Londoner Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Hollande "left-wing"? Are you posting from the USA where a national health service is regarded as ungodly and socialist- in some quarters.. And I suppose Bernie Sanders is "extreme left" ? Quote
abidismaili Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 like their communist brothers of old , they are just better ideologically motivated than the rest. The cause is not inequality. Western nations are the most free ever in world history and also the least racist and most inclusive compared to any other nation on Earth. If racism or inequality is a root cause then many many nations would see deadly terrorists attacks. Muslim countries are the least free concerning people of other faiths. The least accepting of 'others'. They are also far more tribal in their outlook. Even the majority of moderate Muslims will side with the Muslim side in a conflict between a Muslim country and non-Muslim country. Because of a tribal mentality. Like you always support your clan even if they are wrong. That makes them strong mentally. Also many Muslim countries will never in a war come to the aid of a non-Muslim country by fighting the Muslim enemy. That is why I not understand why Turkey is allowed to be a NATO member. If say Iraq or Egypt invaded Christian Italy then according to the NATO treaty it is an attack on all. But Turkey's people will never allow their army to attack Muslim Egypt or Iraq in order to help a Christian nation. It is pointless to have Turkey in the NATO alliance, These people committing these acts have often a criminal record, a not that pious religious live. They are loosers. After a certain age they realize "I will never get a descent paying job (because I am too dumb, or didnt pay attention in school, or am too lazy to work, and if I have a job it pays not good enough for the life style I want), if I continue with my life of crime I will spend many years in prison." Some draw then the conclusion: lets become a martyr. Then all my sins are forgiven by Allah and I go to heaven. This conclusion is made easy because of their tribal association with the Muslim cause and their believing the conspiracy theories and other propaganda. It are dumb people. Idiots. Sadly they will never realize how wrong they were because when you die it is just one big black nothing. You would wish that for 1 minute after dead they had the realization they were wrong. llz 1 Quote
kokopelli Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 For what it's worth, does any one have evidence that millions of people were killed in Japan during WW2? Japan paid a remarkably small but well deserved price for starting it. Most, if not all , the deaths in Japan were result of the fire bombings of cities by US Air Force and atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I would call that a high price to pay. Quote
Guest Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Most, if not all , the deaths in Japan were result of the fire bombings of cities by US Air Force and atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I would call that a high price to pay. Of course, but in comparison with the number of deaths in China, it is a very small number. Quote
vinapu Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 Also many Muslim countries will never in a war come to the aid of a non-Muslim country by fighting the Muslim enemy. but they are pretty efficiently killing each other , enough to mention Iran-Iraq war or ISIS Quote
vinapu Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 Are you posting from the USA where a national health service is regarded as ungodly and socialist- in some quarters.. you are correct , I once hear that opinion voiced by nobody lesser then tenured university professor so what one can expect from truck driver or burger flipper Quote
abidismaili Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 but they are pretty efficiently killing each other , enough to mention Iran-Iraq war or ISIS Yes, but a Mulsim country will never attack another Muslim country to help a non-Muslim county. The populations will never accept it. Quote
forky123 Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 I'm sorry but being concerned about terrorism unless there is a very specific threat is faintly ridiculous. Even with the latest atrocities there have been under 200 deaths from terrorism in France in the last 10 years. Last year alone there were nearly 4000 traffic fatalities. So you are something like 200 times more likely to die in a traffic accident there than in a terrorist attack. Obviously, when something like Nice happens it is horrendous but worrying about one place over another holds no sense. Worrying about Muslims wandering around BT or SP is silly. Try worrying about getting on MC taxis sans helmet or simply crossing the road almost anywhere in Pattaya. Those risks are far higher. Alexx, kokopelli, ChristianPFC and 1 other 4 Quote
Guest Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 Hollande "left-wing"? Are you posting from the USA where a national health service is regarded as ungodly and socialist- in some quarters.. And I suppose Bernie Sanders is "extreme left" ?I'm posting from the UK & am therefore familiar with our National Health Service. This is centrally controlled state run monopoly, much the same as they used to have in the Soviet Union. Where I live, to get to see a doctor, sick people have to queue up outside the local doctors, whatever the weather. They open the doors, we all shuffle in & the first 16 get to see a doctor. Maybe about 2 hours after arriving. Those who miss the cut have to hope they do not deteriorate before the next opportunity. The diagnosis involves asking a few questions & if you are lucky, they will refer you for the tests necessary to do a proper scientific diagnosis. If you are unlucky, they might fail to diagnose certain illnesses, such as cancer or blood infections (both examples are from the immediate family). Eventually, after many months, perhaps you will see a doctor who is new to the UK & may refer you for the tests required to diagnose your illness. All this is despite funding which has been increasing ahead of the rate of inflation for decades. Only a complete fool would recommend we replicate the Soviet system for industrial production or food production & distribution, as that would lead to queues, shortages and poor quality. Just like they had in the Communist block. That is what we will get for as long as there is an NHS. The way forward is to gradually introduce competition and allow the funding to follow the patient. Worrying about Muslims wandering around BT or SP is silly. Try worrying about getting on MC taxis sans helmet or simply crossing the road almost anywhere in Pattaya. Those risks are far higher.I also don't like standing in the crumple zone on the back of those baht buses. That seems like an unnecessary risk. Quote
firecat69 Posted July 19, 2016 Posted July 19, 2016 I'm sorry but being concerned about terrorism unless there is a very specific threat is faintly ridiculous. Even with the latest atrocities there have been under 200 deaths from terrorism in France in the last 10 years. Last year alone there were nearly 4000 traffic fatalities. So you are something like 200 times more likely to die in a traffic accident there than in a terrorist attack. Obviously, when something like Nice happens it is horrendous but worrying about one place over another holds no sense. Worrying about Muslims wandering around BT or SP is silly. Try worrying about getting on MC taxis sans helmet or simply crossing the road almost anywhere in Pattaya. Those risks are far higher. +1 Quote
steveboy Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 +1 +2 For example, here in the US we are terrorized over terror attacks, while it seems impossible to pass any legislation that tightens control over firearms, that keeps assault weapons out of the hands of those on terrorist lists, and instead legislation increases the allowance of open carry-on weapons and stand-your-ground attitudes. ChristianPFC and forky123 2 Quote
steveboy Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 Do you think I feel sorry for the millions of people killed in Japan during WWII . They brought it upon themselves . Sorry but I do not just like I don't feel sorry for millions of Hitlers Gestapo Germans that were killed . I feel sorry for the 6 million Jews killed by the Germans . I feel sorry for the Japanese civilians killed in WWII. They were not responsible for the decision of Isoroku Yamamoto to attack Pearl Harbor. However I think their death was much less painful than that of the Jews rejected, persecuted, slowly exterminated by the Nazis. What would have been the virtue of the Japanese (and the Germans) in their discipline and dedication resulted in a ferocity that made so much more abominable the way they defeated their enemies. Until their fortunes reversed. It makes me a little uneasy to think what we American civilians would deserve after all the bloody campaigns carried overseas if a reversal of fortunes would hit us, like in a Donald Trump winning the elections... Quote
vinapu Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 +2 For example, here in the US we are terrorized over terror attacks, while it seems impossible to pass any legislation that tightens control over firearms, that keeps assault weapons out of the hands of those on terrorist lists, and instead legislation increases the allowance of open carry-on weapons and stand-your-ground attitudes. perhaps this is American way to reduce overpopulation? Quote