Off-fee structure at BBB in Pattaya

[vinapu]

Giving a gold chain or iPhone will enable the boys to gain instant cash during a crisis, if only they know how to be frugal.

were we frugal when we were their age?

 

If I was a Thai moneyboy age 19 say, a hot looking twink I would do this:

 

remember you are saying that from perspective of person who has lots of life experience, at 19 chances are your budgeting skills were the same like ours at that age - non existing

 

oops.... I guess i have accidentally stepped into a sugar daddy forum. 

 

Am i right???  LOL 

welcome to the forum but no need to be sarcastic on introduction.

better way is to say what you think on the subject

[vinapu]

I don't understand the 'gift' of buying him a trip home. These trips are very cheap. I know a boy whose family lives in Buriram, about 6 to 8 hour (don't remember exactly) bus ride from Pattaya. This is only a few hundred baths if I recollect it well. 

 

few hundred baht is cheap for us,  not  the boys as most of them are living hand to mouth as firecat eloquently and accurately argued above.

 

I got lesson of this last month when was with Tawan  boy in Pattaya. He wanted some fish treat Chonburi region is famous for for his sister. Small jar was 150 and more than twice as much bigger 250. It was eye opener for me to see how disapponted he was by such a difference in price. Of course I bought big one for  him and the thanked me few times for that, even few days later on my day of departure. Did not point all those long time tips but he thought important to thank for that big jar.

 

So those 100 baht companion tips are going long way for a boys.

[vinapu]

 

About a year ago I posted an extensive post on a very Hot and really nice boy.  He would use my computer a lot when he stayed with me and he would show me contacts he got on Romeo etc.  Lots of scum offering him 300 - 500 baht.  Those kind of men make up a large % of the men who contact boys.  

 

I remember that post of yours. No doubt some are cheap charlies but probably some are fishing how low they can go and settling on higher tips

 

 

While I have no intention of arguing how many offs boys have and how much they make,  based on conversation with boys over the years for my personal use I believe that better than average boys are lucky if they have off every 4 days and massage boys are lucky if they get one massage every second day.

 

Sure there are attractive and lucky ones who get repeat business daily but this rarely last long

[ct2005]

...  based on conversation with boys over the years for my personal use I believe that better than average boys are lucky if they have off every 4 days and massage boys are lucky if they get one massage every second day.

 

Sure there are attractive and lucky ones who get repeat business daily but this rarely last long

Could this be during low season? Else, 30 days / 4 (every 4 days 1 short off) * 2,000 BHT = 15,000 BHT might not be worthwhile for them to be in this industry.

During low season, I would imagine that the boys will be in no hurry to rush back to bar in hope for a 2nd off for the night.

[traveller123]

C 15,000 BHT might not be worthwhile for them to be in this industry.

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The minimum wage in Thailand in theory is 300 baht per day, but in the area of Isaan where I live this is a notional rate.

We are close to the Cambodian border and because of job competition from illegal Cambodian workers (where have I heard a similar story?) may be offered 225/250 baht per day for 7, 8 or more hours per day.

This will very often be for strenuous building or farming work in the hot sun.

If they work 6 days a week say 26 days a month at 250 baht a day = 6,500 baht a month.

Even allowing for paying rent in a shared room you can see why 15,000 baht a month would still be attractive when you compare the income and lifestyles.

[abidismaili]

About a year ago I posted an extensive post on a very Hot and really nice boy. He would use my computer a lot when he stayed with me and he would show me contacts he got on Romeo etc. Lots of scum offering him 300 - 500 baht. Those kind of men make up a large % of the men who contact boys

OK. I trust your experience then. I have been in Thailand now 6 times. October number 7.

I had no idea many Farang offer only 300-500 baht. If you do that you are evil. Scum indeed. Probably lower class trash.

 

I trust you on your experience because mentally I just can't believe it's hard for a hot twink to find via the app 4 customers a week. Knowing twinks are the most popular. No more to say about it.

[ishfahan2]

I have spent my time with quite a few rent boys over the last years and I have to back Firecat up on the lowballers there are many people who get a kick out of getting the boy to do most at the lowest possible price. They usually miss out on the really good experiences because the boys hate them and therefore the sex and everything else is a bit crap. This is the case in thailand and everywhere else.

 

As for what sort of class they are im sorry to say its a power trip, so thats got nothing to do with it.It might even be a bit the other way around where someone who is not born with a silver spoon in the mouth has a better idea what the boys life is like.

 

As for the amount of offs off course ( ) only the real superstars off the bars have the chance to get a off most nights. I you do a late round of the bars in off season you will find a ton of boys who most nights are still unoffed at closing time.

 

A lot of the boys I know have farang sponsors who help them every month that seems to be what gets quite a few of them through low season.

[abidismaili]

 

A lot of the boys I know have farang sponsors who help them every month that seems to be what gets quite a few of them through low season.

 

Another one in this forum estimates these lucky boys as not that many.

 

I think only the most beauitful have sponsors. Because I think the average Farang can not afford to sponsor 4 or 5 boys every month. Most will settle on 0 or 1 boy they choose to sponsor. Since if you decide to sponsor someone every month, it is reasonable to assume you choose the most beautiful boy for this benefit. So this makes me believe (but again I can be wrong, just working on intuition here) that the huge bulk of boys are not sponsored. Only the top ones who are in the top 5% or so in looks.

[firecat69]

You need to give up on this Hottest Look BS.  First of all  Boy you may consider Hot, I may not find Hot at all and vice versa.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder .  Most of the boys I know who have landed long term relationships that have gone on for years have been attractive but hardly Model material.

 

Many of the Boys that looked the Hottest turned out to be the worst offs and just like the boys talk about us , we talk about the boys.

 

I don't know about the rest of us on this Forum but if I was to consider sponsoring another boy , the last thing on my mind would be if he was considered the most beautiful boy by others .

 

Past experience has told me that looks are just one of many things to consider in an off or a long term arrangement.

[firecat69]

I remember that post of yours. No doubt some are cheap charlies but probably some are fishing how low they can go and settling on higher tips

 

 

While I have no intention of arguing how many offs boys have and how much they make,  based on conversation with boys over the years for my personal use I believe that better than average boys are lucky if they have off every 4 days and massage boys are lucky if they get one massage every second day.

 

Sure there are attractive and lucky ones who get repeat business daily but this rarely last long

Please explain the difference between a cheap charlie and someone who is fishing for how low they can go below the generally accepted minimum.  They look the same to me!

[Gaybutton]

Please explain the difference between a cheap charlie and someone who is fishing for how low they can go below the generally accepted minimum.

 

Maybe the difference is Cheap Charlies and Even Cheaper Charlies.

[vinapu]

 

As for what sort of class they are im sorry to say its a power trip, so thats got nothing to do with it.It might even be a bit the other way around where someone who is not born with a silver spoon in the mouth has a better idea what the boys life is like.

 

As for the amount of offs off course ( ) only the real superstars off the bars have the chance to get a off most nights.....

and this is an impression I have too, I heard it few times from boys about farangs who offed them to high class hotels like Lebua, preceding with lavishly funded dinner and then offered tip lower that even standard one .

 

Although it's not always because client  is cheap, sometimes simply he may not have an idea what rate is  but for boy it makes no difference.

 

 

as for offs - yes , even superstars are going home empty handed. I had recent report from my beloved Tawan from guy who visited few nights in row and saw one of their brightest stars customer less night after night.

[vinapu]

You need to give up on this Hottest Look BS.  First of all  Boy you may consider Hot, I may not find Hot at all and vice versa.

 

 

you are on the roll in this thread LOL

 

Of course you are right, to prove that point it's enough just to read comments in our ' model 'thread when some are salivating over boys,. dismissed by  others right away.

 

I mentioned it already I got great kick when proudly presented my companions to ChristianPFC who invariably whispered ' too fat"

[vinapu]

Please explain the difference between a cheap charlie and someone who is fishing for how low they can go below the generally accepted minimum.  They look the same to me!

Please note 'below ' is your addition, I did not say that

 

It goes by an actual deed.

 

If I pay the boy 300 or 500, call me cheap charlie and worse.

 

If I offer the same but actually accept his  higher counteroffer or pay him going rate even if out of whatever reason he accepted  my low ball I'm not cheap, I was just testing market.

 

The same with boys and long times. If he agrees to 3000 and in the morning wants 4000 he is greedy.

 

If he wants 5000 but settles on 3000 he was just testing market

[firecat69]

Not the same thing at all and I'm surprised you trying too say it is.

 

Only someone who lives in a cave and doesn't know about the internet could not know what the low acceptable price is in any location and type of boy.

 

If you really think that someone who offers 300 baht does not know that the normal minimum rate is 1000 then I have a building I want to sell you.

 

Try offering a 750 to a Tawan boy and see what response you get.

 

Plus I made it quite plain in my post way back when that boy countered and farang once again said 300 .  Not one but a number of conversations like that.

 

Under your scenario if Cheap Charlie offered 300 and boy was hungry and had to take it , that would be ok.

 

Sorry for you if you think that is ok?

 

I think the jerk that offers 300 should do what he is and jerk off!

[brall3]

Prostitution is a business plain and simple. Like all business one party tries to make as much money as possible while the other party tries to pay as little as possible - simple economics.

 

If anyone wants to feel sorry for the guys and shower them with money, so be it. Their money is theirs to do with as they please. As far as sympathy goes, there are a lot of homeless/hungry people sleeping on the streets in all of our countries. What about sympathy for those people and giving them a lot of money? I am sure that they would very much appreciate you and the offer.

 

Aside: the next time you are out strolling about, check out the parking areas near the bars. Many many many of the poor money boys are driving some very expensive motorcycles, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds for them - ha ha.

 

Guys, lighten up. No one tells you how to spend your money and if they did you would resent the hell out of it. So afford others the same courtesy.

 

This and other similar boards are great for providing valuable helpful information. Let's encourage others to contribute their experiences and welcome those who seek information and not discourage them by posting personal attacks Remember: treat others as you would want to be treated.

[vinapu]

firecat , you asked for an explanation and I did, no need for an argument

 

Under your scenario if Cheap Charlie offered 300 and boy was hungry and had to take it , that would be ok.

 

ask hungry boy what he says first, otherwise it's just paternalistic

 

drowning person may consider one who throws him a razor his saviour

[vinapu]

... poor money boys are driving some very expensive motorcycles, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds for them - ha ha.

 

and rightly so , you know how expensive is to maintain , insure and fill up those things? LOL

 

on more serious note I don't think that many and some  of those who do are owning vehicles  they shouldn't  because they can't afford it, just like lots of  people in our own countries.

[firecat69]

Prostitution is a business plain and simple. Like all business one party tries to make as much money as possible while the other party tries to pay as little as possible - simple economics.

 

If anyone wants to feel sorry for the guys and shower them with money, so be it. Their money is theirs to do with as they please. As far as sympathy goes, there are a lot of homeless/hungry people sleeping on the streets in all of our countries. What about sympathy for those people and giving them a lot of money? I am sure that they would very much appreciate you and the offer.

 

Aside: the next time you are out strolling about, check out the parking areas near the bars. Many many many of the poor money boys are driving some very expensive motorcycles, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds for them - ha ha.

 

Guys, lighten up. No one tells you how to spend your money and if they did you would resent the hell out of it. So afford others the same courtesy.

 

This and other similar boards are great for providing valuable helpful information. Let's encourage others to contribute their experiences and welcome those who seek information and not discourage them by posting personal attacks Remember: treat others as you would want to be treated.

Have no idea what you are talking about in personal attacks unless you are a Cheap Charlie and then if the shoe fits wear it.

 

I don't know where you go but there are no money boys driving expensive cars that I know of and as far as motorcycles the motorcycle shops have a great scam.  They sell the boys a motorcycle on payments where they will pay 4x the value of the bike if they keep up with payments and if they miss one payment they take it back regardless of how many payments have been made. I have been to Thailand 50 x and although I am not familiar with Tawan boys I have never known a GoGo Boy with a car unless he was driving a rich BF's car.  

 

Don't talk about things you know nothing about and talk about beggars in other countries as if that has anything to do boys who sell themselves for Sex in Thailand

 

  Plus I don't remember anything about showering boys with money by anyone .  Some here pay a little over the norm because they want to.

 

It's a business then try walking into a restaurant and offering 1/3 the menu price or a lawyer and offering 1/2 is hourly rate etc etc etc.

You would get kicked out on your ASS!

 

Oh and by the way people do come here for information and there are probably 1000's of posts about the expected minimum tip in different places and cities.  There are no posts here to my knowledge about how much you can cheat the boys!

[vinapu]

 

 They sell the boys a motorcycle on payments where they will pay 4x the value of the bike if they keep up with payments and if they miss one payment they take it back regardless of how many payments have been made.

and this is exactly when this pitiful 300-500 may come handy.

 

I can say it loudly  because I  pay way, way more but still remember old saying that not everybody who shits on you is your enemy nor everybody who is taking you from shit is your friend.

 

Few boys have a car but truly few I guess, not long ago we had report from poster offing Jupiter boy to Babylon who took him there in his car.

[firecat69]

Is it possible that 1 out of a 1000 boys actually owns a nice car ( not BF's car).  Everything is possible just not likely. We have posters who think some boys at BBB get paid 22,000 a month. Gee that would mean a big loss on every boy even if there were 1000 baht off fees which of course there are not.

 

There would be a Limo from Jupiter heading to Pattaya if their Hottest Boys ever thought some Bar was stupid enough to pay 22,000 baht per month.

 

The one thing you can believe is that you can't believe anything a Mamasan or waiter .tells you 

 

Which is why you ask those kind of questions in a Forum like this and with a little luck someone with many times more experience then you will be able to give you the straight (hehe) information!

[vinapu]

 

The one thing you can believe is that you can't believe anything a Mamasan or waiter .tells you 

 

this I can agree 120%,  even boys when asked  about earnings are inflating if they think they can extract higher tip  or deflating to trigger generosity out of pity.

[TotallyOz]

I have a great deal of friends in NYC who were escorts when they were younger.  The simple truth is that the business is all about fucking.  If you use an escort / moneyboy / hooker / prostitute don't fall in love and expect them to fall in love with you.  It is a business for them and any relationship that starts with money will always be about money.

 

Money is the thing that makes the world go round.  It is the reason many come to Thailand.  They can easily get in LOS what they can't in their own country. That is a semblance of a relationship with a younger guy. We all want to have love in our life and the boys want the same.  Often, they are content just knowing that someone cares so much about them that they will forgo the problems that the relationship has to maintain that sense of being loved. 

 

My very long term boy knows that I love him.  He knows that I am his rock.  He knows that I want his happiness.  He knows that when I buy him things that I expect him to take care of them.  Often I am disappointed as he will sell for Mama but when that happens, he does not get anything like that item again. He has learned over the years that there are limitations and boundaries.

 

When we were first together, I think I bought him at least 5 or 10 phones.  At least 3 or 4 motorbikes.  I showered him with everything I thought he desired.  Instead, he just wanted to know I would not leave him for someone younger, cuter or fresh.  When he became comfortable in the fact that I wanted him long term, his entire perception changed for the better.  He still fucks up from time to time as do I.  But, he knows that the fuck ups have a cost and they now come very rarely. 

 

The conversation in this thread has been truly wonderful to read.  I have thoroughly enjoyed it.  Firecat knows a great deal about the moneyboy scene in Thailand as he has been around the block a few times.  Vinapu is quickly making up ground on him and living his life wonderfully when he visits this great place.  Others involved in this conversation have given me a lot to ponder and think about.

 

For new people reading this thread, just know that paying the going rate is fine.  Paying more is fine.  Showering boys with gifts is fine.  Being a cheap charlie isn't fine. But, like everything in this thread, that is just my opinion.  Also, for those reading know that sometimes, not often, but sometimes you meet a boy that really changes you and helps you and is kind to you and will do anything he can do for you.  That may not be love, but it is damn close and that experience is totally worth all the failed relationships ones has in this amazing place! So, in the end, a few gifts that were irrelevant to me, meant a great deal to him and his family.  Now, life goes one.  I wake up beside him each day.  I laugh with him every day.  And, when we go to bed at night, he always gives me a kiss and says, "thank you." Goodness, I love Thailand!

[bucknaway]

Do the guys on pattaya know that this forum set the minimum tip at 1000 baht? Many guys are on planet romeo offering themselves for 300 baht. The massage guys on the beach tell me we can finish the massage in my room for 500 baht.

 

I'm interested in what others pay only for information purposes only. Have I been a cheap Charlie? Maybe, show me the guy and I can tell you why I tipped him and why.

[Vessey]

I have a great deal of friends in NYC who were escorts when they were younger.  The simple truth is that the business is all about fucking.  If you use an escort / moneyboy / hooker / prostitute don't fall in love and expect them to fall in love with you.  It is a business for them and any relationship that starts with money will always be about money.

 

Money is the thing that makes the world go round.  It is the reason many come to Thailand.  They can easily get in LOS what they can't in their own country. That is a semblance of a relationship with a younger guy. We all want to have love in our life and the boys want the same.  Often, they are content just knowing that someone cares so much about them that they will forgo the problems that the relationship has to maintain that sense of being loved. 

 

My very long term boy knows that I love him.  He knows that I am his rock.  He knows that I want his happiness.  He knows that when I buy him things that I expect him to take care of them.  Often I am disappointed as he will sell for Mama but when that happens, he does not get anything like that item again. He has learned over the years that there are limitations and boundaries.

 

When we were first together, I think I bought him at least 5 or 10 phones.  At least 3 or 4 motorbikes.  I showered him with everything I thought he desired.  Instead, he just wanted to know I would not leave him for someone younger, cuter or fresh.  When he became comfortable in the fact that I wanted him long term, his entire perception changed for the better.  He still fucks up from time to time as do I.  But, he knows that the fuck ups have a cost and they now come very rarely. 

 

The conversation in this thread has been truly wonderful to read.  I have thoroughly enjoyed it.  Firecat knows a great deal about the moneyboy scene in Thailand as he has been around the block a few times.  Vinapu is quickly making up ground on him and living his life wonderfully when he visits this great place.  Others involved in this conversation have given me a lot to ponder and think about.

 

For new people reading this thread, just know that paying the going rate is fine.  Paying more is fine.  Showering boys with gifts is fine.  Being a cheap charlie isn't fine. But, like everything in this thread, that is just my opinion.  Also, for those reading know that sometimes, not often, but sometimes you meet a boy that really changes you and helps you and is kind to you and will do anything he can do for you.  That may not be love, but it is damn close and that experience is totally worth all the failed relationships ones has in this amazing place! So, in the end, a few gifts that were irrelevant to me, meant a great deal to him and his family.  Now, life goes one.  I wake up beside him each day.  I laugh with him every day.  And, when we go to bed at night, he always gives me a kiss and says, "thank you." Goodness, I love Thailand!

 

Thank-you that was an inspiring post, one of the best I have read on this forum!