Off-fee structure at BBB in Pattaya

[TotallyOz]

I guess it's like any other profession- there is always a minority who do particularly well due to the exceptional talents they possess. The others can only look on in envy.

 

This is an interesting statement to me.  I agree with you. But, I am not sure talents is the right word.  So much of hiring has to do with what a particular client is interested in.  I had one friend in Thailand years back that I loved going to boy bars with as he and I NEVER picked the same boys.  Some of you would hate my tattoo alpha males. Some would love them.  I like that the "talents" the boys have is often so varied and it all depends on one customer.  I knew one guy in LOS that would ask the boys if they had a Thai boyfriend and when they said yes, he moved on and did not tip them. I know others that are totally OK with that. But, every question the boys answer they answer knowing it may cost them a date or rent for that month.  It is not an easy job!

[Gaybutton]

Anyone who thinks a boy can earn 6000 baht a week 52 weeks a year in Pattaya has his head up his ASS.

 

Again I agree with firecat69.  What he is saying has been my observation too.  It's a different story when a farang takes a boy off for several days and tips him decently, as a447a does.  Other than that, I don't know of any boys who manage to earn 6000 baht in 1 week, let alone 52 weeks.  Even back in the "Golden Years" the only way a bar boy was going to earn 6000 baht a week by working in the bars was if he was taken off for several days or was lucky enough to hook up with a very generous customer. 

 

It just doesn't happen.  As far as I can tell it never happened.  Maybe there were occasional exceptions, but I never met any boys or even heard about any boys who consistently made that much.  I don't know any boys who ever made that much.

 

I wish they could make that much.  Again, if boys could realistically expect to earn around 6000 baht per week, the bars would be filled with boys and there would be a waiting list to be able to work in the bars.  Meanwhile the reality is many bars are having problems getting enough boys to work there at all, and stay working rather than giving up and returning to the rice farm after awhile.

 

As far as I can tell, the only people who ever got that much money from the bars were certain characters who were in a position to demand it in return for looking the other way.

[vinapu]

 But, every question the boys answer they answer knowing it may cost them a date or rent for that month.  I

it's why we should treat every answer with big grain of salt, sometimes they bet on pity understating their earning or frequency of offs, sometimes inflating what they make in order to extract higher tip. At other times their stories  don't add up but I just take everything for a face value.

And I don't think their clients are more sincere , we are probably as good in inventing stories serving our purpose.

[vinapu]

 They have limited experience but pretend to understand the lives of the boys .  They do not!

but they can still sleep well knowing there's somebody who does and willing to straighten them up at every turn labeling their posts  ridiculous 

[abidismaili]

And if that guy is especially hot, chances are he'll have lots of regulars at various times during the year, plus a monthly gift of money from farang if he is lucky.

 

 

i would love to hear some stats about this from experienced guys like Firecat69.

 

How many boys in his view receive a monthly allowance? And which percentage of Farang send money on a monthly basis to a boy? What is the average amount?

[Vessey]

On other forums huge debate will rage over the earning potential of the girls in Pattaya and it is clear that the answer varies hugely.

 

My main 'stamping ground' is Soi 6, with 60+ Short Time bars along its length; mostly girl bars and some ladyboy bars.

 

So maybe 500 girls 'available' each day, and many of those would be lucky to get one or two Short Times a week, especially in Low Season.

 

But there are also the 'stars'; not many, four or five on the entire street perhaps who can get multiple STs a day; five or six a day is not uncommon for them at 1k baht each customer plus drinks, tips, share of barfines etc. They are absolutely the minority, but they do exist. One little hottie 'Tuktik' from Route 69 Bar is currently the number one and the guys are jokingly talking about organising a ticketing system for her! LOL

 

I readily accept that the 'market' for the boys, even the hot twinks, is not likely to be anywhere near that of the girls, but my point is that the earning of individual boys is also likely to be similarly diverse.

[firecat69]

i would love to hear some stats about this from experienced guys like Firecat69.

 

How many boys in his view receive a monthly allowance? And which percentage of Farang send money on a monthly basis to a boy? What is the average amount?

There are certainly not a lot of boys receiving monthly stipends and of course the amount is between those 2 people. I have never asked any of the people I knew supporting boys every month. It is none of my business.  Same I have never asked any of the men I know who have Thai bf's . what it costs them.  I do know it varies according to whether the farang expects the boy not to have sex with anyone else or any other restrictions most of which cannot be enforced. HeHe

[firecat69]

but they can still sleep well knowing there's somebody who does and willing to straighten them up at every turn labeling their posts  ridiculous 

Well we certainly could not count on you!  HeHe

[Guest]

Money is fungible. Giving that means you are unlikely to buy an unwanted gift.

[Gaybutton]

How many boys in his view receive a monthly allowance? And which percentage of Farang send money on a monthly basis to a boy? What is the average amount?

 

I think I have enough experience that qualifies me to say you're asking questions impossible to answer.  I don't know how anyone could possibly know how many or how much.  Far too many variables.  Also, I know a number of boys who never had anything to do with the bars, but receive monthly money from farang.  That's not how they met. 

 

My Thai next door neighbor is in his forties, never worked in the bars, and has a wife and children.  He also has a farang boyfriend who comes to Thailand once a year and stays for about six weeks.  The farang financially supports him.  My neighbor works menial jobs.  His wife has a food stall.  There's no way, even combined, they are earning enough to be able to afford a house, taking care of the kids, and driving both an expensive pickup truck and motorbike without the support of the farang.  My neighbor told me about the farang's support, but he never volunteered how much.  I've never asked and I don't intend to ask.

 

Then there are the boys who have a farang who starts sending them money every month, but after some time the farang stops the support.  Even when the farang continues sending money, it's not necessarily going to be the same amount every month.  I don't know any boys who receive an allowance from a farang, but the amount is engraved in stone.

 

I know one lady boy who had a farang sending him money to go to a university.  The boy, instead, spent the money to get breast implants.  He did that without first asking the farang's permission to spend the money other than the purpose for which it was intended and never set foot in the university.  When the farang found out, he dropped the boy like a hot potato.  The boy was heartbroken and couldn't understand why the farang cut him off.  That boy now works as a dancer in a lady boy go go bar, hoping to find another farang to support him.

[vinapu]

so after all this discussion only answer we can give with certainty for  a question "how much boys make?"  is  "not enough" , just like all of us.

[Guest abang1961]

Isn't it true that money is always NOT enough? No matter how much one makes/gets, the amount is seldom enough to offset our bills/needs and wants.

 

Farang daddies who are willing to give a monthly allowance knows that that could be the only way to "hold" on to the guy.  As a mature person myself, I understand the haplessness of a young person like the time I was in college.  There were too many temptations with keeping up with the Jones - cloth

ings, clubbing etc.

 

So with the mentality of making hay while the sun shines, the Thai boy understands that their shelf-life is very short.  Unless they have that something extra (extra inches, extraordinary ability to bottom, extraordinary ability to converse with English or any foreign language, extraordinary good-looking, extraordinary personality), life as an escort is normally doomed from the start.  

So once again to those farangs with thicker wallets, please give and give more (time, money and love)

 

 

Song dedication

Of course, it's ABBA's Money, Money, Money

 

 

Bonus Track: 

Money (makes the world go around) from Cabaret.....the epitome of super camp but fun.

[vinapu]

 

Song dedication

Of course, it's ABBA's Money, Money, Money

 

 

I like ABBA's 'I believe in angels " better, specially with all those Thailand memories

[abidismaili]

 

 

Thank you. And what about Farang? You know many Farang who send monthly money to a boy? Is this something relatively common, or is it relatviely rare? In your opinion?

[orson]

hi, has anyone in the board discussed with the boy to be their boyfriend? how much do they expect monthly support?

[Gaybutton]

And what about Farang? You know many Farang who send monthly money to a boy? Is this something relatively common, or is it relatviely rare? In your opinion?

 

I've seen many farang who send monthly money to a boy.  Occasionally it works out, but that's the exception.  Most of the time it eventually ends in disaster.  As some have already stated, no matter how much you give, it's never enough.  Money issues are one of the most common causes for breakups.  I've lost count of how many heartbroken farang I've seen over the years who ended up losing the boyfriend and ended up with a much lighter bank account.

 

Since you asked for my opinion, my advice would be to keep away from any form of financial obligation, emphasis on obligation.  I certainly would advise against sending money on a regular basis or making any promises about money. 

 

While I can certainly understand why people who come to Thailand and meet a boy they really like would want to help him, the best way is to give him a really good portion of money when you leave - without promising anything more.  He'll be happy with that and you won't be placing yourself into a trap. 

 

It's much harder to stop sending money and maintain a relationship than it is not to start sending money in the first place.  Your heart might be in the right place, but that same heart is also in the right place to end up broken.

[vinapu]

hi, has anyone in the board discussed with the boy to be their boyfriend? how much do they expect monthly support?

I did not but one of my boys offed boys was pressing an issue of boyfriendhood at every turn.  Sure , while after I left money request followed to invest in his business venture.

 

I was sensible enough to to say flat 'no ' in both cases.

 

Renting love  in Thailand is an idea which appeals to some , I'm just going there for a sweet company, nothing more

[Guest abang1961]

Now the wicked/cruel truth is out 

I really hate myself for saying this... No money, no honey.

 

Sometimes reality hurts (both ways, the farang and the boy)

Once the milk train stops coming, the love/promises evaporate!

 

I am not here to be judgmental but we really need to exercise caution when it comes to money matters,

Still tongue-in-cheek, where is my sugar daddy/uncle/brother/son?

[firecat69]

hi, has anyone in the board discussed with the boy to be their boyfriend? how much do they expect monthly support?

Even if they had it would have little meaning because of the variables.  Where does the boy live.  BKK or Pattaya , one is much more expensive then the other .  Does the boy intend to back home to Issan where of course everything is less expensive.

 

Is the boy currently in a University etc.  Most importantly does the farang intent to live in Thailand or be a sometime visitor.. Is the boy expected to not have sex with Thais, farangs etc.

 

Way too many variables for any reasonable answer to be offered. IMHO

[Gaybutton]

Renting love  in Thailand is an idea which appeals to some

 

Now I'm angry at myself for not thinking of one of my favorite quotes and including it in my post above.  I call it the Richard Burk Philosophy since it was Richard who created the quote.  Some of you may remember Richard from the days when he owned the Amor restaurant in Boyztown.

 

When he first said it to me, I was new to Thailand.  At the time I didn't understand why he would say that, but years later I for sure understand it now.  I hope none of you will have to understand, the hard way, why many of us agree.  I have a feeling some reading this topic have already found out the hard way, and some more than once.

 

"If you want love in Thailand, rent it."

[abidismaili]

It is stupid to pay for the boy montly, unless you want him for yourself only and tell him he can not have sex with other Farangs. But since that last demand can not be enforced and you can be sure when you are back home he will go fuck other Farang (he is young, he wants sex, and more money is always welcome) it is pointless to go into that trajectory.

 

Because he will have other Farang acquaintances,  who go 3 times a year to Thailand, fuck him each vistit two times (since they also have other boys during their visit, so lets say it is 2) and pay say 4000 baht per trip to that boy. Compare that with you. You also go 3 times, fuck him each time, but you end up paying much more because you even send money in those months when you are in your own country. Both Farang see the boy equally in time, have sex equally, so get the same out of it,  yet the first Farang only pays 12000 a year to enjoy him, while the second Farang pays around that per month. But the benefit both receive is exactly the same.

 

I would advice: do not do it. It is pointless. His other Farang friends (and most boys have regular Farang visitors, who go each year to see him) will enjoy him for the same time and pay far less than you. Don't believe for a moment he won't fuck other Farangs when you are back home. 

[TotallyOz]

I am one who sends monthly money to 2 boys.  I have done so for over 10 years.  I have it deposited weekly into their accounts.  I feel this gives them options in life and it gives them the ability to make choices.  As long as those choices are good, I am OK with sending money to them.  It is irrelevant to me and it does not hinder my ability to have a good life.  I know it has helped both of them have a great life.  And, on every visit, I tell them that I'll try to keep giving but no one knows the future so save money and don't spend it all.  Prepare for a life without me. 

 

I do not feel bad at all for sending money to them.  I also don't place restrictions on with what or who to do or not to do.  I ask for no drugs in their life.  The rest is not important to me. Both have girlfriends and that is OK with me. 

 

I feel that if I give them enough to survive and live well for Thai standards, then they can work for the rest.  I think most farangs that I talk to send between 20-30k baht per month.  Some may spend less.  Some may spend more. My first Thai boyfriend was able to take 2k baht per day from my ATM.  LOL  Needless to say, that did not work well and he spent himself into the biggest parties Pattaya had ever seen.  It also taught me to not be as generous in the future.

[vinapu]

 

Still tongue-in-cheek, where is my sugar daddy/uncle/brother/son?

right beside you , it's called hand

[firecat69]

And thus my point.  It would be hard to find a more unusual situation then Michael has with his 2 boys .  It works for him and is unlikely to work with most others.

 

Of course it basically also comes down to how successful financially you have been in your life and how willing you are to share that with others.

 

I am completely familiar with Michael and his BF's and am quite sure his rewards come in many ways and Sex is just a small portion of those rewards.

[vinapu]

It is stupid to pay for the boy monthly,

this is only for donor to decide, 

 

he may have other motives that you mentioned and doesn't mind what boy does in his absence

 

i.e. wants still to pay him for good times they have together or simply does it because it makes him feeling good helping some poor but tasty boy to have better life .

 

It's like donations we make to worthy causes, we are never sure if our money goes to do good deeds in say, Burundi or simply goes to buy new mahogany desk for charity's president.