December 2015 adventures- Bangkok and Pattaya trip

[vinapu]

I'm going to give both Tawan and Jupitar another try based on your reports.  I think things may change time after time and am always willing to spend a few dollars to check in on a place.

they do change, last December best line up in soi was Dreamboys, in May it changed to XSize, this time as we will learn soon I liked Hot Male the best.

 

Let us know how you liked it, keep in mind my accolades about those  two bars are what I liked, my disapointment with Dreamboys  line may be actually a boon for  ChristianPFC , z909 and the likes who are not into beefier  and older  men.

 

Even boys are changing and ones looked for excuse to leave early  in the past now are  in no rush to leave as I discovered to my joy in day 5 , soon to be reported.    

[abidismaili]

Do others also read these trip reports to see if the author has had a date with your BF or with other Thai boys you dated? 

 

It is one of the reasons why I read the reports. To see what my BF is up to :-).

He is very hot and popular, so always interesting for me to try to spot him in the reports. It is of course not always possible from the descriptions to identify the guys, but sometimes it is. 

 

I once saw my BF in a picture posted on this forum. 

[TotallyOz]

Do others also read these trip reports to see if the author has had a date with your BF or with other Thai boys you dated? 

 

It is one of the reasons why I read the reports. To see what my BF is up to :-).

He is very hot and popular, so always interesting for me to try to spot him in the reports. It is of course not always possible from the descriptions to identify the guys, but sometimes it is. 

 

I once saw my BF in a picture posted on this forum. 

 

In my personal opinion, if your bf is not paid year round, there should be no expectation of anything.  I know many who have BF for a few weeks or months a year and expect them to stay home and be waiting for their return while not paying them.  Anyone that is working is fair game.  Like you, I do like to see what the BF is up to but it has been less and less over the years and now I talk to them once a week or so and that is it.  I have 2 LTB that I support year round and I have greater expectations of them but I am even open to that as well.  They both have women and lives outside of me and that makes me happy.  If they wish to work in a bar that is OK with me as long as I know and can adjust my contribution to their weekly income. 

[abidismaili]

In my personal opinion, if your bf is not paid year round, there should be no expectation of anything.  I know many who have BF for a few weeks or months a year and expect them to stay home and be waiting for their return while not paying them.  Anyone that is working is fair game.  Like you, I do like to see what the BF is up to but it has been less and less over the years and now I talk to them once a week or so and that is it.  I have 2 LTB that I support year round and I have greater expectations of them but I am even open to that as well.  They both have women and lives outside of me and that makes me happy.  If they wish to work in a bar that is OK with me as long as I know and can adjust my contribution to their weekly income. 

 

I am not rich enough to support him. So I understand he needs to date Farang customers. He knows I know.

If I had the money like you I would support him with a decent income. But even then: can you really trust he then would not date others? Young guys are horny all the time. They do not wait with sex till you arrive back in Thailand. So why send them money every month? You get nothing extra's out of it that his normal customers also do not get out of it. And for them it is far cheaper. They only pay per date. You send a lot of money monthly and get nothing extra out of it. Not more sex, not more time with him. Nothing.

[vinapu]

 

 

It is one of the reasons why I read the reports. To see what my BF is up to :-).

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what kind of boyfriend you are if you are spying on your own boyfriend and admitting it in the open?

 

If your boyfriend works in the bar of massage you expect him to work  the same way you'd expect if he were working as railway conductor or burger flipper at McDonald, right? 

[firecat69]

"not  to dispute your findings - I don't have good memories from Jupiter offs as well,  but it needs to be noted that only reliable way to find if boy have an attitude or not is to try to off him."

 

 

I am talking about personal experience and not one time or one comment.  I tried your way!  That is why I kept giving  Jupiter a number of chances.  At least 6 or 7 chances and 3 of them were boys I had had before from Soi Twilight.

 

Every off bad to abject failure and in every case it was attitude.

 

You even admit nothing but failure there and you are probably one of the easiest posters on this Board to find something good in an Off or massage.

 

 

Over the years I have found dozens of posts mentioning bad offs and attitude from Jupiter.  I don't remember a single post about a wonderful boy.

 

Good Luck to anyone that wastes their money on an off at that Bar  unless they are either a striking woman or a very HOT Young Man!!

[musgrave]

Thanks for your reports vinapu - brings back some great memories of my recent trip.  One of my preferences was to tip any of the dancing boys at the bars who put their heart and soul into the dance.  Many made a slight effort to move in time with the music but I recall one at Dream Boys who really danced his heart out - bless him.  So I thought a reward for effort  placed in his red underwear was most appropriate - the return smile was well worth it. Continue to enjoy vinapu.

 

PS - I thought  surely you would have posted a self pic in your Bike for Dad shirt!!!

[1moRussian]

what kind of boyfriend you are if you are spying on your own boyfriend and admitting it in the open?

 

If your boyfriend works in the bar of massage you expect him to work the same way you'd expect if he were working as railway conductor or burger flipper at McDonald, right?

 

Mmmm, I hope there were no negative connotations, as in the word "spying" - just curiosity and willingness to hear/recognize the BF in other's story. Something like catching a familiar face in a TV broadcasting...

You know, I would have been glad to spot mentions of my that ...hmm... friend at the forum (we are not talking here about wining situation )

 

PS you gave us a lizard photo, so maybe next will be the tiger photo?

PPS yes, please put here a Bike for dad t-shirt photo too

(Btw, bought 2 in Pattaya eventually, 250 for a polo and 100 for a t-shirt, gave them to said ...hmm... friend of mine)

[Jasper]

 

PS you gave us a lizard photo, so maybe next will be the tiger photo?

 

LOL good one.

[Guest anonone]

Do others also read these trip reports to see if the author has had a date with your BF or with other Thai boys you dated? 

 

It is one of the reasons why I read the reports. To see what my BF is up to :-).

He is very hot and popular, so always interesting for me to try to spot him in the reports. It is of course not always possible from the descriptions to identify the guys, but sometimes it is. 

 

I once saw my BF in a picture posted on this forum. 

 

I am not rich enough to support him. So I understand he needs to date Farang customers. He knows I know.

If I had the money like you I would support him with a decent income. But even then: can you really trust he then would not date others? Young guys are horny all the time. They do not wait with sex till you arrive back in Thailand. So why send them money every month? You get nothing extra's out of it that his normal customers also do not get out of it. And for them it is far cheaper. They only pay per date. You send a lot of money monthly and get nothing extra out of it. Not more sex, not more time with him. Nothing.

 

My BF lives in Isan now, so very little chance of spotting him in a Trip Report.  And he would most likely tell me about any adventure long before it was reported here.  We don't keep secrets from each other and understand each other very well....you know, sort of like a real relationship instead of an "I send you money so I control you" type of setup.  Probably best not to hijack vinapu's excellent trip report though.

 

But to your question, I have many, many friends in Pattaya and have recognized them in reports and pictures throughout the forum over the years. 

 

 

Thanks for your reports vinapu - brings back some great memories of my recent trip.  One of my preferences was to tip any of the dancing boys at the bars who put their heart and soul into the dance.  Many made a slight effort to move in time with the music but I recall one at Dream Boys who really danced his heart out - bless him.  So I thought a reward for effort  placed in his red underwear was most appropriate - the return smile was well worth it. Continue to enjoy vinapu.

 

PS - I thought  surely you would have posted a self pic in your Bike for Dad shirt!!!

 

That is great.  I do that as well.  I really, really enjoy watching them dance and habitually tip 100 or so to the best dancer on stage. 

[vinapu]

here's now famous shirt

[vinapu]

 

 

... you are probably one of the easiest posters on this Board to find something good in an Off or massage.

 

 

Over the years I have found dozens of posts mentioning bad offs and attitude from Jupiter.  I don't remember a single post about a wonderful boy.

 

 

you are probably right  about me being easy to please - I don't pay 1000$ for a ticket to be grumpy, that's my attitude.

 

I do recall positive posts about Jupiter boys including by the poster who responded to this thread

[firecat69]

Really where was that. I can' find it.   ( Wishful thinking??)Grumpy has nothing to do with it. Limited amount of time and money for anyone visiting so why waste on a Bar where your chance of getting a boy with a good attitude are so low.

 

Makes no sense to me?

 

Somehow I doubt if you followed your own statement and visited a Massage Parlor even 3 times with poor results that you would not put that Massage Parlor on the very Bottom of your list.

[vinapu]

Day 5

Tao left, I returned to Raya for a breakfast, packed my meagre belongings and went to BBB Inn around the corner. For umpteen time in row I was again assigned room 302 so it felt as homecoming.

 

 

But there are changes at BBB and not sure they are for good. No more massage boys available so place seemed very , very quiet. In fact in my 2 days there I did not see nor hear any other guest. I hope they are doing well on their short time business to make up as it’s pure waste to have hotel in such location not being filled in.

May be fact they advertise themselves as ‘BBB gay Inn” on Agoda scares some people away?

 

On positive side, no more sleeping under the massage towel , this time proper sheet and blanket provided. And air conditioner as always working perfect.

Did not waste time unpacking, marched to San Yan MRT, 1 station hop to Hualampong, 20 baht ridiculously cheap ticket for express train to Ayuthaya and at 8.40 / 20 minutes delay / we rolled over from station. It took us 1 hr to leave Bangkok but only 20 minutes from DonMuang to Ayutthaya and at 10 I was there first time since 2002.

 

Several tuk-tuks waiting at the station, guy wanted 800 baht for a tour, I agreed right away probably overpaid 200-400 but did not feel like haggling so I paid and off we went. We visited several temples scattered all over the place   , weather was nice so to some of them I actually walked instead  of being driven to in order to save  earth from pollution and get some exercise.

 

I can explore ruins to no end so it was pure pleasure for me, not that strenuous as complexes are not as big as Angkor Wat and pretty close to each other.

 

Around 3 p.m. I was done and back at the station but it turned out that next train is in 100 minutes so driver took me to minibus station at the center where I was placed in the bus departing in 2 minutes. It cost 50 baht to BKK,  1 hour later we were already at Victory Monument , BTS to Silom and by time train was departing from Ayuthaya I was back at BBB Inn. 

 

 

 

Went for late lunch to Madrid Tavern at Patpong 1, restaurant revealed to me  by Christian PFC some time ago and only place in the whole world where I eat pizza because I like it , not just to avoid starvation. Not particularly cheap at 245 but worth every satang as far as I can see. That’s the same place Christian just praised in his blog recently.

 

 

Evening stroll along Sukhumvit, definitely I like Silom area better, popped my head at Banana to learn that definitely they will be moving on Saturday and for evening joys I returned to Silom and went to Classic boys  where show just started.

 

Nothing spectacular but enjoyable, quite a few people in the audience including one drunk Indian looking guy being entertained by one of their boys. Guy left alone but left 500 if not twice 500 baht tip to a boy for his troubles.

 

Two ladies in the audience and this time their presence was annoying due to a constant and pretty loud chatter. I was not far from asking “would you bitches shut up please” but somehow held on avoiding an international scandal.

I’m not against girls in boy bars as long as they behave the same way other patrons do, in fact I kind of like them as it adds a bit of spice to an experience but those two and their yaking was pretty annoying.

 

Classic is not a place I normally go to feast on boys, usually young twinks there , not at all my area of expertise but surprisingly I found myself dispensing not one , but two 100 baht departing tips . One to pretty rough looking guy I remember from previous visit  when I tipped him as well and he thank me with ‘welcome to Thailand’ , another one went to more massive veteran there who used to be top when they had fuck show.

 

Briefly I was thinking about offing him owing to amount of muscle on his bones but Guardian Angel somehow intervened and ordered me to return to Tawan not visited yesterday.

Thank you Angel, I was hoping to see Tiger to find out why he did not show up day before but first thing I saw upon entry was # 15 Boy sitting with customer. He recognized me immediately and told me he just arrived from Laos today.

 

 

And we need a bit of background here. He is one of their smallest (in Tawan sense )  boys. For me he is my first ever off from Tawan , one from last night of my Dec 2014 trip. He was greedy demanding 2500 for a short time  and committed grave sin leaving early under false pretext of parking motorbike in wrong spot, still I liked him and when in May I tried to off him as much as he tried to be offed by me  but somehow puzzles did not fit.

 

One night I was with the boy already so even if he recognized me and suggested threesome I declined, next time he was not in the bar, night after I came looking for him and likely they let him know but nobody told me so after hour or two   I grabbed #14 instead to no harm to me only to discover that Boy just showed in the bar- literally minute too late.

 

I asked mamasan about Tiger – he went to Laos yesterday. Why he did not tell me he is going remains mystery but he is forgiven.

 

I have reason outlined below to  believe that Boy  thought I tried to teach him a lesson, not a case but it worked for me. Shortly after I had my drink he came over and said  with charm of  seasoned diplomat “ I want sleep wit you today”, good start. But you are already with client, no problem I tell him I must go with you, you want me to change to a shirt? Thing were moving fast but not so fast Boy – I off only long time , till breakfast, not like last time. I know , I know – hey I think he thought I was holding grudge. At the same time I felt vindicated because in May another boy from there, Tip #51 did to me exactly opposite thing – deal was sealed but he told me he needs to go with another guy.

 

 

I felt a bit sorry for a guy dumped by Boy tonight but I don’t know if any deal was sealed or Boy simply planted beside him. Anyways I was not bitter in May, hope guy was not bitter tonight,  boy’s freedom of going with customer of his choice is not  a bad thing to have.

 

We did not waste time for drinks, he was hungry and wanted to be treated to a steak, fine , we went to place on the corner , I invested in his dinner and even a drink and was happy to.

 

For reason unknown he seemed as happy as me marching together to BBB Inn and in the room happiness presented itself nicely right away. Last year’s infractions redeemed well before dawn to a degree that in the morning when he offered his bed warming services for another night I just gave him 500 baht for off fee asking him to go to the bar and pay and be 

here again at 10 pm. hoping for that to happen.

 

 

It’s a bit strange perhaps but what I like about him is actually personality. Sure he is not short in handsomeness and endowment but he is one of those we sometimes feel simply happy to be with. And I’m not alone in this forum  with such an assessment of boy Boy#15. One of our readers compares him to cat always going his own ways.

 

So day 5 finished  and all my nights so far are still 5 stars. 

[vinapu]

Thanks for your reports vinapu - brings back some great memories of my recent trip.  One of my preferences was to tip any of the dancing boys at the bars who put their heart and soul into the dance.  Many made a slight effort to move in time with the music but I recall one at Dream Boys who really danced his heart out - bless him.  So I thought a reward for effort  placed in his red underwear was most appropriate - the return smile was well worth it. Continue to enjoy vinapu.

 

PS - I thought  surely you would have posted a self pic in your Bike for Dad shirt!!!

me and self pic  - dream on ! LOL

 

My tipping habbits in bars: boy sitting with me if invited 100, sometimes 200

big cock participants - one chosen 100

 

fuck show participants - 100.

departure tip to best looking boy in line who was not tipped for other reason above - 100 , sometimes I reward more than one, once got carried over at ABomb and rewarded 7 !  

If nobody took my fancy then I don't tip - my recent Dreamboys experience.

[vinapu]

Mmmm, I hope there were no negative connotations, as in the word "spying" - just curiosity and willingness to hear/recognize the BF in other's story. Something like catching a familiar face in a TV broadcasting...

You know, I would have been glad to spot mentions of my that ...hmm... friend at the forum (we are not talking here about wining situation )

 

PS you gave us a lizard photo, so maybe next will be the tiger photo?

PPS yes, please put here a Bike for dad t-shirt photo too

(Btw, bought 2 in Pattaya eventually, 250 for a polo and 100 for a t-shirt, gave them to said ...hmm... friend of mine)

I was kidding, I like to hear about my companions in other's hands as well.

 

Your wish about your ....hmmm friend will be granted mid-week in due course since I'm planning to post 1 day of trip per day.

 

You will not get a Tiger photo, not THAT Tiger.

 

By the way it was side discussion about negative experiences we have from time to time. Two of our contributors warned me in the past about Tiger's attitude. I registered but glad I did my own research. At end of my trip I must say that while all of my night stands were fabulous , Tiger , even if present for 2 hrs only seems to be winner , in both activities and an attitude.

 

This proves what I always try to convey -  pay attention to what others say, register , but check for yourself and don't get discouraged at first try, give them a second chance if you like them - this was my case with Boy#15, pissed off first time , in heaven next three !

 

Shirt's photo posted, I paid for my polo just 100 , long live Bangkok !

[1moRussian]

nice stories again Looks like you have a thing for Lao guys... 

 

No - "hmm friend" means not this Lao guy you had luckily mentioned to me. In his case it was me, who was offered a sleeveless shirt - and I refused. 

 

So, no the tiger photo from you? It's pity. Do you mind if I fix it somehow?

 

(a zoo park in Siberia, the tiger decided not to eat the goat and for everyone's amusement they became a kind of friends)

[vinapu]

nice stories again Looks like you have a thing for Lao guys... 

 

 

I do,  but it just happens, I don't chase Lao men particularly. Somehow at end of day when I ask where they are coming from  often it turns they are Lao, lucky me

[vinapu]

  Probably best not to hijack vinapu's excellent trip report though.

 

 

I don't mind, I suspect my reports may be too long for some so kind of break from my ramblings may be refreshing.

[vinapu]

 

 

Somehow I doubt if you followed your own statement and visited a Massage Parlor even 3 times with poor results that you would not put that Massage Parlor on the very Bottom of your list.

surprisingly or may be even shocking for some including myself Hero and Prince are close to be there, in both cases last two massage experiences  were underwhelmed for me, not that something was wrong but  nothing sparking warranting detour from Silom where I spend most time.

 

We will see what happens next time I'll be there

[vinapu]

PS you gave us a lizard photo, so maybe next will be the tiger photo?

you ask , you have

last May , Nong Nooch Gardens

[TotallyOz]

I am not rich enough to support him. So I understand he needs to date Farang customers. He knows I know.

If I had the money like you I would support him with a decent income. But even then: can you really trust he then would not date others? Young guys are horny all the time. They do not wait with sex till you arrive back in Thailand. So why send them money every month? You get nothing extra's out of it that his normal customers also do not get out of it. And for them it is far cheaper. They only pay per date. You send a lot of money monthly and get nothing extra out of it. Not more sex, not more time with him. Nothing.

 

Can you really trust them not to date others?  No   

 

I want them to have money enough to make the decision to do things that make them happy.  The only thing I get is a bit of satisfaction in knowing they are happy and their lives are better.  One of the 2 is about to finish college (one day in the future in a galaxy far away) and the other one has a son to support.  For me, it is totally worth the money just to know they are OK and have money to make their own decisions in life.

 

 

If your boyfriend works in the bar of massage you expect him to work  the same way you'd expect if he were working as railway conductor or burger flipper at McDonald, right? 

You would be surprised at how many want this to happen.  I have heard so many times over the years when a guy meets a boy in a bar and gives him a bit of money and then doesn't understand why he returns to the bar so fast.  It is his work.  This is what he does for a living.  As long as one can understand this, they will be better off. IMHO

 

 

So day 5 finished  and all my nights so far are still 5 stars. 

 

Excellent.  I hope each night gets a great rating for you!

[vinapu]

 

Excellent.  I hope each night gets a great rating for you!

By God's grace , it did this trip.

[Jasper]

Vinapu, you have certainly outdone yourself on Day 5 report.

[paulsf]

Jasper, he's just getting warmed up