Multiple Members Suspended Today

[TotallyOz]

We not not tolerate behavior in which members call names and act disrespectfully to others.

 

When this happens, we will suspend for 90 days or ban.  We may also ban others with the same IP, just to be sure.

 

In case anyone wonders, if we find a member using multiple screen names, we ban then all.

[Guest]

Thank you Scooby.

[NIrishGuy]

Did I miss something ? "Multiple members" - wow, must have been one hell of a punch up ( over nothing I assume as usual :-) - aren't we getting a little over protective perhaps, surely we're all adults here and not beyond sticking up for ourselves without  teacher having to step in to defend us - no ??

[Guest]

We're all adults, but some of us don't want to be socialising with people who use the kind of unsophisticated insults that a delinquent 10 year old might use (there were some of them). 

 

Also, there is a strong implication of members using multiple handles, which is no surprise at all having read some of the threads.

[Gaybutton]

surely we're all adults here and not beyond sticking up for ourselves without  teacher having to step in to defend us - no ??

 

I disagree.  It's all right there in the board rules.  There's not much point in having board rules if the troll brigade is going to flagrantly violate them with impunity. 

 

It's easy to minimize it by saying "teacher having to step in to defend us."  That's not what it is.  It's "board owner stepping in before the entire nature of what the board is supposed to be about is ruined along with board owner enforcing the rules." 

 

The boards are here to provide information and discussion about Thailand.  They're not here to host trolls.  Scooby does not need to justify taking action against rule violators.  He would need to justify it if he didn't take action against rule violators.

 

The trolls that were suspended were lucky.  I would have banned them entirely.

[Guest abang1961]

Isn't it conventional wisdom to treat each other nicely, even if it is "pure acting"?

I believe most of us are NICE people and would not want to offend others.

I mean, why bother to stir the nest when everything can be discuss openly and cordially?

 

Of course, as individuals, we are subject to our individual opinions but if a particular post stimulates/stipulates a personal attack, then the "victim" has every right to shout foul.  I had this first hand experience and the best way is to reply such accusations with prom and dignity.  It can really bring out my bitchiness but then again, why should I be bother with such trolls and annoying members.

 

Well done Scooby for managing this board well.  I will present you not a medal of justice but a bottle of coconut jam (known as kaya in Singapore and Malaysia) to sweeten/negate  the effect of such abrasive members. 

 

World Peace... a must-say by smiling beauty pageant contestants...

[vinapu]

wouldn't removal  / editing offending posts be better that summary execution? 

[Bob]

It would seem logical to me that whoever actually witnessed the offensive posts (it would appear Z did) would at least have a basis to reasonably offer a critical opinion of the events but those of us who didn't see the fracas (I'm one of them) can hardly offer a reasonable opinion as to the appropriateness of the actions taken. 

 

I believe Scooby has done an admirable job of administering this board since the beginning of his involvement and, based on that history, I trust whatever actions were taken were merited. 

[Gaybutton]

wouldn't removal  / editing offending posts be better that summary execution? 

 

I don't think so.  If it were me, I would not only remove the posts, but I would get rid of anyone posting those.  As a board owner, the last thing I need is someone I have to monitor to keep him from violating the rules and posting offensive troll posts.  What on earth would I, Scooby, or any other board owner need with people like that?

[Guest]

wouldn't removal / editing offending posts be better that summary execution?

No.

 

Some of the posts show people have no idea how to behave. The way to deal with such people is to get rid of them. If a guest in your house was hurling abuse, you would kick him out and never invite him back. It's the same here.

[kokopelli]

Always a good idea to weed-out the garden before it becomes overrun by noxious species.  I do not know specifically those who may have been banned or warned but can make some guesses.

[Alexx]

I would guess that one particularly obnoxious "quality" poster is now gone.

[steveboy]

I would guess that one particularly obnoxious "quality" poster is now gone.

 

It turns out that he has been a member for less than two months, now "offline" for two days.

It must be so hard to be "Quality only"... 

because this leaves him little chance "to be".

[firecat69]

Good job Scooby.  There is only one action to be taken with such members and you did it.  Suggesting only removing posts could never work as you would have to be monitoring the Board 24 hours a day and those kind of posts could linger for many hours or days.

[vinapu]

What on earth would I, Scooby, or any other board owner need with people like that?

to keep board discussion enlivened and to give forum members so inclined a chance to hurl offence  back 

 

 If a guest in your house was hurling abuse, you would kick him out and never invite him back. It's the same here.

correct , I would , but not before throwing abuse back at him to give him a chance to express regrets

[Guest]

to keep board discussion enlivened and to give forum members so inclined a chance to hurl offence  back 

 

I want nothing to do with that kind of discussion & believe many other members have a similar view.

 

Once upon a time there were bitch boards, which provided a valuable service in keeping some of the bitching on a site I never needed to visit.   

[steveboy]

I want nothing to do with that kind of discussion & believe many other members have a similar view.

Once upon a time there were bitch boards, which provided a valuable service in keeping some of the bitching on a site I never needed to visit.   

 

Here I have to side with Vinapu and the acceptance of enlivened discussions, as long as they don't become vulgar.  There is just so much damage that can be done in an online discussion.  No danger of physical harm.  It is interesting to read some insults done with class, a smile that is like a slap on the face.  Why should we pretend to be perfect creatures made of pure love?

 

There are some gay modalities that I feel disgusting.  One is to call another gay "girl",  another is to call him "bitch" or say that he is "bitching".  Same is to say that people who are discussing are "bitching".   Maybe the members of the British Parliament or our Congress are "bitching" ? Well...  sometimes they sound like they are... 

[Gaybutton]

Here I have to side with Vinapu and the acceptance of enlivened discussions

 

"Enlivened discussions."  Nice euphemism.  I suppose discussions are not lively enough for some unless insults and personal attacks are being hurled.  I'm sure many greatly enjoy that - right until the attacks are directed at them.

[vinapu]

"Enlivened discussions."  Nice euphemism.  I suppose discussions are not lively enough for some unless insults and personal attacks are being hurled.  I'm sure many greatly enjoy that - right until the attacks are directed at them.

I'm not sure many but certainly there are few and I'm one of them. Always great spectacle when grown men are behaving like children  calling other names and making sure they are only ones who are right.

 

No doubt Qualityonly,  God let him rest in peace, was offensive toward you and met his deserved fate. You did great job defending your friend's  bar and his  staff reputation.

 

But I still firmly believe than removal offending posts would be penalizing enough instead of execution. If I'm in minority with that opinion, fine. I liked Nirish's comment that we are capable defending ourselves if we chose to without calling teacher to help. 

[Gaybutton]

we are capable defending ourselves if we chose to without calling teacher to help. 

 

Where did you get the idea that everyone is capable of defending themselves?  Not everyone is. 

 

And why should anyone have to?  Name calling?  Put downs?  Insults?  Lies? Personal attacks?  Coming from some idiot with the mind of a 12 year old - and it goes on and on and on?

 

If that's your idea of appropriate "enlivened discussions," especially on a message board devoted to discussion about Thailand and its gay life, then your opinion is a little different from mine.

[vinapu]

 Coming from some idiot with the mind of a 12 year old - 

Don't kick somebody lying in the dust already, we know you prevailed

 

then your opinion is a little different from mine.

that's fine

[steveboy]

"Enlivened discussions."  Nice euphemism.  I suppose discussions are not lively enough for some unless insults and personal attacks are being hurled.  I'm sure many greatly enjoy that - right until the attacks are directed at them.

 

You and me we had some "enlivened discussions" in the past  which I did not mind even if attacks were directed at me, and I enjoyed the opportunity to do some covert ass kicking that I felt were humorous, although I'm not sure you felt the same way.  But no vulgar insults were exchanged, no loss of civility.

[steveboy]

Where did you get the idea that everyone is capable of defending themselves?  Not everyone is. 

 

This is true.  This can be something negative in heated discussions, when one side gets abused by the other.

Here is where our sense of justice kicks in and we have the satisfaction to step in and defend the abused one.  And while we courageously defend the weak from the bully...  we are teaching the weak by example, something positive.

[Guest ryanasia]

Seems like a delicate balance between keeping the board civil and the need for people to post content. Maybe controversial posters should just have their posts go through mod-approval before they show up. Obviously if the admin or mods find this is too much work it is up to them. 

 

If the board becomes overly moderated it will ultimately limit itself to the same 4 or 5 posters. If that is the case the board will simply remain in relative obscurity and it is no problem. If the board wishes to grow then a little bit of controversy never hurts. It seems it isn't the intention of the admin to ultimately try to monetize this site so I guess what happens simply doesn't matter. 

 

The irony that a post by the admin warning members to be civil has wound up in petty bickering is not lost on me. Seems like when the admin culled the herd they forgot a poster who is always involved whenever things turn ugly. 

[Guest]

1   Boorish childish abuse cannot be considered as content.    Well at least not as the kind of content anyone is interested in.

 

2   For the most foul abuse seen from one poster, why would anyone want to defend themselves ?     

Defence is kind of unnecessary, as it's clear which of the members are not following normal standards of civilised behaviour.   ie The one issuing the insults has damaged his own reputation.    

 

Defence is pointless.    We just need to put a stop to it, as Scooby has done.