutions how to fix problem within their means and abilities. This is an attitude which often prevents us from extending helping hand when need is genuine. I agree that it's better to err on side of generosity but at times it must be limit. It's why I like to pay over the odds but draw the line after pocket is sealed with velcro again. An ideology that everyone should fend for themselves is good for an animal world , not for human race. It's easy to advocate that if one is strong and able but sometimes one false step and we can be neither. Quote
Guest Promsak Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 As far as I can see, nobody goes hungry in Thailand. If they really run out of money it's mismanagement or misappropriation (spending money that should be used for food or rent on booze, cigarettes, drugs, taxi rides instead of walking or bus), not poverty. You really have to learn a lot about Thailand and Thai people and their attitudes to life. Quote
spoon Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Funny that you mentioned animal world vinapu, since if you go to parks or tourist area where there are animals around, for example temples where monkeys lived, u can see multiple signs that prohibit us from feeding those animals, mostly to protect them from being dependent on tourist for food instead of finding the food on their own. So similarly, i go with that principle for human too, gives them something for doing nothing, and theyll come back for more, and do it frequently enough, theyll be too dependent on that easy way to get money Quote
steveboy Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 So similarly, i go with that principle for human too, gives them something for doing nothing, and theyll come back for more, and do it frequently enough, theyll be too dependent on that easy way to get money Oops... I may be getting something for doing nothing... over 15 years receiving pension from work and then later the government's social security payments... and I don't even have to go for more, it is deposited monthly in my accounts... I must be a privileged animal! Quote
Nasherich Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 You're not getting pension for nothing. You've paid contributions and tax. llz 1 Quote
vinapu Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 Funny that you mentioned animal world vinapu, since if you go to parks or tourist area where there are animals around, for example temples where monkeys lived, u can see multiple signs that prohibit us from feeding those animals, mostly to protect them from being dependent on tourist for food instead of finding the food on their own. you may be correct but I think 'no feeding animals' signs are more to protect animals from idiots feeding them human food they can't digest like cookies or chewing gum not to mention sadistic types feeding them nails etc. Quote
vinapu Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 You're not getting pension for nothing. You've paid contributions and tax. if steve says he is getting pension for nothing don't you think he knows better Quote
Nasherich Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 Not necessarily. You might be paid for doing nothing in retirement, but if he has worked (which he states) then he must have paid taxes which fund his state pension, and even if his work pension was non-contributory, it will have formed part of his remuneration. Nothing is free in this life Vinapu! Quote
ChristianPFC Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 You really have to learn a lot about Thailand and Thai people and their attitudes to life. Enlighten me! rollingstone 1 Quote
vinapu Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 Not necessarily. You might be paid for doing nothing in retirement, but if he has worked (which he states) then he must have paid taxes which fund his state pension, and even if his work pension was non-contributory, it will have formed part of his remuneration. Nothing is free in this life Vinapu! what I meant is old saying ;" how many people are working in this building? about half " Alexx 1 Quote
steveboy Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 Nothing is free in this life Vinapu! I remember a saying in my family when they had to pay: "Nur der Tod is frei, aber es kostet das Leben" (only death is free but it costs one's life). Quote
vinapu Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 Nothing is free in this life Vinapu! as one at times accused here for spoiling boys with excessive tips I know it very well ggobkk and Nasherich 2 Quote
Nasherich Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 what I meant is old saying ;" how many people are working in this building? about half " Ok sorry Vinapu, completely missed the joke! vinapu 1 Quote
Jasper Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 8pm today Customer 1st drink 500 Baht Customer 2nd drink 450 Baht Boy drink 400 Baht t0oL1 1 Quote
Guest abang1961 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Sorry I will never pay THB 500 to enter this place.... It's time to boycott such establishments who over-charge .. Not every one is a newbie or fresh off the flight from China ... Actually I have yet to visit such bars in the past 10 years...the increment in such bar prices is NOW the 2nd deterrent factor... use to be smoke ... Quote
paulsf Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 And yet they are full or close to full every night. Lots of people don’t mind paying. Quote
t0oL1 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Just to clarify I "liked" Jaspers post because of the picture of the entrance. Often when I visit Soi Twilight after a pitcher of Kamakazis @ Balcony so even after many trips to TH I can't remember the actual names of specific bars I visited for yet another drink. If I am on holiday after a couple of years working and on my first full night in Bangkok a visit to a historic "temple" for 500bT plus a drink and a needed trip to the restroom on the way back to the hotel still sounds like a bargain- with a show thrown in for free. Quote
ggobkk Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 drink price on Sunday was 550 THB. I was the only farang there. I think of the price as the cost of a cover charge for a big show with a drink as a bonus. After seeing the show, not sure this theory of my will get me there again. Quote
Popular Post DivineMadman Posted March 13, 2018 Popular Post Posted March 13, 2018 When Dreamboys is at the top of its game, it has the most good looking all Thai guys of any bar, as well as a long energetic show -- if formulaic by this point. The mamasans are non-intrusive. It can be a fun place to go. NO ONE IS BEING FORCED TO GO THERE. The European manager of Dreamboys is just applying market principles to pricing, so I don't really see why people get in uproar. It's a premium product for a premium price. When other bars make pricing decisions they seem to get mocked for something derisively called Thai logic, but Dreamboys is straight up capitalism in market for male-for-male entertainment. IF YOU DON"T VALUE IT, YOU DON"T HAVE TO GO. The guys who work there generally have their choice of places to work. As some of us were chatting about the other day, they rather famously do not budge from their set minimum off fee. They clearly see the value of working there and not undercutting their own high, premium, prices. ( A precious few of the guys are on Hornet, but I have yet to try hooking up with one from their. I doubt they cut prices, but they might.) IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE FOR YOUR PARTICULAR TASTE, YOU DON"T HAVE TO GO THERE. DON'T IMMEDIATELY PIEGEON HOLE THE PEOPLE WHO GO THERE AS CHINESE OR NEWBIES. I thought the often-derided Chinese tour groups that go there got special pricing for the cover (or drinks). But regardless, more power to Dreamboys and roping them in. Also, with cover/drink prices posted outside, even a newbie or friend from China can make the decision on his own. I certainly don't go there all the time, but once a season -- at least -- I'll go just to see the guys and the show. Sure it's expensive, but I know that and I budget for it and it's all good. I've even offed guys from there. And they were all good too. It's the same as every once in a while I will go out and have a nicer more expensive mean, and other days just fired rice from the street vendor. A vibrant, often busy, usually successful, go go bar in Soi Twilight that brings in people to the soi. Good for Dreamboys and good for Soi Twilight, which by extension, is good for me too. paulsf, vinapu, ggobkk and 5 others 8 Quote
t0oL1 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 drink price on Sunday was 550 THB. I was the only farang there. I think of the price as the cost of a cover charge for a big show with a drink as a bonus. After seeing the show, not sure this theory of my will get me there again. for that price you got a drink and got to see not only a bunch of hot guys but also a piece of history that may never be repeated- soon to be lost. Be glad you went- I encourage people to go before it's gone. A little hard for some to tip the waiter on top of that but they could use a bit (50?) also. To buy a boy a drink - he would have to be a stunner. Think I liked the other upstairs bar for that. can't remember the name of the bar for sure. Quote
DivineMadman Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Just to be clear I wasn’t trying to start a pile on ggobkk. Actually I am fortunate to have met him and know he has a simpatico view towards the bars. Rather I was responding to these nonsensical things like boycotting. It’s fair to comment that maybe you didn’t like show. Or gee the drinks are expensive. That’s of course valid observation. But it’s just nonsense to suggest that somehow dreamboys is outrageous or hurting soi twilight. It does a good business and is an anchor for soi twilight and attracts and retains some great guys. Btw the upstairs bars would be x-size or hot male. paulsf 1 Quote
jason1975 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 I agree that Dreamboys helps to channel traffic into Soi Twilight. But being mindful of the long-term competition posed by Jupiter in Soi 4, perhaps the Dreamboys management might consider lowering their prices? Lol I personally prefer X Boys and Screwboys. Because my favourite boys are from there! paulsf 1 Quote
spoon Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 I agree that dreamboys is definitely the top of the crop amongs gogo boy, which also the reason that they have a reat selectiln of good looking boy in their line up. They even have some boy only go out with girls only, not sure if its true or not but thats what i heard. Not surprise if its true. Im frugal with my spending too, but i still went to dreamboys to find the one boy, then afterwards, u can get his contact and can bypass the bar on your repeat off. If getting their entrance price down will bring down the quality of boys selection, id rather not have that Quote
ggobkk Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 DivineMadMan, I didn’t read your comment as a piling on...as we’ve discussed face to face I’m comfortable with a cover charge for a big well populated show and that’s definitely a description of Dreamboys. I’ll pay the going rate next year to se the line up. There was more going of the night I went between some of the customers and the boys and the working of the “off” process. While the world will have to wait for my trip report, it was These interactions that caused my giving the impression I might no return to Dreamboys. Quote
