Bringing a boy home to Burma

[Guest ryanasia]

I am going to put this in the Thailand section because of lack of responses in other sections and it involves Thailand more than Burma in some ways. Maybe it is like Kokopelli said and we should just drop the forum sections as they seem to be more of a hinderance than help. 

 

So there is a boy working in one of the gogos that says he has no customers or money and wants to go back to Burma to live. So I had a thought of sending him home but possibly going with him for a couple of days. Honestly I will miss him as he as an adorable little cuteypie. However as altruistic as I would like to feel about myself I basically want one last piece of that pie before he disappears from the scene. 

 

I know we could fly in but does anybody have experience with land crossings? I was thinking of going by bus to string the trip out a little bit and the money saved i can give him. 

 

He says he is from Thaton. Has anybody ever been there? It sounds like it is a nice little river town. I would spend a day or two there. It looks like the best (read romantic here) way to get there would be to rent both beds in first class on the night train. I have done this before and it is as good as a tiny room and you can do whatever you want if you rent both berths. Pro tip: bring a cooler with beer or wine or whatever you want as they don't serve alcohol on the trains these days. 

 

From there it seems to be 3 hours to Thaton. Anybody know land borders or just suggestions on things to do? Not sure what I am asking here but anybody who knows this area could add any advice and that would be great. I am bringing my boy already and expect that to be the extent of my gay fun there. 

 

He has limited Thai and no English so I am having trouble asking him for advice or even coordinating this. I think he hasn't done it this way before so simply also doesn't know. 

 

Any info about border crossings for foreigners or visas on arrival would also be great.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan

 

 

[Guest ryanasia]

Small update I was accidentally looking at the wikitravel site for Thaton Thailand and not Thaton Burma. Time to rethink this as my first plan won't work. lol

[williewillie]

Sounds like an adventure.

Only thing I would want to be sure of is, does the boy want you to go with him to his home.

Usually the boy invites the farang, in my experience.

Sometimes the boy doesn't really want to

go home but just needs the money.

Without good communication it can get very tricky but could be fun.

[Guest whall]

Why doesn't he have a lot of customers? Maybe he should hold out for the high season?

[Guest ryanasia]

Once we hit the border he can go on his own way if he wants to. I am not that interested in hanging out with the family or anything like that. He is coming over tonight to discuss it. So it looks like I would be going through Mae Sot and then continue onto Yangoon. He can either make the trip with me or we can split at the border. He hasn't given me indication that he doesn't want me to go but I wouldn't be offended if he doesn't want me at his home town. There doesn't seem to be much there for me anyway. 

 

Good question Wall but there aren't many people around. He is as cute as a bug so thats not the issue. He can always come back but I do have thoughts if he really wants to go. If he doesn't really want to go I am not going to just give money. 

 

I know how to work with the boy was wondering more about Burma than anything. I think he just wants to honestly go home he has mentioned it a few times since I knew him. Working at screwboys isn't for everyone. 

 

Was there last night and the only customers were Chinese ladies. He would have a hard time servicing girls, trust me.

[pong]

Hi Ryan-first of all: talk+ask. How did he come into TH anyway? And-assuming he is a real Burmese, documented +all (do not expect too much in that field), is his permit still valid? if not-prepare much more money to bribe the border guards.

If I remember well you are canuck? (well, if its US-same holds): so you DO need a valid visa for Myanmar=Burma and you MUST get that advance -either from the embassy (On Satorn) or via an agent +commission. Its valid for 30 days. AND think/inform yourself about your status/visa when you come back into this TH.

It IS now possible to legally pass the land border Th-Burma in some places-notable Mae Sai in the far north and to the west of Kanchanaburi=Sangklaburi (aka as 3 Pagoda pass), and I think also via Mae Sot. BUT from some of these points the farang canNOT travel overland to Yangon (capital) all the way-but the chance he comes from there seems remote to me.

But chances are far higher he is undocumented, (just ask to see all his papers) or may even come from the a bit unruly part of North-Thailand where thousands of legel and illegal Burmese live-and wander still a bit freely across borders that only others have invented. That Thaton is just some 20-30 kms away from that border. Does he speak Thai? if yes-he is likely a Karen=Shan, these languages are much interchangeable.

Oh-maybe you have visitd the Thai rural backward countryside of Isan-expect Burma-countryside to be MUCH more primitive and 3d world-ish. PLUS that many areas are still forbidden for farang to enter by the Tatmadaw=Burmese military police. So I repeat sentence 1: first get much more info-I hope you now know a little more about what to go after.

[pong]

Plan B would be to point him to a few other bars-maybe even Par=ttaya-where guys as you describe him would have more chances. or Plan C; instruct him in how to set up his own bisnis online in attracting customers.

[Guest ryanasia]

He went to Pattaya before and didn't like it much more either. I think he does okay back home and prefers it there. I have seen has facebook posts that go back to the days he was in Burma and it didn't seem he did too badly. I know Burma is primitive and that's why I wouldn't spend a long time there. I lived on an island in Laos with no electricity for many years and have an idea what the conditions in Burma are bound to be like. I developed a guestouse there from nothing.

 

Keep in mind also that I have never suggested he go back and am in no way trying to save him or anything. I made him a PR account to try help get customers. Good info on the ID Card and permit thing. This is good advice, I appreciate it. I will have to get a visa. It is beginning to sound easier just to take him somewhere in Thailand maybe some nice little villa somewhere along the way and have a nice day or two before saying goodbye. 

 

 

The first idea I had with the train would have been ideal. I wanted to send home him in style. I thought about flying to Yangoon but the tickets alone are sort of expensive and would rather just give him the money. His Thai isn't great he doesn't speak it natively, on his facebook all of his posts are in Burmese. 

 

My take on it meeting him a few times and I do pay attention and am pretty observant about these things is that Thailand simply isn't much better than his life was in Burma. I don't think his family is actually particularly poor, he never mentioned sending them money or anything like that. As I said his FB posts from Burma look actually fairly middle class. 

 

He likes the pool at my condo so i am thinking of maybe just taking him up to a nice pool villa in Kanchaburi and hanging out a day or two as it isn't that far for me. Mae Sot doesn't sound appealing enough to travel that far. Maybe do some of the waterfalls in and around KB and call it a day. KB is a two hour taxi ride so this some ideal and it is on his way more or less.

 

I want a good time and also would like him to have a nice time before he goes home and that's it. I am surprised at how many people are suggesting he should stay. I would like him to stay but I can't help him that much here. If he wants to come back he can contact me and I would help him do so but for now he says he wants to leave so he can come back anytime. He is a nice guy and I will wish him the best of luck whatever he decides. 

 

I am not going to give a lump of money just to find him in Silom the next day. The point on the ID card and his legal status is well taken. I will certainly try to ask him about this when I see him tonight. 

[Alexx]

Definitely double check about that land border, ThaiVisa is probably your best bet for up to date information. When I went to Mae Sot years ago, I could cross into Myanmar, but it wasn't legal for travelers to leave the border town (Myawaddy). Burmese immigration actually kept my passport to make sure I won't disappear. That might have changed.

[Guest ryanasia]

You have to possess a valid Myanmar visa to cross and there is no VOA. I have asked on TV as well. Just asked here because it is always nice to get info from other gay people that have done these routes. It also helps to create a more active forum. Thavisa is my usual go to on anything Thai related although for gay topics it is pretty much the worst source of information out there as nothing worthwhile is allowed to be discussed.

[Guest ryanasia]

Anyway after thinking about it. I am simply going to give him a bus ticket and some money to go home on and not get involved any further. Doing anything more would only become a headache or emotional attachment. Thanks for all of the advice.

[biguyby]

I suppose I am extremely lucky in never having to worry about an "emotional attachment" I have always lost interest very shortly after I have ejaculated. I have always been a very happy loner.

[Guest ryanasia]

I am doing my best to keep it that way.

[ggobkk]

Anyway after thinking about it. I am simply going to give him a bus ticket and some money to go home on and not get involved any further. Doing anything more would only become a headache or emotional attachment. Thanks for all of the advice.

At least, get in some pool time and then give him the bus ticket.  Think its good that  you are helping out.

[Guest ryanasia]

I have two pools that are nice in my condo so I will take him here and shag him to death. With what i save I will pass it along. So it won't be a bad time I will give him the savings in addition to what i would have spent. 

[Guest ryanasia]

What he does with it or whether he comes back or not is for him to decide.

[Alexx]

Once you've literally shagged him to death, none of that will matter.

[vinapu]

 

 

The first idea I had with the train would have been ideal. I wanted to send home him in style. I thought about flying to Yangoon but the tickets alone are sort of expensive and would rather just give him the money. 

I'm glad you realized  that spending money that way would be spending money on yourself rather than boy. He may have better use of money than flying or taking sleeper  train.

 

So yes, if you like him , rather give him money. 

[ChristianPFC]

He has limited Thai and no English so I am having trouble asking him for advice or even coordinating this. I think he hasn't done it this way before so simply also doesn't know.

 

That's a poor start. Add the issues about his and your visa, and just giving him money for the trip (to go alone) seems the best solution to me.

[Guest ryanasia]

Yeah, I agree so adjusted my plans. There is really nothing more I can do for him so just let him go.