Man hunting in Bangkok - report of trip of June 2016

[Alizizou]

I think they change their number for some reason..

[1moRussian]

... Moreover, they should also realized that based on the client's experience with the boy, it is either words of praise or words of criticism that get spread around.

I always try to mention with boys that we clients have our own means of communications (without giving specific url addresses, of course). And with bar/spa managers too.

 

PS great reports, thanx, Vinapu

[vinapu]

Day 8    

 

Sunday, lazy day for me . As mentioned Raya is to comfortable and sometimes I have problem leaving  room.

At 5 p.m. with friend from the same hotel but not our member we went to Arena.

 

All in all this is my favorite massage place in BKK and usually I start every trip there but recently changed my ways. In December did not go there at all and on this trip only now. But I did not forget boys and certainly they did not forget me.

 

Dit , my favorite from there come to say hallo right away and so did his brother Fai, an excellent masseur whom I immediately recommended to my friend. Art, the mamas an got a little weight and was curious why I was not there that long. Never ever since I started patronizing them on my first trip they  disappointed me.

 

There were several boys but of course first shot belongs always to Dit so off we went for usual 1.5 hr. session. Good massage and a lot of fun since I remembered his very ticklish spot and he knew very well how to defend himself. It ‘s  good to feel like a kid once in a while. Tipped him generously as always, I was surprised he remembered our first long time off, what hotel we went to / BBB / and that in the morning he was walking me to BTS because I was going to Laos, it was 3 years ago !

 

Upon return to the lobby another smiling face recognizing me – James  , quite muscular and very talkative boy I had massage with few times and offed him as well. Perhaps I should stop butterflying all over and park myself there like I did in Dec of 2014 ?  I left all smiling as always. My friend was gone already , I strolled along Silom where street was closed today for Sunday market pretty well attended.

 

In that crowd I met Tao from BBB Inn , my off from third night with their receptionist  shopping for a supper treats.

At 10 p.m. the same friend and I went to , surprise, Tawan. Yesterday I promised to off #48 Ton who was trying to extract that from me for  a few nights but to my surprise, he passed by not even looking at me and hid himself at other end of bar where gym equipment is. WTF I thought, it was very strange. 

 

But it always helps to have friends in high places, Alek #20,  whole excited about tomorrow escapade to Pattaya with me greeted me right away with reminder that he will be in the lobby at 11 and shortly after  he came with news that #48 can’t do long time tonight for some reason. O Gee,  couldn’t he just come and tell me that , after all I’m in Tawan?. There are a lot of substitutes and actually one was sitting just in front of me.  No , not Alek, he got already a bit of business  and will much more but #15 Boy. So no harm done Ton.  But I guess he was trying to save  a face pretending that he doesn’t see me so I went to his hiding corner , told him that it is Ok, slipped 100 baht deep in his briefs , hugged him and made a peace  before even war started.

 

It worked for me, truth is Boy is charming  bastard,  company of whom I adore.  He is probably smallest of all Tawan boys  but has this cheeky personality which I like. He was my first off from Tawan ever back in Dec 2014 , in May last year I offed him three times . I even suspect he may like me a bit. Even if he does not,  I like him a lot,  simply him more even that his lean body. He knows what he wants but also knows perfectly well why he is being offed. And he is OK with morning gymnastics I so like. So great time I had as always.

 

But in the morning , on departure he tried to spoil  my  mood. Another request for 4000. With so many offs I did not even bother to ask him how much he wants in the bar but there he was. I gave him that extra 1000 without hesitation, he was worth that for me and possibly he even sensed it but I’m not that soft tough  - I told him next time long time off will be 2000 and he kind of agreed.

 

We will see in the future if I will hold to my promise, knowing me , I will. Quite possibly what z909 suggested earlier, he learned from #47 that he was successful so tried his luck, no doubt with success.  After all that time another lesson learned, even if you know boy well make sure you repeat your terms before it’s too late.

 

In contract with few nights before I was still happy, one of those cases where it’s better to overpay and smile than save and be forced to fake a grin. And so day 8 was over.

[vinapu]

 

... #47 was trying to get my attention again but I went only for shaking hands and saying halloo,

 

I wonder if #47 ever wonder why you never book him a 2nd time despite his effort in getting your attention.

The boys talked about tips given by clients among themselves. Shouldn't they also share experiences & talk about the big NO in demanding more tips on top of the agreed amount? Moreover, they should also realized that based on the client's experience with the boy, it is either words of praise or words of criticism that get spread around.

 

we have no control about what they talk about with themselves but certainly they talk. What they tell their friends is up to them and it is not always truth. I know my cases when boys either overestimated or underestimated  tips received when talking to friends. and often when I ask how much they want they answer ' same you gave to XXX'

 

So I'm not concerned about that part. 

 

While ago I wanted to off long time one of the Arena boys but he was very reluctant to go because he never went out with clients. Then all of the sudden he agreed, he told others and they , namely James told him I'm a good guy

 

As for case at hand I was told by one of the boys what he told about me and I hope what I had to say was transmitted to him but I left  it at that. I didn't want to get involved in any intrigues 'he said this, he said that"

 

Bottom line is performance was good but boy was greedy and I don't have much time for greedy people in my life. Since few boys were offed by me more then once on this trip he should get that I did not like something,

[vinapu]

I remember #47 said his name was Mr A but I am not certain.

yes he also goes by that nick but to me he introduced himself as Soda, this is also name some other members know him by so it looks he is using them both.

[vinapu]

I think they change their number for some reason..

actually #47 changed number to # 69, I should mention it in day 8 report   but now I have a word  from visiting dignitaries that he is back to #47. 

 

What  reason it would be ,  I can only speculate but really I don't care.

 

Also #3 Bos was using #23 when I saw him on the last trip.

 

We  are offing neither  name  nor number , we are taking home  boy of interest, name and number irrelevant

[Guest]

But in the morning , on departure he tried to spoil  my  mood. Another request for 4000. With so many offs I did not even bother to ask him how much he wants in the bar but there he was. I gave him that extra 1000 without hesitation, he was worth that for me and possibly he even sensed it but I’m not that soft tough  - I told him next time long time off will be 2000 and he kind of agreed.

 

 

Of course, the client is under no obligation to pay the higher fee.  Just because you didn't agree in advance, it doesn't mean he has 100% control over the pricing.

 

If no fee is agreed in advance, I think civil behaviour requires that a fee within the normal range is paid.  Morally, neither party has the right to demand something outside that.  If he asks for 4000, you are entitled to say no & he's entitled to be demanding more if you're paying less than 1500 long time (possibly a higher minimum threshold in Bangkok)

 

I & several friends have never even paid 2000 long time, yet whoever gets the 1700, 1800 or whatever is always happy to go for another off.   Admittedly, all my long time offs tend to be in Pattaya, where the going long time rate is considered to be about 1500, or perhaps for all but the duds, a little extra these days.

I'm not quite sure what the long time going rate in Bangkok is, but suspect 3000 is generous, never mind 4000.

 

Lets assume we pay 1500 over the going rate, 20 days a year for 10 years.  The retire and pay 1500 over the going rate, 15 times a month for 15 years.   That's an extra THB 4.35 million spent.  

Which is just fine for people who have more than enough stashed away to pay for their retirement & unexpected medical costs.

 

I'll be trying to avoid both underpaying & overpaying, with just enough resources to be fair, without throwing it around.

[firecat69]

Although I agree with your thoughts on always paying at least the generally accepted rate and extra when earned.

 

I do find it unlikely that anyone who retired would continue for 15 years having individual overnights for 15 nights every month. More likely the person would have some regulars and the price would not be inflated. Or a BF would be acquired and then who knows what that might cost.

 

Bottom line , big difference between a few weeks a year on vacation and living all the time in Thailand.

 

Even if Vinapu paid 1500 over (unlikely) 6 weeks a year it only adds up to $2000 per year. In Canada that would get him 8 hours with an escort. So still great value and since Vinapu rarely splurges on Hotels or meals, I doubt his overall cost is that much more then the average visitor.

[vinapu]

 If he asks for 4000, you are entitled to say no.........

in this case in a flash I decided I'm entitled to say yes for a few reasons main being he made me happy.

 

Previous case was different - I sensed we may have a scene so I bought myself out of it for a 1000.

 

As for throwing money  we all do it to a big degree - 1000 $ on ticket, the same on hotels and wad on money spent on escorts be it 1000 or 4000 baht a pop, all this is just wasting money. If in doubt consult your siblings, parents , neighbors and co-workers.

 

Why we do it? Because we like and we can. We are just sort of people who like to have a good vacation. Other like good jewels, good clothing ,  good concerts   or gourmet meals. We like good cock , ass and biceps.

[Jasper]

Lets assume we pay 1500 over the going rate, 20 days a year for 10 years. The retire and pay 1500 over the going rate, 15 times a month for 15 years. That's an extra THB 4.35 million spent.

Which is just fine for people who have more than enough stashed away to pay for their retirement & unexpected medical costs.

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Recently I found myself in the situation where you cannot always plan ahead in life. The boy you fancy could return Issan village,

You could fall ill unable to travel, you may have a mother to look after at home preventing you from a lengthy holiday.

So my motto nowadays "carpe diem" Seize The Day!

If your boy makes you happy Today why you worry 25 years in future by overpaying a little? Afterall you may not have 25 years left in you.

[Guest]

At the risk of overstaying my welcome in this thread, I try to live for today and tomorrow.  

I don't mind overpaying a little, but setting a precedent for overpaying by 30~60% is more than a little.  

 

I may well not have another 25 years in me. However, when I plugged my details into a mortality calculator recently, it said another 39 years.   I might not last the 39 seconds required to complete this thread. 

On the other hand, there was at least one other former board member who apparently died in Thailand, unable to afford medical care or repatriation. I wouldn't care much about the repatriation, but the medical care is more of an issue.  I don't want to splash money around now & be unable to take care of basics later.

 

Anyhow Vinapu, continue enjoying your holiday, keep writing the great reports and pay the boys whatever you like. 

[Alizizou]

Firecat69..1500 for long time offed...lol..dont make a joke..do you think this year is 1969?

[Jasper]

Alizizou, Firecat meant 4500 long time. 1500 on top of 3000 which is considered normal long time tip by Vinapu at Tawan.

[vinapu]

Day 9    

 

After  8 nights in two different rooms and constant scandalizing folks on reception and in the breakfast room time to pack up and leave Raya.

 

Well before agreed 11 a.m. Alek # 20 showed up all excited with the incoming trip and actually I was happy to see him happy even if  whole idea of us going to Pattaya together was his. You made a merit Vinapu thought I.

 

We went by bus from Ekkamai,  we could take a van , slightly more expensive but delivering close to hotel  but one just left  so I opted for the bus. Fast and uneventful trip, in Pattya we were packed in one of  songtaews waiting  at bus station and for 50 baht per person delivered to Pattayaland , short walk to Ambiance and we settled in room on the 4th floor , nothing fancy and pretty small but so was price , fair deal and enough comfort for three of us / wait for developments /.

 

I did not see much difference to a Le Café Royale where I always stayed so far, perhaps next time I need to check Copa to complete Boyztown accommodation.

At night almost no bar noise seeping in even if we were facing soi.

 

We were both hungry so at my suggestion we went to German restaurant on Beach road around the corner from Pattayaland, my regular dining place in PTY. I had my Wiener schnitzel, Alek some Thai fish treat.

 

After lunch we went to  Jomtien , took stroll along the beach  and whenever we passed handsome boy Alek sternly  remarked “ I know what you are thinking”. Not that I was in mood to deny. Few boys with farangs at Bamboo bar, Jomtien complex quite quiet in the afternoon. Lots of bars there and well staffed but I’m not bar person even without an escort. Then we surveyed Sunee plaza, still sleepy.

 

For somebody who claimed not to be in Pattaya 10 years Alek he seemed to be very well oriented  where we are but I did not drill the issue – what difference it would made?

 

Early evening we parted our ways as planned. He stay in the room to catch some sleep and I went down to Panorama Pub to meet with Williewillie as agreed few days ago. We recognized each other  immediately and had a nice conversation over the beer .In meantime at 9 boys of BoyzBoyzBoyz started their singing and clapping  , few familiar faces , among them #41 Win , my off from Dec trip but he did not notice me and I was not pressing the issue either since I was with boy already .

 

After we parted way I returned to a hotel  picked up Alek and we went to  BoyzBoyz Boyz for a show , Scene was crowded , tons of boys , lots of familiar faces , quite  a few new but really if one if for an off it’s hard not to find suitable company whatever your type may be.  Win #41 was doing coyote dance , still did not recognize me. I was also looking for Bank, my quasi boyfriend from May of 2015 but he was nowhere to be seen either.

 

But now  Alek was tasked with finding somebody to accompany us tonight and turned surprisingly picky so mid-show I suggested we change venue to ABomb. It used to be bar to find muscled boys but at least tonight if was twinks and boy next door domain. #99 Cambodian mini body builder I offed in Dec apparently moved to BBB but I did not see him there. I had my tea, much better than all those soft drinks or beer when one is bar hopping, an idea I credit Christian PFC with inventing.

 

In meantime Alek was busy combing through the offerings and finally settled on one who meet his specification and was willing to go long time, 2000 baht. I approved both choice and tip and invited both boys for a dinner to busy restaurant on Second Rd between Pattayaland sois 1 and 2.

 

When our server came Alek again looked at me sternly and said “ I know what you are thinking”  . It was charming young men and if you ever go there chances are you will notice who I’m talking about. But he became in a sphere of dreams for many reasons outlined above.

 

Great and busy night, our guest was perfect, well behaved when it was required and bad boy when necessary. Long night too. At 10.45 I chased them both downstairs to catch our free breakfast which is served to 11 a.m. only. Gave 500 extra to  our companion  , three men of roughly three generations and all happy , what a day ! And a night ! So I finished day 9 smiling.

[vinapu]

At the risk of overstaying my welcome in this thread, I try to live for today and tomorrow.  

 

Anyhow Vinapu, continue enjoying your holiday, keep writing the great reports and pay the boys whatever you like. 

Relax , we all have our priorities,  concerns and spending habits and what one of us considers thrifty it may be another one who may think our spending habits are  too prolific. So everybody is welcomed to share theirs , non issue things.

 

I'm neither rich nor free spender in real life but all my life treated vacation as time for leaving home concerns at home and worry how to pay for it later. Somehow it worked for me so far for many years. I know at one point it will stop, once and for good and that time is near but for now I'm still rolling because I can, chiefly because I'm low maintenance at home.

 

Day 10 was probably most monetary wasteful day  of this vacation , report is being cooked and will be ready in few hours.

 

As for paying boys, no,   sometimes I don't pay what I like, there are cases when I need to pay my way out of trouble or to get good next night sleep but there are also those when I'd gladly pay much more but boy is happy with what I force into his wallet.

 

As firecat sensibly noticed above while I splurge on human capital,  my accommodation,  flight and food costs are   not high , shopping almost non existing and  I just like  feeling that my money is going directly to somebody's pocket  instead of lining pockets of fat capitalists in Kansas City owning this hotel or that restaurant.

Last time I had a coffee in Starbucks was never for example. 

[vinapu]

Alizizou, Firecat meant 4500 long time. 1500 on top of 3000 which is considered normal long time tip by Vinapu at Tawan.

correct and rarely regretted, Tawan and other places.

For those who think I'm Rockefeller's illegitimate son while 3000 long time is my normal rate, I crossed that threshold only 4 times over the years.

 

There are 2 boys , one in BKK and another in PTY I'd gladly pay twice but so far I did  not venture to off them or even try, savings of say 10000 -12000 baht as of today LOL.

[orson]

I never did long time, does it mean you get another round in the morning?

[Alizizou]

Orson..you can do how many round you want from night till morning..hahaha

[williewillie]

It was nice to have met vinapu at Panorama bar. I treated myself to a Long Island ice tea.

vinapu has his priorities

in order. Many older farangs cling to every baht and miss out on the time of their lives. You can live out your

dreams and fantasies, even if you're morbidly obese, ugly as sin and old as the hills, but it will cost you some baht. Or one can fold up their tent and leave their relatives children more money

[orson]

@vinapu, what kind of tea is it? I never seen tea served in tawan before.

[ct2005]

Orson..you can do how many round you want from night till morning..hahaha

Unlikely...

I recalled someone mentioning they did a 2nd round in the morning for long time off of boys in Pattaya...

But I always wonder IF "it goes without saying" that long time off for Tawan Boys is also the same. Any experienced off-er could shed some lights on this?

[traveller123]

Vinapu, thanks for your reports I am sure I speak for a lot of members in thoroughly enjoying reading them.

 

I have never been to most of the Bangkok bars or massage places mentioned but last Saturday my (Thai) partner and I had one evening in Bangkok on our way back from Luang Prabang to Isaan.

I had seen a restaurant called Smoking Pug (or Pig) on Trip Advisor and wanted to try their smoked ribs and chicken and I was pleasantly surprised to see Tawan on a side street as we walked to the restaurant from BTS Salang Dang.

On our way back I suggested to my partner that we take a look at Tawan, unfortunately while we were pondering going in to watch the show one of the guys on the street suggested I went for a massage next door.

I told him I didn't think my partner would be too happy and he advised me to come back next time without my partner.

Oh dear, that was the end of my plan to see the show at Tawan if I valued a happy partner.

I love and know for a 69 year old how good my life is with my guy of 8 years, but I'm afraid I have to look for Vinapu's reports for the one little bit I'm missing

[firecat69]

Firecat69..1500 for long time offed...lol..dont make a joke..do you think this year is 1969?

Oh and by the way although I never said it in my previous post 1500 for long time defined as all night is still acceptable in Pattaya last time I checked . But naturally extra is given if boy makes you very happy!

[vinapu]

I never did long time, does it mean you get another round in the morning?

or you can ask him to make you a coffee

[musgrave]

Hope there is a LP trip report in the pipeline Traveller