ChristianPFC

Some days ago, the outside refurbishment of Screwboys was finished. Through a gap between door and hinge (on purpose, not due to sloppy building) I could see that work inside has not finished yet. I asked a lady from a nearby bar, Screwboys will open next month and it will stay a boy bar. On the same night, I went to Super A and this time even went in (I am very hesitant to part with my hard earned money and often take a look and decide against entering the bar if there is something I don't like, which could be loud music, smoking customer, poor light), sat down and ordered an orange juice. Helas, they didn't have orange juice! By the time they communicated their extensive drink menu (beer, soda, coke), I had seen enough (despite the very poor lighting): none of the six boys present was my type, but I appreciate the fact that they all wear underwear of their choice, so no complaints about the underwear. I might be back when they have orange juice. This reminds of a similar case (don't remember which bar), where my first AND my second choice of drink was not available, I finally settled for water. This reminds me of something I read somewhere: cash flow in a bar was so low, the customer had to pay upfront and someone from the staff had to go the closest 7-11 (or other market) to buy the drink.

Internet shop might work in Sathorn (when walking past, I can see gayromeo open), but not here. Everyone is playing online games or facebook, and they are absorbed in it. No way to chat someone up. An anecdote: I am often looking at pictures that could be called pornography (gayromeo, bangkokbois), and one day I had a about five-year old sitting next to me, he looked at me reproachfully, and then continued playing a war game with a lot of blood, explosions, knives and guns. Could you give a link to the opening in Bangkok Post, couldn't find it. My OP ist is not about lack of money, I just thought it would be much easier to hook up locally if you live and work in Thailand. I earn enough to enjoy my time here, but with unforseen (stolen passport) or one-time (new laptop) expenses everything is spent. Others would be happy to be in such a position!

I spend about one weekend per month in Pattaya. If everything goes alright, it turns out cheaper than going to Bangkok bars. Even if it costst the same (including travel and hotel), it feels cheaper. It's more compact (Baht bus 10 Baht from Central Pattaya to Jomtien where I stay or anywhere else, compared to 160 Baht and at least 20 minutes from Silom to my place). Living close to my workplace has priority. I can walk in 15 minutes from my room to work. That saves a lot of time and money compared to people who have to commute, and there is no traffic (and therefore no traffic jam) on my way to work. Just compare: I go to work and back five days per week, but I go out only on the weekend, and then to different places, so living more central would cost more rent and time and money for commuting. My current work situation does not satisfy me. It serves to get a foot into Thailand, but I will have to look for something else to move on. Apart from that, I am satisfied with my move to Thailand.

(Posted on gaybuttonthai and SGT as well, but I recently learned that several members here rarely read other forums, so I will share here as well.) Living and working in Bangkok: 3 months Now I have been living and working in Bangkok for 3 months, and here is a report about my current situation. ChristianPFC is fit for tropics. I could live and work in Thailand permanently. (Some people on the forums say that holiday is fine for them, but they cannot imagine living here.) After previous stays in England and France, I was prepared for a third world country, and I can cope with tropical weather as well. I can walk 15 minutes in the full sun without excessive sweating. If I can get in aircon after these 15 minutes, I will be fine. However if I have to climb the stairs to fifth floor (my room), I will sweat significantly. But I prefer too hot to too cold. By moving to Thailand, I have achieved some of my aims in life: 1. I can wear flip-flops most of the time outside or no shoes at all in my room, I only have to wear closed shoes for work and when I go to immigration/embassy/... No more socks, no more laces, no more bending down to put shoes on and take them off. Wonderful! 2. Never be cold again (in the sense of winter in Europe). Here it is warm (often too warm), or cold in the sense of fresh (aircon). 3. Can eat mangosteen, tom kha gai and other Thai food and fruit every time I want (but on the downside, cheese and chocolate from Europe is very expensive). 4. Sex is available any time and at reasonable prices. But I still have not been able to have someone come to my place in time. I didn't have good sex for a while, and now I am hesitating to spend money in Bangkok bars (that would be drink up to 300 Baht, off fee 500, tip 1500, then taxi to my place 20 minutes and 150 Baht, the boy might be reticent to go that far and/or ask for another 150 Baht for taxi back, simply too much if it starts with expecting poor sex for a lot of money). I have to wait until I'm in a better mood. 5. I don't have to pay TV license. In Germany it's in the range of 800 Baht per month, and nowadays it's a "media fee" that every household has to pay, even if you don't have a TV or computer or radio (except if you are blind and deaf, then you are exempt). I mainly eat Thai food, about 90%. Once or twice a week, I treat myself to Italian food or expensive Thai seafood or have some cake. I now need 3 meals per day, when I came for holiday 2 or sometimes even just 1 was enough (plus some snacks). Unfortunately, I have to take most meals alone. In France, we went eating in a group and had many interesting conversations during lunch, which I miss very much. In addition, the pizza with goat cheese and the salmon were to die for. I lost a few kg (I was slim before, now even more) and now all my trousers are too wide, so I had to buy a belt. My physical condition is excellent, I reached or excelled results from 12 years ago. The only problem is that there is no place where I can run for 2 hours or more to prepare for possible participation in the Pattaya Marathon. I now use aircon (25 degree Celsius) every night. Last month I experimented with fan, I can sleep with fan, but why suffer at 30 C or more when I can have aircon every night for about 800 Baht per month. My room heats up during day, when I come home it's 33 C inside, and even after hours of using fan, inside still 32 C and outside 30 C or less. My Thai improved slightly. Still serious problems with listening and understanding spoken Thai, especially on the phone or with background noises. But I can sometimes get the gist, and I guess it will take just some more months until I get useful information by listening to Thai people talking about me assuming I don't understand what they are saying. Thai people in my area are friendly, I sometimes get an invitation for drinking or eating. They have genuine interest in me, are happy that I can speak Thai. Unfortunately, there is a mismatch: those interested in me are either too old, too young, not my type or female. Those I have a sexual interest in show low interest in me, often totally ignoring me. However considering that there are more then 10 who I would like to invite to my room, and some of them live in the slum (no work, no money), there must be one or two who would be happy to go with me for a few hundred Baht, but I don't know who and how to approach the matter! It's like opening an oyster, you need one point where you start. Some cute boys play basketball, so I can't talk to them while they are playing. After the match, they go home for showering and don't come back. (If there was group showering after the match, I would overcome my aversion to ball games.) When we exchange a few words, there is no subject that I can use to invite them to my room. Except for one, who asked me if I wank and how big my cock is! Unfortunately he is not my type, otherwise I would invite him for a demonstration. I finally get some calls per week from boys who would like to meet me (for sex for money). I always envied those who complained that they constantly get calls, because I rarely got one when I was in Thailand for holiday. Unfortunately, there is a mismatch: either I am not free or he is not free or traveling would take too long or he is not so much my type that I would like to see him again. My sex life is going down. Contrary to my expectations, more prostitutes (now over 80%, when I came here on holiday it was 50%), and the last good sex has been a while ago. My idea was to meet two or three boys per week from gayromeo or camfrog or from real life for free or cheap, find a boyfriend or move on or stay fuckbuddy. Complete failure. I still haven't managed to get a single boy from my area in my room (to study English and Thai, and then probe if more is possible), can't use camfrog (no own computer, no webcam in internet cafe, no pro version) and results on gayromeo are disappointing. I calculate my chances of ever finding a boyfriend very low (details in a separate topic). Whole series of events go wrong. Last weekend in Pattaya may serve as an example. Friday night was ok (I offed a waiter, so I could not be sure that there are no tattoos and no body hair, back in my room his body was exactly as I like it, but he did not show any activity in bed). For Saturday I had planned to meet one boy during day and one at night (both barboys I know from previous trips). One was away during day and one was not available. At night, I went to the boy's bar, he was there, taking part in contest, so I could not off him. I waited till after 1am when he left the bar, but he had other commitments. Other bars were closed already, so I called another boy. He did not pick up, but why I was holding my phone I heard someone call my name. It was another acquaintance I would love to get in bed with again. While I was chatting with him, the boy I called minutes before called back (vibration, I did not pick up). After some chat (and a lot of drama, this boy has by far the highest drama to sex ratio of all my Thai friends) I realize his plans for the night do not include me. Actually, I think he does not intend to go with me again and is just teasing me and looking for drama. This has been going on for half a year (drama and teasing) in real life, on phone and on skype. I should move on. I tried my best: He: "When do you go back to Bangkok tomorrow?" I: "Up to you!", He: "No, I mean when do you leave Pattaya?", I: "We can leave whenever you want.". But he wanted to go to disco with his ladyboy friends from Obsession bar. Nothing for me (too late, too loud, and they would probably present me all the bills, I would still have to go to bed alone, anyway I wasn't invited - I have fallen that low, I am not even invited to pay the bills!) A stroll through Sunee (about 2 am) shows very little remaining activity. But then I walk past New Sawatdee Boys which is still open and that looked promising earlier that evening (but I prefer gogo bars where I can see the boys in underwear, I rarely go to beer bars). So I went in and a boy sat next to me. I could not find any fault with him in the bar and he caught me in a moment of emotional weakness, so I offed him. Back in my room, hugging, cuddling, kissing, affection exactly as I like it, but seen in light not so much my type. He called me a few times, now I have to prepare him that we will not meet for sex for money again. At New Sawatdee Boys, there is no way I can escape him because I walk past every time I am in Sunee. Fortunately, he will go back to his home province in four weeks so time will solve this problem (a boy who is everything I want, but not my type!). So I won't be lumbered with him for long. That might be a consolation to others. Getting laid in Thailand is not only about age and looks, even speaking Thai does not improve my current situation, neither does living and working here. It's more about attitude and how much money you are willing to spend. A friend of mine goes to Hua Lampong railway station and kind of says: "You, you and you, want to come with me? Free beer, cigarettes, food, 300 Baht for sex." Two of them say yes, one says no, and 15 minutes later he is in his room with them. Others go to Soi Twilight, Boyztown or Sunee or gay discos, and for a few thousand Baht they spend the night surrounded by Thai boys who tell them they love them and want to become their boyfriend. Both cases are not my style, I make elaborate plans that fail most of the time. I have a lot to catch up regarding electronics. Not having an own computer is cumbersome (use internet at work or in internet cafe), I will buy one soon. (Update: finally bought a laptop, now I just need internet.) In addition, I will need a new mobile phone, that will be quite a jump from my current one which is from around 2005. Then I will be able to use GPS and googlemaps and access internet from my phone and will try out grindr and similar applications and read and send SMS in Thai. Actually, I would rather study Thai with local boys (really, not just as a pretext!) and have sex with some of them then being in the internet two hours a day or more. Work is so-so (that's optimistic, work-wise I have quite a low as well, but I won't bore you with details). Expenses are higher than expected, I spend about 30,000 Baht per month (detailed expenses will follow in a separate post), and that is without saving for retirement or health insurance (I have health insurance from my employer, I don't know how much this covers). Add one-time expenses (my lost passport will cost about 10,000 Baht, I will buy a computer soon), and I spend all money. For flights back to Germany, I will have to use money I saved when I was working in Europe. Summary: my main objective for my relocation to Thailand was to have sex regularly, for free or cheap (definitely not Soi Twilight prices) and maybe even find a boyfriend. So far, complete failure in all aspects.

The demise of John Booth (LMTU) is a great loss. I count myself lucky that I had the chance to meet him on several occasions in Bangkok and Pattaya. I agree with: “Call me controversial, but never call me boring” (his signature on another forum). I remember his post (on this board ?) about the suicide in Pattaya, just some months ago: "may his sole rest in peace". May his soul rest in peace!

That is similar to my experience in a gogo bar (X-Size about 3 weeks ago). I mentioned to the waiter/mamasan that the music is too loud. He replied "it's always like this". I am fed up with this, so next time I am asked "Do you want boy?" in a bar where the music is too loud, I will reply "sorry, I can't hear you, can you lower the music" until they give up, get the joke or lower the music. I can eclipse that. Long time ago, but I still vividly remember, I had dinner with my parents in an expensive restaurant. I had coke, which was brought in a glass with ice and a slice of lemon. After midnight, only few guests were left, I ordered another one and the waiter came with the bottle and poured the coke over my shoulder into the empty glass standing on the table (the glass, not the waiter).

I am sorry I cannot join your discussion, as I have different prefences. Everything that qualfies as cock (i.e. is no pussy) is fine for me. No hair on scrotum and perineum is more important to me than cock size. That does not mean that it's insignificant. But everything between 4 and 7 inches, I would have difficulty to recollect.

That's quite quick, just one day open, and such eulogies. I don't go to bars to drink (I can do so at home, with drinks bought from 7/11, much cheaper), I don't go there for the interior decoration, I go in order to off someone to take back to my room.

correction: whether

I have not seen it and was not even aware of it. My interest in ladyboys is zero.

I was at X-Boys yesterday, didn't know about the competition they had on that evening, in which the boy I wanted took part in, could not be offed and had already other committments for after work. Bummer! There was another boy with a gorgeous body I have never see before, I now know his name (Bank) he does not work at X-Boys, but I don't know where he works. Bummer! I would have taken him if I had known that the other boy is not available. I was sitting outside (without going in and buying a drink) and waiting for the situation to clear up, weather I could off the boy or not. The owner was present, and another customer pointed him out to me and we talked about the rumor, as far as I understood there are plans to build a hotel there, but no specific date and not date for closure of X-Boys.

http://gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5642 http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/christianpfc-first-songkran-t28683.html I found one positive thing about Songkran: there is very little smoking. Should I ever participate again in Songkran, and should this be active (this year I only received water and powder), I will aim at smokers and try to douse/dowse their cigarettes.

Two statistics are missing: how long they stay and how much they spend. A statistic how much a tourist from a country spends per day, how long they stay and how much all tourists from that country spend together would be very interesting. There is a large difference between a Malaysian who hops over the border for a day or a European/Australian/North American who comes for a two or three week holiday.

Sorry, no nude pics (only shirtless) on gayromeo.

My extensive report is on gaybuttonthai and SGT. It didn't run so well (no spoilers, you have to read for yourself), to put it mildly.

I, on the other hand, read this thread with great interest as it highlights some changes I have missed.

Of course I have several clear facepics.

I had a look into Heartbeat a few days ago, there were three guys on stage in their trousers, so I told the staff that I prefer all of the boys in underwear. I did not have intention to spend more time there on that day, but at least they have something to think about. (I will repeat this with loud music and smoking in various bars.) On the same night, in Soi Twilight, Banana Bar, a boy asked me if I remember him from Screwboys. I didn't, but I asked him when it will reopen: 25. or 26. of April.

This topic has been discussed on SGT a while ago. I remember the issue from donating blood in German up to year 2006. The question (from memory, my translation) was if you had sex with another man (or women in case you are female). I could honestly answer with "no". I was gay, but deep in the closet, so I did not have sex with other men despite my homosexuality.

I had a similar exchange with a Thai who did not have a clear facepic. I politely asked for a clear facepic and he became hostile and we exchanged a few messages similar to yours. I can generalize my experiences: No facepic: I usually don't answer, and if I answer I will ask for a facepic. No email, no link to other websites, just a facepic! Unclear facepic: After two disappointments this year, I rather skip these profiles.

On my last trip to Chiang Mai (September last year?) I visited Adam's Apple and made a mental note "go again next time". There were 3 boys who were my type, which is above average. I offed one of them and was satisfied.

Once I accepted the fact that most men are attracted to women, I have no problem to understand that there are young Asians who are attracted to old Farang, even if I don't share either of these attractions.

After reading the review I have to admit some points are true (have to cross the road to get a taxi, scammers at arrvivals). So far, I found my way in all airports, and as a non-frequent flyer it doesn't make much difference. I think people who compare airports and post on threads like this have nothing else to do. I don't chose the airport I'm going to by a rating! Similar to exchange rates and the weather, why talk about it if this doesn't change it?

Everytime I am away for a few days (Songkran in this case, see complete report on SGT or gaybuttonthai), I miss something interesting (that thread on SGT, now removed). Fountainhall, you can count yourself lucky, I don't remember when was the last time a handsome men smiled at me and we exchanged phone numbers and met! But I have plenty of children, older men and women who are interested in chatting with my in my area. Now serious: I have been in a similar situation with the Vietnamese boy I offed from Fresh Boys (?) half a year ago. He wanted 2000 Baht and refused to move. I finally got him out of my hotel room for 1600. The difference was that I was taller, heavier and probably stronger than him, so could have moved him out with force. And there was the Cambodian moneyboy whom I met at the parking area of the Malaysia hotel and took to my place (Soi Sri Bam Pen in Jan-Feb 2011). That was clearly my mistake to assume that he goes with me for free, I offered 500 and he finally left with 600, after refusing to move. About watching your back: if he is in the business he must know what the going rate is and if you give him some money (I would have given 1000 Baht, that already includes taxi to whereever he lives, actually there is an aircon bus from Silom to Rangsit for 20 Baht and a normal bus from Hua Lampong for 6,50 Baht) he will probably quickly forget the incident.

I hope this is a rumor. But I wonder: Can't they build their damn hotels somewhere else? Does it have to be Howard's guesthouse, entire Sunee (so far only rumors or April jokes) and now X-Boys Pattaya? On the subject of closed bars: I walked past Screwboys some days ago and there was evidence of construction work going on.