Next Year Somewhere New

[firecat69]

Back home and planning a trip for next year.  First 1/2 of year will be probably mostly Tourist stuff.

 

Back to Cape Town which is my favorite place in the world ( no idea about Boys) and then Stockholm, Kracow, Copenhagen and Brussels. Might fit in some boys in Kracow and Brussels.

 

2nd half of year will be back to Asia.

 

I plan on starting in Bali, Seminyak in particular. Excited with conversations with boys on Jack'd , Hornet and Romeo.

 

English is very good with many of the boys and I look forward to having a real conversation after Sex.

 

Prices are similar or a little less. Will probably spend a lot more on place to stay because I want to stay in Villa with private pool which are very popular in Bali.  Probably about 2 weeks.

 

 

Appear to be some good Gay Bars with GoGo Boys and Drag shows. Drink prices are reasonable.

 

Anyone have any experience!

 

Photos are 4 boys I have had conversations with. They all have real jobs but look to make extra . Much more interesting conversations then I can have with most Thai boys.

 

 

After that it will be back to Thailand for a couple of weeks.

 

Always fun to plan a completely new place even if it is 11 months away.

[Manly69]

Hi Firecat                                             

I was in Bali earlier this year,Seminyak is the best place to stay,villas with private pools are plentiful across all price ranges.             Food and drinks are very cheap,there is 3 bars all next to each other they have drag shows go go boys but no nudity ,also a couple of massage places,but i found it best to get massage boys from the apps you mentioned as they will come to you.                                                                                                 At the beach you can have food and drinks brought to your sun chair,massage boys are available at the beach also. The majority of boys have very good english,there is also gay owned and run villas with houseboys where you can just rent a room but you have full use of the villa and pool, google gay bali villas,they are very close to the gay bars.,There is a clothing optional resort called Spartacvs yes its spelt with a v.                                                                                                                                                     There are a few gay tour guides with cars who will take you to see the sights,you can find them on the apps also.                             I am going there again for the month of February starting off in Seminyak then to Ubud then to Lovina beach then back to Seminyak.                                                                                                                                                                                                 I have not yet been to LOS so i can't compare it to Bali,but i think you will find it similar but on a smaller scale. Beers in the bars are around $2.50/3.00 AUD.                                                                                                                                                                       To get an idea of where the bars are and where it is you want to stay google the Fave hotel or the Harris Hotel both in Seminyak and both less than 5 mins walk to the bars,just check those 2 out and see the location via the maps,Harris hotel is only 12 months old clean and cheap if you don't want a villa for the entire time..

[firecat69]

Thanks for the info.  Could care less about Nudity in Bars so that's ok.  Prices appear to be reasonable.

 

Did you pay boys in AUD or local currency.  Have you been to MSpa which sounds and looks nice?

 

Couple of boys asked me how much in US$.  They seemed to be fine with $30-40 short time and $50-70 all night. Is that about what you have found?

[NIrishGuy]

In Bali 300 Rupiah ( 300,000 actually i.e. about £15 stg ) is about the norm and there doesn't seem to be too much difference between long and short time, if short time that's fine and the guys will naturally just head off after you're done, whereas long time the guy genuinely is happy to stay around, not just for the money but for where you're maybe taking him the next day for lunch or a trip or whatever ( so he can put it on Facebook and impressive his friends that he's out with a Boule ( (white guy / farang to them).

 

Of course you can give a little more if you feel like it and it'll be gratefully received but in my experience it will almost never asked for nor expected as Bali is a LOT less money driven than Pattaya and in fact I could count the number of times I felt gently required to pay out when in Bali on one hand and I was there for nearly a month ( and I was busy the whole time :-).

 

And before anyone moans about "oh that's not right etc" trust me if it was called for or expected I would be the first to pay out but Bali IS different and the guys there are on the whole out for drinks and a laugh and some company and yes many a little help them along with the rent money ( MAYBE), but that is a bonus and taken as a genuine help thing rather than the cold hard "ok we're done, you pay now mister, plus I'll come back at you with another attempt at some guilt ridden scam too" attitude that you may get when you're done in Pattaya and for those that think I'm wrong I had the same guys coming back time and time again for the "pleasure" of my company and many who are still Facebook friends etc today so if I got it wrong they certainly didn't seem to think so.

 

I went to Bali for a month and came home with ( quite a lot ) of spending money left over - that NEVER happens in Thailand and I spend more ( bored) in my one last week in Pattaya than I did in almost three weeks in Bali - and trust me I was out eating, drinking (and the rest_ a LOT the whole time I was in Bali.

 

NB I should add that the above " all for fun" excludes the simple grindr type short time " ok come now"  deal where things are clear cut between you both at the time of hook up, but trust me the 300 rupiah is correct and those asking more, tell them to "do one" as they say these days, but also you'll find a lot of the grindr guys DO just want to cum free anyway ( in both ways) for the reasons already listed or that they just want to fuck with a white guy ! ( thank you Jesus !!) 

 

Oh the dancers in the various bars etc may ask for 1 million rupiah ( about £50 stg) to go and like everything thats all negotiable too of course.

 

Enjoy.

[firecat69]

Thanks Irish.  When they asked how much in $US, I just translated baht to dollars and thus 1000 baht = $30US and that is where I went.  I was just trying to get a feel for the market.  I did have one Muscle Guy ask for 2 Million Rup and I just told him Good Luck and erased him from memory. hehe

 

I am looking forward to the differences which I sensed just like you. I think it may be that they are comfortable in English and thus relaxed having a conversation.

 

Anyways any suggestions you have will be greatly appreciated as I look forward to something new.

[NIrishGuy]

Again without sounding mean I would suggest NOT going with the same wallet out automatically attitude as one MUST have in Pattaya as it's just not required, as I've said the guys are genuinely more up for a good time overall and not just about getting the last rupiah out of you.  Needless to say pay for all ancillary items like food and drinks etc of course and pay for their mates too - and not because you have to but just because it's the nice thing to do and unlike in Pattaya where you get zero appreciation for that as it's "expected" the guys in bali will think well of you and you'll be well received and remembered for it - and in my experience the second your done with your shag de jour the same mates that he was out with will be approaching you to "try you out" too - but not for money but for fun :-)

 

One thing ( perhaps not so unlike Pattaya) Bali is a small place and the local gay scene is small and the guys DO gossip and bitch about each other and even more than Pattaya their reputations are everything to them so be careful not to bad mouth anyone or they'll soon find out from whence it came !

 

But the gossiping does tend to be about themselves not us and even if it IS about us that doesn't tend to lessen their interest as long as you're not perceived as a bad or a mean guy as I know I ended up with a bit of rep as ( there's no polite way of saying it) a bit of a slut lol and I can assure you that reputation didn't lessen the guys interest in me in ANY way, in fact it may well have increased their interest as the guys knew they could have a good time with me both in and out of bed and there would be no gossiping or comeback from me and even though they all knew I was banging their friends they still wanted to "try the white guy so THEY could say they were too" .......god that sounds very arrogant and I don't mean it to, but it was just what happened and I'm not suggesting it was anything to do with "me" personally as I'm sure ( I KNOW) it's the same for every other boule who goes there who plays the game.  

 

So my main advice, go, but don't think you're in Pattaya nor treat the guys / situations like as if you were that as it's just not necessary and the guys react better if their not treated like money boys ( as most are not in the same sense on Pattaya ! ) and if you do that you'll have a ball - and if you use gay Apps etc you phone will ping NON STOP for the duration of your entire trip of that I assure you ! :-) 

 

Oh and if you meet a nice guy you click with and are happy to spend some time with and want a quality day relaxing take him to "Potato head"  - he'll love it / appreciate it and will post being there on Facebook no doubt and you can lie back and enjoy it too ( even though it is overpriced compared to the rest of the island)  - but still damned cheap for what it is.

[Manly69]

Yes Firecat your about right with your pricing.

NirishGuy is spot on with his comments,puts my reply to shame lol.

I had quite a few guys from the apps that required no money at all,even though i would have given if required,although i don't look my age according to the boys and am in decent shape and a few repeats of which all was required was a lunch or a dinner and some drinks and that wouldn't even total short time cost,of course you could spend more but you would be living the high life.

 

Like i said prior i can't compare to LOS but i don't think Bali will disappoint going on from what i read on here,the boys are genuinely friendly and its not all about how much they can lighten your wallet.

 

I am in final stages of of confirming my Feb trip,i will be with 2 friends hence we can split the cost which enables us to stay in very nice villas and i will be practising my trip report writing skills as Im a bit of a newbie still at this site.

But i will endeavour to do my best and fill you all in on my trip,even though it is still 4 months away.

[firecat69]

I can't wait to read your trip reports.  My trip will be a long 11 months from now but I am excited about a new destination.

[NIrishGuy]

If anyone is stuck for accommodation suggestions I have a contact in seminyak who works privately for the Australian owners of a few select villas in the town and he can offer good prices on them and take good care of you whilst there ( I mean re collecting you from the airport and tours etc etc .... the rest, well that's up to you both I guess lol).

 

I that's of interest PM me and I'll forward you his email address and you can take it from there.

 

Needless to say I'm in no way involved with this apart from passing on his details and verifying he's a nice guy and dependable etc.

[vinapu]

Bali is as close to the tropical paradise of popular imagination as possible but  I personally  hate Kuta / Seminyak which are nothing else than tourist trap full of drunken farangs and enterprising locals out to  shortchange you at every turn. I'm no fan of Pattaya but  in comparison Kuta is shithole. At least this was my impression and best I did was to move inland to Ubud.

 

No beach there but atmosphere is more relaxing and sightseeing better. 

 

Some sights in Bali are truly breathtaking and cliff-side temples of Ulu Watu or Tanah Lot are unforgettable sight along with lakeside Danu Bratan temple.

 

I also recommend hop to Jawa to see Borobudur and Prambanan temples near Yogyakarta, can be done in a day but 2 days hop is better option. east with Air Asia cheap flights.

 

Can't say much about boys since only gay thing I did in Bali was turning head when come cutie was passing by but I'd  trust to what Nirish says above. Gay bars in Seminyak are close to each other and are coming to life very late. Street trade in vicinity easy to spot.

 

In short - go and enjoy but fuck Kuta

[witty]

vinapu,

 

how was the massage scene in Bali?

[williewillie]

I've heard the bar scene starts very at night and doesn't get going until after midnight. Vinapu's comments lead me to believe my

preconceptions of Bali as a tacky resort area full of loud drunken Aussies. Of course if you just replace the word Aussies with farangs,

it could be Pattaya.

I'm curious as to why vinapu didn't partake of the available lads as his reports prove he's no shrinking violet and a very horny dude .

 

I don't know NIrish taste in boys and wonder if there are masculine guys over 55 kilos available or if it's more slim twinks.

[NIrishGuy]

Nightlife wise I agree re Kura. Scenery wise I agree re getting out and about and guy wise there's definitely something and someone for all tastes.

[firecat69]

Vinapu I am confused. In one sentence you lump Kuta and Seminyak together and in the last sentence you say "Fuck Kuta"

 

I would guess since there was not  a scene with a massage parlor on every corner , it was not a favorite destination for you.

 

Since Irish says he has far more money left in his pocket after a visit to Seminyak then does in Pattaya that flies in the face of your comment that everyone is out to fleece you.

 

Also there are respected posters on other Forums who have the same experiences as Irish in that the boys are not driven by Money in the way that Thai boys are.  

 

That has been my perception from some conversations I have had but there are also some boys who do mention money.

 

Willie although in Thailand I am rarely out after midnight it appears that you are right , that it does start later then Thailand.

 

I certainly do not like Drunks but I have a feeling that Drunkin Aussies are far better then Drunk Arabs, Russians and Chinese. Just a thought.

 

Frankly I have seen enough Temples for a lifetime all over Asia and have little interest. I am quite sure the beaches in Seminyak are far better then Pattaya and from what I read equal to some of the better beaches in Thailand that in most cases have no boys.

 

Since Social Media seems to be very popular, I am quite sure the late night Bars will not be the only places to find willing boys.

 

Vinapu's description of locals looking to short change or cheat you certainly applies to Phuket, BKK in tourist areas such as the Palace etc.

 

If you do your planning and talk to people who have been there you minimize the chance of you being taken advantage of.

 

At any rate I am hopeful more members who have been there will chime in with their experiences??

[anddy]

Kuta and Seminyak are not the same, but they are the same. Means they are distinct separate areas but the blend into each other so when you drive from one to the other you will not notice any change. Actually, there are 5 areas, stretching north from the airport in this order: Jimbaran, Kuta, Legian, Seminyak, Kerobokan. Often, the area as a whole is referred to as "Kuta" which is not really correct. Personally I find Seminyak more relaxed and laid back than Kuta-proper, with less drunken Aussie kids and in general more classy. Besides, it's where the gay scene is. There is another gay area in Kerobokan (around Jl. Batu Belig), with bars, massages, gay-only accomodation. THE gay street in Seminyak is Jl. Camplung Tanduk, which is it the street's new-ish official name (also used by google maps), but nobody calls it that but refers to it by its old name Jl Dhyana Pura. "Jl." stands for Jalan which means street or road in Indonesian. 

 

For massages, I'd say just see the listings in travelgayasia.com to get an overview. I can't really comment, as I haven't had that many there. Boys without any financial interest and who are just into white guys are indeed readily available on planetromeo, which is what I exclusively used in the past as I didn't have the other apps yet. But I am absolutely certain, the other apps will work just as well. Your success rate will of course depend on your looks and their tastes. Since some members here have referred to themselves as "old, fat and ugly farangs" I can't tell you how attractive that might be to the locals. There is of course the escort section in Romeo, too. I don't know if there are many MBs using "normal" profiles as seems common in Pattaya, so try both.

 

I don't agree with vinapu on the general rip-off perception. Yes, it is a touristy area and some prices might just be inflated for that very reason and some people may try to rip you off, but I never had the impression people in general are singlemindedly out to "fleece tourists". If you make a good target (read: being clueless and inexperienced) you'll get ripped off anywhere, if you are a savvy traveller using your wits (like many/most members here), you won't. 

 

Jimbaran by the way is famous for its seafood restaurants right on the beach.

[firecat69]

I rarely look in the Escort section in Asia, just go to regular profiles. My interest was peaked by the many boys especially on Hornet and to a lesser extent Jack'd. Response is good and conversation easy because of their abilities in English.

 

I found responses at Romeo much slower then Hornet and Jack'd because boys only seem to check in every 2 or 3 days..

 

Reviews of Gay Bars are extremely positive even on non -gay sites.

 

Does not appear to be much not to like and comments from Irish and A447 on other sites leads me to believe  it is a good destination.

 

For Willie there appears to be many muscular boys available on the same site.

[vinapu]

vinapu,

 

how was the massage scene in Bali?

as I said above, I did not do neither looked to do anything gay in Bali so can't comment.

 

But almost felled in love with hunky flight attendant on Denspasar- Yogyakarta flight who noticed my interest and smiled knowingly. But it was only 1 hour of viewing pleasure.

[vinapu]

Bali as a tacky resort area full of loud drunken Aussies. Of course if you just replace the word Aussies with farangs,

it could be Pattaya.

I'm curious as to why vinapu didn't partake of the available lads as his reports prove he's no shrinking violet and a very horny dude .

 

 

Bali no, but Kuta and environs absolutely yes - in my opinion  both Pattaya natives and  farangs are behaving in comparizon.

 

Hence my advise - go to Ubud inland. Bali is absolutely enchanting place but even most beautiful man needs to take shit from time to time - that's Kuta IMHO  

 

Bali was my side trip from Thailand and I decided to be just a tourist leaving whoring part to return. I think I just like Thai scene better. Most gay life is in Kuta /  Seminyak area which I positively was not impressed with and was looking to leave ASAP and in Ubud I was occupied with sightseeing.

 

I'm not horny , I just like company of well built men, specially when they are showing  they like my company too. LOL 

[firecat69]

Well since this site is mostly about whoring , you really don't have anything to add in that regards to Bali.  HeHe

[williewillie]

Vinapu I am confused. In one sentence you lump Kuta and Seminyak together and in the last sentence you say "Fuck Kuta"

 

I would guess since there was not  a scene with a massage parlor on every corner , it was not a favorite destination for you.

 

Since Irish says he has far more money left in his pocket after a visit to Seminyak then does in Pattaya that flies in the face of your comment that everyone is out to fleece you.

 

Also there are respected posters on other Forums who have the same experiences as Irish in that the boys are not driven by Money in the way that Thai boys are.  

 

That has been my perception from some conversations I have had but there are also some boys who do mention money.

 

Willie although in Thailand I am rarely out after midnight it appears that you are right , that it does start later then Thailand.

 

I certainly do not like Drunks but I have a feeling that Drunkin Aussies are far better then Drunk Arabs, Russians and Chinese. Just a thought.

 

 

I've never seen a drunk Arab in Pattaya or elsewhere. And no drunk Chinese either but drunk Russians, for sure,

although far rarer than in years past. Still, a drunk Arab, I don't think so.

[firecat69]

Well I forget some street names but the large Hotel on the corner of Pattaya 2 and the Road that leads to Sunee?  If the Arabs were not drunk they sure acted like it. Maybe VC Hotel .

 

I dealt with all that Muslim BS in LasVegas when I worked there. Don't allow Nudes and Booze etc.  Then I watched as they bought every Nude they could from the Art Galleries and  purchased all the fancy Booze they could and then had it delivered to their private jets for flights back to their countries where Customs did not inspect their goods on Private Jets.

 

Oh and of course they don't have Gay Sex!  Right!!

[firecat69]

As far as availability of non twinks.  Here are photos of a boy on Hornet who seems very willing and I believe would satisfy Willie and Vinapu at least in the looks department. There are many more so as Irish said plenty of choices for everyone>

[fedssocr]

Bali has lots of interesting sights, but traffic is heavy so it takes a while to get around. Seminyak is pretty crowded. Ubud was a bit more laid back. I enjoyed Yogyakarta as well...it's the education center of Indonesia so lots of cute university boys around.

 

I was a bit disappointed by the boys in Bali. The bars in Seminyak are VERY LOUD. I didn't stay long the night I ventured out to them. There's a massage shop upstairs from the bars and I was propositioned frequently walking down the street by some queeny guys working there every time I went past. Anyone who is a size queen is likely to be very disappointed. I had a massage at one of the massage places and the guy I got had the tiniest little penis I have ever seen.

 

The moneyboy I met on Jack'd (I think) was somewhat tiresome. At first I wasn't sure he was a moneyboy until we got back to my hotel and then he suddenly became "shy" and started asking how much I was going to give him. Met another guy on one of the apps who was very pushy before I blocked him. 

 

It all just seemed like too much work compared to Thailand. Plenty of handsome guys around though. And some really amazing scenery.

[ChristianPFC]

Reports about my trip to Bali in August:

http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2015/08/gay-activities-in-indonesia-aug-2015.html

http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2015/08/gay-saunas-in-bali-august-2015.html

http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2015/08/indonesia-general-impressions-bali.html

 

In short: saunas in Bali are fine, I used hornet successfully, didn't investigate gay massage, bars are horrible. Cute boys around and some moneyboys on hornet (two I remember, but I was not looking for money boys but these two offered their services, hence I know). Along Legian Street (where I stayed) in Kuta, traffic even worse than Pattaya. Rest of Bali similar poor traffic (slow due to mountains and one lane roads).

[NIrishGuy]

Re Christians "in short" I would just add that that is obviously "his" in short and I wouldn't concur with his "the bars are horrible" view etc, but I guess it all depends whether you're going to a bar to be social and sociable and to meet new people and have a laugh and a good night out or just attending the bar to further am aim of picking up a guy to meet your ( strict) criteria and then go back to your room - which I'm not knocking, each to their own and all that but there's lots of ( genuine non sexual ) fun to be had in the ( few) gay bars in Bali IF that's what you go out to go into bars for.