Ask a former money boy anything

[Guest ryanasia]

This should be a light hearted thread and I am open to any questions anybody might have no matter how weird or outrageous. It is Thai related in the sense I was still working the scene a bit when I first came to Thailand. The only things I will not answer are questions that are too personal in regards of retaining some of my anonymity.

 

I have worked all over the USA, Europe, Tokyo, and a little bit in Thailand back in the day. Part of what this thread is about is that random questions sometimes help me to share some stories that may be amusing to others. I have been working on a book for awhile and trying to get some thoughts out there so if I share something here it is only fair in my opinion if I can use any quotes from this thread for such purposes.

 

I will try to make all responses as well thought out as can be so my reaction times might be slow. Just thought this board could use a fun topic and I think it would interest many people on the board and help generate some action.

 

If it is a bad idea, mods can feel free to delete it.

 

[a447a]

O.k. I'll go first.

 

How do money boys manage to get it up and perform when their customer is really, really unattractive?

[Guest ryanasia]

I was primarily a bottom when i was working so essentially avoided that problem. I guess these days viagra and other work arounds are available. I was a twink so 99% of my customers wanted to fuck me anyway. I actually found it too personal to be a top in some ways and preferred just being bent over as it was easier to just take it and pretty much get through the time if the guy was that bad. It was simply less physical contact and intimacy if that makes sense. 

 

Some guys are reporting they can not find good tops and in some ways this makes sense to me it is a more demanding job.

[Alexx]

Great idea, this thread, sounds exciting!

 

My first question is, what was your most common bad experience with your clients? Or in other words, if you could change one thing that guys who hire moneyboys do wrong - either intentionally or by accident - what would it be?

[Guest ryanasia]

Don't be too drunk and kiss the boy or try to french kiss him during this time. Most boys won't mind anything else but if you have whiskey breath and force your tongue on a boy it is not going to be appreciated. I think this is basic common sense. If you smoke and I do smoke use some listerine and freshen up a bit. When I was a boy I commonly refrained from smoking and used mouth wash. Now that I am a customer I extend the same courtesy to the boys I go with.

[Guest ryanasia]

No working boy likes a tongue shoved down his throat

[anddy]

O.k. I'll go first.

 

How do money boys manage to get it up and perform when their customer is really, really unattractive?

 

a follow up question to this one: if the customer is really really unattractive, why not just reject him? You on't HAVE to go with any given customer if you don't want to right? Nobody and nothing forces you to, no (apart financial pressures, but let's leave that one out for the moment ok)?

 

I believe go-go boys in the bars in Thailand can do that, i.e. reject an off. May not happen often, but CAN happen. But like I said, I think that is the case, I don't know for a fact, so the experts here please correct me if wrong. 

[Guest ryanasia]

You don't reject him because you have just come from a long way, you don't have family or friends in the true sense and need to generate an income. Where would I be to say no? I went to Amsterdam with less than $300. You need to look well dressed and healthy or it is a hard battle to fight. 

 

The last thing you want to look like is down and out. So you try to be patient and bide your time. As I said there are a lot of creeps and you sort through them. If you live on the street however, you must avoid looking desperate. The meat market will close in on you and hopefully you can maintain a good attitude. If you are homeless you would never say this, don't count on the generosity of others. 

 

No matter how things are going make sure you always stay positive. I will give a few examples of this later but nobody wants to hear the story of a loser. What I mean to say is if you are a boy and basically homeless do not say it like that. 

 

I tried for the sympathy of others and realized quite quickly I would be taken advantage of. So when I went places and had no money or a place to stay I changed my line of thinking or my story and smiled. This led to many people inviting me into their homes and kept me off the streets at least for awhile. This is how the phrase grin and bare it was invented, I think.

 

When i was in tears in SF some Russian guy face fucked me and threw me out.  I tried to play the down and out card and he simply did not give a fuck. I was looking for mercy that wasn't ever coming my way.

 

San Francisco was a hard place to be homeless. I remember walking home from his house on Christmas Eve when the street cars passed me by because I didn't have the money to take one. He came all over my face and threw me out and I had to walk all the way from the other side of SF back to where I stayed.

 

He had one of the biggest cocks I had ever seen and used me on Christmas eve. I had to walk home he didn't care if I cried. It was maybe in that moment that I realized I need to always over state my position and keep it cool. Welcome to SF. I stumbled past the crackheads and homeless on Christmas eve and trust me i felt sorry for myself.

 

So in answer to your question, that is when I decided for myself that I would no longer bow to any customer that came in front of me. I had a very difficult time on that night. He treated me very roughly and slapped my face with his dick when I was crying. My tears were basically fake but this is the lesson that I learned and from then on I knew to go forward and be myself. I stopped feeling sorry for myself that night because there wasn't a choice. I had to.

 

You can be down and out and people do not want to hear about it, but if you pretend everything is okay you will be more successful. This was one of the worse moments of my life and it taught me how to say no, or to  have more respect for myself in the future.

 

 

The way to say no is to believe in yourself. The times I didn't I was used and passed around. The way to say no is to have confidence in yourself.

[Guest ryanasia]

So it can be difficult to say no to an ugly customer I guess

[Vessey]

Given those sort of circumstances, how did you look upon your customers? - were they just that customers, or did regular customers ever become friends?  - did you ever actually like any of them even if you did not find them physically attractive?

[Guest ryanasia]

Given those sort of circumstances, how did you look upon your customers? - were they just that customers, or did regular customers ever become friends?  - did you ever actually like any of them even if you did not find them physically attractive?

A boy just came over and I wonder who he looks at me. I will get back to you later if that is okay.

[Guest ryanasia]

Given those sort of circumstances, how did you look upon your customers? - were they just that customers, or did regular customers ever become friends?  - did you ever actually like any of them even if you did not find them physically attractive?

 

Yes, of course I became friends or I wouldn't be able to be here now to tell you about it. I never understood the approach of the boys that considered their customers the enemy. There was a lot of attitude involved in Europe and I found it a bit snobbish. 

 

I always tried my best to be friends with the people that were nice so I had a position to fall back upon if I had to. I never understood the boys that burned their bridges. Chemical addiction would speak for itself in such circumstances but I never understood why they were so rude. Maybe it was a cultural difference. 

 

Once I gained a foot hold I was out to get another. So when I was in Amsterdam I was trying my best to hold serve in Germany. I needed to gain a hold in Koln. So I didn't understand some of the short sighted moves some of the other boys made. Certainly as a boy in another country I tried to make friends.

 

Many of the boys would spout words like no money no honey this is definitely not the way I approached it.

[Guest ryanasia]

I was a nice midwestern boy from Minnesota

[musgrave]

Compliments to ryanasia on this post - interesting , candid, pertinent, informative

[Travellerdave]

No working boy likes a tongue shoved down his throat

This is something I did not appreciate. Thinking back of the many boys I have offed in Thailand I do recall several who resisted my tongue but we're OK with my dick. In future I must bear this in mind so that as I don't want to be unpleasant to the boy. I do enjoy tongue kissing as part of foreplay.

[Londoner]

My boyfriend has never kissed me, other than a peck on the cheek. He claims that it's "not Thai". Many MBs have , of course, and so I am aware that his view is not shared by all.

A couple of years ago, he met an old acquaintance in Boyztown  working at Scandric. He had the impression that he was short of money for dinner so gave him some. The guy kissed him and my boyfriend was hugely embarrassed...."He thinks I'm a falang!" he said.

I think you'll find that other falangs in LTRs ( I'm not suggesting the majority of us) have boyfriends with similar views.

[Alexx]

Londoner, I've lived in Thailand for a decade and I must say that the claim that kissing isn't Thai is completely alien to me. I've had my fair share of boyfriends, one night stands and everything in between and I haven't noticed that Thais are any less enthusiastic about kissing than guys elsewhere. That your boyfriend's Thai friend also kissed him (and rather casually so, it seems) serves to reinforce that impression. Unless you mean kissing in public or PDA in general, that's where I think most Thais are indeed much more reluctant.

[Brummbaer]

Kissing, as in spit-swapping tongue in throat kind of kissing, is something few sex workers will do, A kiss on the cheek, like you would give to a good friend, relative or small child would mostly be ok. 

I remember reading an interview given by a famous female prostitute from Hamburg some 20 or 30 years ago. What stuck in my mind was, that while you sell your body and allow your customer to do many things to you, kissing was kept for husband/boyfriend, to be the last remaining bit of dignity, intimacy, privacy or whatever you may call it, that was not for sale.

 

Ryanasia, I respect you for having done a job not many would be happy doing and being so open about it. When I was in the german army in the mid 1980's (conscription army at the time, you got paid some ridiculously small amount per day, basically go to the disco twice and fuel up your car and you had spent it all) some older men seemed to like young men in uniform and offered me money, which I took and had sex with them. I stopped doing that after a short time and went flipping burgers on the weekend instead. I just couldn't cope with it.

[Vessey]

Another question if I can please.

 

Perhaps my most regular barfine over the last 7 years has been a bar girl and she confided in me a while back that she very quickly divides her customers or potential customers between 'Mr Lonely' and 'Mr Horny' and then reacts accordingly to them - in other words to be what they are looking for. (I never dared ask her what category she put me in LOL )

 

Did you feel the need to do the same; mold your personality and performance to act out the role they were looking for?

[vinapu]

 

 she very quickly divides her customers or potential customers between 'Mr Lonely' and 'Mr Horny' and then reacts accordingly to them - in other words to be what they are looking for. (I never dared ask her what category she put me in LOL )

 

 

I think the same person may be one night Mr. Lonely and another night Mr. Horny, certainly my case . I also recall quite a few boys very business oriented  one night and very clingy  another one.

 

Kissing, as in spit-swapping tongue in throat kind of kissing, is something few sex workers will do. 

I remember reading an interview given by a famous female prostitute from Hamburg some 20 or 30 years ago. What stuck in my mind was, that while you sell your body and allow your customer to do many things to you, kissing was kept for husband/boyfriend, to be the last remaining bit of dignity, intimacy, privacy or whatever you may call it, that was not for sale.

 

 

this is my experience as well ,

It why I always ask boys before off or massage if  they kiss, not to dismiss them but in order not to force them to do something they don't like.

Quite a few boys instead of answering "yes" simply plant a kiss sealing deal  immediately and there are those, usually very manly types,   who say 'no' or ' nit noy' but change their mind withing confines of the room later on.

[Guest]

I expect some kissing & usually ask about that in advance. After all, if there is no intimacy, what is the point? If it were just about an orgasm, a massage with hand job would suffice. If only wanting someone to talk to, that could be done in a bar.

 

Only rarely do I have someone not kissing & when that happens, it's usually his last time with me.

Of course hygiene matters & I make extensive use of mouthwash, before going to the bar & usually as soon as getting back to the hotel. On the rare occasion that my guest has stale breath, we visit the bathroom together & I offer him mouthwash, whilst taking some myself.

[Guest ryanasia]

Another question if I can please.

 

Perhaps my most regular barfine over the last 7 years has been a bar girl and she confided in me a while back that she very quickly divides her customers or potential customers between 'Mr Lonely' and 'Mr Horny' and then reacts accordingly to them - in other words to be what they are looking for. (I never dared ask her what category she put me in LOL )

 

Did you feel the need to do the same; mold your personality and performance to act out the role they were looking for?

 

Yes of course you have to be a chameleon in terms of who the customer is and what is expected. This seems like a fairly simple aspect of the job.Some guys it was more iike babysitting emotionally and other guys you had to be the full on slut for them. Which of these jobs was preferable would vary on any given day. The one that is more generous is going to win between the two of these.

 

Also sometimes the lonely need ones would think they don't need to pay as much because they are only wanting to take you out to dinner or whatever. I can understand this but when I was living day to day in Amsterdam I needed to make my ends so out of pure financial necessity would go for the money. Of course some guys had other benefits like you could stay at their place to not worry for a few days so it is always a balancing act. 

 

A good money boy should give the customer what they want so long as you aren't giving too much of yourself for comfort. Ultra horny guys were always around but I would say in my case Mr. Lonely was much of the time the bread and butter of the job. Mr. Lonely is more likely to be a candidate for a sugar daddy long term thing where as Mr. Horny is going to be a short term thing as he wil always be following the fresh meat. 

 

Mr. Horny is also more likely to be a drug user so that can also weigh into the choice. But yeas being a hooker is about role play so you play whatever role is given to you that day. If you are unable to do so you are going to run out of customers petty quickly. 

[Guest ryanasia]

I expect some kissing & usually ask about that in advance. After all, if there is no intimacy, what is the point? If it were just about an orgasm, a massage with hand job would suffice. If only wanting someone to talk to, that could be done in a bar.

 

Only rarely do I have someone not kissing & when that happens, it's usually his last time with me.

Of course hygiene matters & I make extensive use of mouthwash, before going to the bar & usually as soon as getting back to the hotel. On the rare occasion that my guest has stale breath, we visit the bathroom together & I offer him mouthwash, whilst taking some myself.

 

I am not saying kissing doesn't happen but in my case was very rare and if you surveyed the boys most would say that was their least favorite thing to do. Not sure why it is that way but deep kissing was always viewed as something more personal. I am not sure if Thais are much different, because maybe out of habit I never really want to kiss money boys either. If you are the customer though it is always your right to ask for what you want. Many people will do or not do many things and there is always somebody to fulfill that demand.

[ChristianPFC]

Interesting thread, thank you!

 

I would like to know the range of price (minimum - average - maximum) you ever got for each country.

 

And are there any annoying things customers do (I don't like to talk during sex, but some boys do, I have to tell them to shut up; but obviously you can't tell you customer to shut up).

[vinapu]

 

 (I don't like to talk during sex, but some boys do, I have to tell them to shut up;

thank you for a good laugh, somehow I imagined you saying " stop yakking , keep fucking" LOL