Gogo boy drink tips and the No-sex Off

[vinapu]

Reading all this and as I'm going to Pattaya with my Asian long term boyfriend, which go go bar is the best to go as couple or any of them it will work?

This questions as from reading the forum it seems not to be accepted everywhere to come as couple. ;-)

all of them will do, actually coming with somebody makes you less of a target for pestering mamasans because they will think you are with boyfriend already.

 

On another hand be prepared that some adventurous boys will suggest they will go with both of you and make sure you prepare yourself with an answer.

 

BoyzBoyzBoyz is in my opinion the best bar in whole Thailand so make sure you will not miss it. I like boys of Tawan and show at Jupiter better but overall BBB is the king in my book.  

[Guest 2guys]

Thanks for ur guys tips and info.

 

On another hand be prepared that some adventurous boys will suggest they will go with both of you and make sure you prepare yourself with an answer.

 

Sounds teasing and I think we Could well be tempted to go for it once in a while.... After all it's holiday and some fun has to be part of that. Even though we are together for several years, we do like some fun and excitement once in a while (being it only when we are together and both are into it).

[vinapu]

exactly, this is what vacations are for - escape from daily routine.

 

If you decide to have a go at boy make sure you fix conditions, some boys may request double tip or at least higher tip because there are two of you.Not my experience but I heard such request made by one of Tawan boys and guys in question agreed. 

[Guest ryanasia]

I don't think a higher price because there are two people is unreasonable. How much higher is a matter to negotiate. 

[bucknaway]

On one trip to Pattaya, I went with a Thai friend from Bangkok but he was often mistaken for a Caucasian guy.  He wanted to go to Pattaya and off a gogo guy for sex.  I had to do all the talking because he didn't want anyone to realize he was Thai and once he spoke, he said they would know he was Thai.

 

We went to Abomb and found a guy he liked.  I did all the talking and offed him.  All 3 of us went back to the condo and seperately took a shower.  I had to help start them off by touching and talking to the gogo guy and had him lay on the bed.  I pulled my thai friend to us and as they began I began to pull away.  When they started getting into it, I wrapped a towel around myself and sat on the balcony to give them some privacy.  

 

When I came back into the room they were in full fuck mode.  I sat and watched.  When they were done the gogo guy asked me why I didn't join them.  I had plans for my Thai friend but I made up some excuse to him.  In truth I didn't know what the cost of a 3way would run and I was looking forward to having fun with my Thai friend when we settled into bed alone.  He was worth the wait.

 

In the morning my Thai friend and I talked about the night and through the conversation he told me that a 3 way would not have cost us anymore in the tip.  The guy agreed to the 3 way in the bar for 1700 baht.  When I mentioned the tip, I thought I was striking the deal for one but they both thought I was arranging a 3way.

[vinapu]

I don't think a higher price because there are two people is unreasonable. How much higher is a matter to negotiate. 

 

 he told me that a 3 way would not have cost us anymore in the tip.  The guy agreed to the 3 way in the bar for 1700 baht.  When I mentioned the tip, I thought I was striking the deal for one but they both thought I was arranging a 3way.

this is exactly why I suggested to fix details before off as everything from single tip to double one and everything in between may be expected and requested.

 

Out of my 5 cases of crowded bed , three were the same like bucknaway example , boys went for single tip at their suggestion.

 

Two other cases were of Tawan boys who came with an idea to  warm my bed from each side, I tipped each of them full tip not because they requested but because I wanted having reason not to be economize with them due to past performances. No regrets.

[Guest 2guys]

Learning a lot here as a newbie in the scene.

[Gaybutton]

make sure you fix conditions, some boys may request double tip or at least higher tip because there are two of you.

 

I'm not following what you're trying to say.  At minimum a double tip would be expected if he is going to be spending his time with two customers taking him off, whether sex is involved or not.  I don't think it would be reasonable to expect a boy to accept two for the price of one.

 

I could see tipping for one if one customer takes the boy off, goes to dinner or something with him, and a friend just happens to be there and joins you - and no sex is involved.  That's entirely different.

[Guest ryanasia]

I don't agree that it would be twice the tip if no sex is involved. Many times I have boys agree to come out to drink if I just pay the off fee. If sex is involved that's different if you are planning to run a train on the guy, but for just drinks I don't think that drinking with two people is twice the work as drinking with one. 

[Gaybutton]

I don't think that drinking with two people is twice the work as drinking with one. 

 

Does that matter?  The boy is spending time with you at your request.  How much money are you going to save by denying him a tip for spending time with you, let alone two of you? 

[vinapu]

I'm not following what you're trying to say.  At minimum a double tip would be expected if he is going to be spending his time with two customers taking him off, whether sex is involved or not.  I don't think it would be reasonable to expect a boy to accept two for the price of one.

 

 

" make sure you fix conditions, some boys may request double tip or at least higher tip because there are two of you"

 

this is what I'm trying to say - agree on condition beforehand.

 

While I fully agree that both logic and fairness demands that if two  clients are involved tip should be doubled,  as both Bucknaway and my own experiences described above shows boy may settle for less on his own will including having a go for one tip.

 

And this may not be unreasonable  in case when boy has an actual sex with only one  with other just watching while knitting a scarf or something or boy is just curious or he will charge for being fucked but fucking other guy he will consider just as a bonus - up to him as they say in Kansas

 

Bottom line - tell the boy what scenario you expect and ask him about the fee

[vinapu]

Many times I have boys agree to come out to drink if I just pay the off fee. 

 

Does that matter?  The boy is spending time with you at your request.  How much money are you going to save by denying him a tip for spending time with you, let alone two of you? 

if boy agrees - what is the problem?

Often it may be even him who suggest  that.

 

If you read my June adventures I took Tawan boy for two days to Pattaya at his suggestion . It was his idea and twice over few days before we went he told me that he doesn't want anything from me , just to pay off  fee for 2 days. Exact words were ' you don't need to pay me, just bar '

 

He just wanted to have a short break I suppose. Of course I paid all expenses and tipped him generously at end / two times my long time rate plus 1000 baht /;   but if I did not tip would anybody including you accuse me of not being fair ?   Serious question.

[Guest ryanasia]

Does that matter?  The boy is spending time with you at your request.  How much money are you going to save by denying him a tip for spending time with you, let alone two of you? 

 

I generally tip more than the average person does and if I have a friend and go to a gogo or host bar don't feel the need to tip extra just because a friend is with me. By your logic you should also probably pay double the bar fine. The boy won't ask for more if you are just drinking. If you feel the need to do so that's fine as well. 

 

Basically if a boy comes out drinking with me I will give 1,000 Baht if it ends with him not coming home with me. Who I am with is irrelevant. If a boy is going for a threesome that's a very different set of circumstances. The verbal contract made is between me and the boy. If my friend doesn't touch him than this is normal protocol. 

 

For argument's sake let's say there was me and a friend. We decide to take 6 boys out to drink. Should I pay double the amount for every boy because there are two of us? I do shit like this all the time. I have never had to pay extra for to take a boy drinking just because a friend was visiting and we went into the bar together. If there is no intent to play or grope the boy by either party the bar fine and a regular tip based upon how you feel about the time spent is sufficient.

 

Now if both of you are both groping a boy or playing with him that is different. It still wouldn't be double though if no sex is involved. I normally tip 2,000 for sex so if I did do a double with another guy which I am not generally into I may offer 3,000. Many people tip 1,500 or there about so it is double what a normal tip would be. 

 

Nobody is denying anybody a tip here.

[Gaybutton]

We decide to take 6 boys out to drink. Should I pay double the amount for every boy because there are two of us?

 

Is there some reason you shouldn't?  What you're saying about how much you give under other circumstances is generous, maybe overly generous.  I don't question that and I have no argument with that.  But I don't see how any of that is relevant to this particular argument.  If you take a boy off from a bar, you're supposed to tip him for his time no matter what you're doing with him.  If you call a boy over to sit with you in the bar and you buy drinks for him while he's sitting with you, aren't you supposed to tip him?  Why should taking him off be any different? 

 

Your question about should you have to pay the bar double if two customers are taking one boy together, my answer would be no.  The bar has its fee for taking a boy off whether it's one or a dozen customers.  But tipping the boy is a different story.  If a dozen customers are taking the same boy off together, then yes, I think a dozen customers should tip him.

 

You said, "Nobody is denying anybody a tip here."  In this circumstance, from where I sit that's precisely what you're doing.

[Guest ryanasia]

We don't agree on how pricing works it seems. Many times you can take boys out of a bar with even no tip if it is slow or empty. Sometimes I take boys out based on the fact I will only buy drinks. Once you have paid the bar it is as the say here "up to you" I am not  stingy guy by any means but if you. 

 

It will be understood what the deal is before I leave the bar with anybody. If they want to come just to drink and no tip is offered this is understood. If they require a tip and I don't want to pay they will remain in the bar. It's pretty simple stuff either they want to go or they don't.

 

All dozen guys are interested in the boy? This is a very far fetched scenario. In my scenario which is more likely is that one guy has some interest and the others just happen to be there. Sometimes people will go to bars together and one guy gets a boy and the others go on looking for whatever they want. Each boy I take gets one tip but it isn't multiplied by the amount of people I am drinking with. As I said sex is another angle altogether. 

[firecat69]

Not sure you guys are not talking by each other.

 

Boy gets Double or agreed price when it is Sex with more then 1 guy..    Anything else makes no difference how many guys go to a Disco, movie etc.  Boy gets paid the price when they have sex based on how long and how many people are involved.

 

If multiple boys are invited to go bowling . Then they get credit for the off fee paid and have their bowling paid for and a much smaller then a Sex tip when they leave.

[Guest ryanasia]

Yes, that is exactly right.

[Gaybutton]

Sometimes people will go to bars together and one guy gets a boy and the others go on looking for whatever they want. Each boy I take gets one tip but it isn't multiplied by the amount of people I am drinking with. As I said sex is another angle altogether. 

 

That's fine.  That's not what I'm disputing.  I'm not talking about the other guy just happening to be there and tagging along.  If I'm in a bar with a farang friend, take a boy off, and my friend continues to stick with us, I'm not expecting him to tip the boy too. That would be ridiculous.

 

I'm talking about both taking the boy off, together, to do together whatever it is they want to do with the boy -  sex, drinking, chatting, or something else.

 

Also, just because a tip isn't offered, but the boy accepts the off knowing that, it doesn't mean you shouldn't tip him at least something.  What do you think they're working in the bars for - hoping a farang will come along, take them off, and buy drinks for them?  Since you say you're generous about everything else, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to understand why in this instance when it's time to call it a night, you won't just give the boy a few hundred baht and send him on his way.

 

I'm going to repeat my questions:  If you call a boy over to sit with you in the bar and you buy drinks for him while he's sitting with you, aren't you supposed to tip him?  Why should taking him off be any different?

[Guest ryanasia]

Unless it is sex there is no other distinction.

[Guest ryanasia]

The boy goes with the customer that bar fines him. End of story the others are irrelevant.

[firecat69]

GB maybe you have not been to bars in awhile.  First there are no customers and many boys. Depending on the time of night they love to be invited to go to a disco, bowling, movie etc  where they will have their drinks and expenses paid for.

 

For many getting credit for an off can be a big deal. Instead of going back to their dreary room they will get to do some fun thing with no expense . Most will be happy with that and even happier if they get maybe 200 baht extra and in many cases the rules will be made clear to the extra ( no sex ) boys that they can come along all expenses paid but no tip. 

 

Their choice if they want to stay in Bar for short time and get nothing or take the chance for some fun and credit for an off.

 

This of course is harder to do in High ( if there is a high) Season .

 

Now if offer is made at 9pm then maybe boy should get some baht also , but at midnite, he can't wait to leave.

[Guest ryanasia]

Again if I bar fine a boy it is me that is solely responsible for the tip. It isn't done by consensus. This also means if I want to go further the boy would be with me and me alone. If everybody was forced to tip than yes we could divide it and tip 100 Baht each. That would give a tip of whatever. This is the way Indians would run the show. If I take the boy out and pay the bar fine I am responsible for any tip.

[Gaybutton]

Again if I bar fine a boy it is me that is solely responsible for the tip.

 

Then give him a tip.  Why on earth you won't goes beyond me.

[gerefan]

If I take a few boys off to Karaoke/Bowling or Morlam I pay the ones I select a tip. If friends that I havent selected come along, of course no tip. This happens a lot at Morlam.

 

There is no way I would only tip 200 Baht for that...keeping him out of bed (or away from his b/f, friends etc) until 4 or 5 a.m.

 

My rules are ..

500   for Morlam or Karaoke..

1000 for short time...maybe a bit more if good..

1500 for long time...

 

If I take off more than one boy for either short or long time its 1000/1500 per boy.

 

If 2 falangs took 1 boy (yuck not my scene) then IMHO they both pay....just as you would pay for 2 boys if you chose to take 2 off.

 

Seems simple enough to me

[Gaybutton]

GB maybe you have not been to bars in awhile.  First there are no customers and many boys. Depending on the time of night they love to be invited to go to a disco, bowling, movie etc  where they will have their drinks and expenses paid for.

 

I am very well aware of that.  Even so, if I take a boy off from a bar, no matter what time, no matter where we go or what we do, and no matter what I'm paying for, from me he's still going to get a tip.  If sex is not involved, maybe it will be less of a tip, but it isn't going to kill me to give him a few hundred baht - and since there are no customers he's going to need it.  What's the point of not giving him a tip?

 

Even if he's agreed to go and it was made clear to him and he understands there would be no tip, you can bet he's still hoping for a tip anyway.  He'll be getting one from me.  I have a feeling you would do the same.

 

While maybe the boy would be happy to be taken to whatever and have his expenses paid, if it's a boy I've taken off from a bar and like well enough to do these things with him, I'm going to send him home happier.

 

I agree with gerefan's post above.